It's the same as them playing out the regular season and them battling for their playoff spot and missing. It's the system should probably be more skewed toward bad teams because every year we've had this lotto system a lot of teams have moved up. But you can blame Pegula for throwing multiple seasons in a row to get first overall.

Young players basically having ~9 month layoff from playing is a huge blow to everybody.
- Pomegrant

Only 7 teams are on a 9 month layoff though. And if it was just the same as finishing the season out why didn't 7 teams get to do it? I understand why they structured it the way they did and brought 24 teams, I don't understand why those 8 teams that made the "not the playoffs" had a shot at any of the top 3. They should have limited in how many spots they could move up.

Only 7 teams are on a 9 month layoff though. And if it was just the same as finishing the season out why didn't 7 teams get to do it? I understand why they structured it the way they did and brought 24 teams, I don't understand why those 8 teams that made the "not the playoffs" had a shot at any of the top 3. They should have limited in how many spots they could move up.
- rmdevil313

the draft pick went to the 12th worst team, so what else are they going to do? They need a way to simulate the end of the season but the way the draft odds are calculated somebody has a chance of getting it. The play-in rounds weren't an actual playoff anyway.

Prospects on the other teams are on layoffs too and some teams came back to play ~6 games. I wouldn't say they have a huge competitive advantage when most of the juniors/AHL players also didn't get to play.

the draft pick went to the 12th worst team, so what else are they going to do? They need a way to simulate the end of the season but the way the draft odds are calculated somebody has a chance of getting it. The play-in rounds weren't an actual playoff anyway.

Prospects on the other teams are on layoffs too and some teams came back to play ~6 games. I wouldn't say they have a huge competitive advantage when most of the juniors/AHL players also didn't get to play.
- Pomegrant

It was expanded playoffs until the potential lottery teams objected and it became play in. It was pretty much semantics. But yes there would have been that many teams in the lottery normally. The problem is both our trade obtained draft picks were devalued by the expanded playoffs but there was no benefit (except arguably the favorable ruling on the Sami Vat pick). Whatever. It's done.

BUT my gripe is that the expanded lottery was designed to stop bad teams from tanking for the #1 draft pick. What this has turned into is the leagues way of moving premier talent onto teams that are already competitive. It's gone a bit too far in my opinion.

Anyone see the report that Melnyk wants the Sens to take Askerov with the 5OA? If that happens, who would we likely take at 7OA? I have no idea about these young guys and need someone better versed to help me. Thanks!

Anyone see the report that Melnyk wants the Sens to take Askerov with the 5OA? If that happens, who would we likely take at 7OA? I have no idea about these young guys and need someone better versed to help me. Thanks!
- Crushers68

Obviously if the Sens take Askarov it's a help because that leaves one more skater on the board. Knowing how that is going to play out is guesswork.

My guess and I really don't know:

1st - Lafreniere
2nd - Byfield
3rd - Stuetzle
4th - Raymond
5th - ASKAROV
6th - Drysdale OR Holtz OR Rossi OR Perfetti
7th - YOUR NEW JERSEY DEVILS!

Perfetti could go instead of Raymond 4th... who knows.

Bottom line is we will have a pick of a high quality prospect. Hopefully we don't Zacha or Mcleod it.

Obviously if the Sens take Askarov it's a help for us because that leaves one more skater on the board. Knowing how that is going to play out is guesswork.

My guess and I really don't know:

1st - Lafreniere
2nd - Byfield
3rd - Stuetzle
4th - Raymond
5th - ASKAROV
6th - Drysdale OR Holtz OR Rossi OR Perfetti
7th - YOUR NEW JERSEY DEVILS!

Perfetti could go instead of Raymond 4th... who knows.
- Queenie_5_hole

Thanks! Appreciate the response

Anyone see the report that Melnyk wants the Sens to take Askerov with the 5OA? If that happens, who would we likely take at 7OA? I have no idea about these young guys and need someone better versed to help me. Thanks!
- Crushers68

Have a feeling devil's will go with defender Sanderson even in drys is still there but read the ducks are high on drys

It's possible Rossi makes it to 7 which if so should be our selection

Would you guys give up the 7OA + for Sergachev if he becomes available?

Would you guys give up the 7OA + for Sergachev if he becomes available?
- Crushers68

No

No
- bikeguy99

Interesting, not sure I agree but everyone has their own opinion.

I look at it this way. If we are picking 7th in this draft and Segachev was available, would we take him over what's available? I think I would as you would not need to wait for him to develop in the minors as he is NHL ready. I see value in that. But what the hell do I know. LOL

Would you guys give up the 7OA + for Sergachev if he becomes available?
- Crushers68

I would, yes, especially if all the smoke about us wanting to take Askarov at 7 are true. But it'd be my last resort offer. I'd try my hardest to get them to take any kind of package with 18 and/or 20 involved first. But yes, i'd absolutely give up 7 for him if Tampa wouldnt take anything less. From what Friedman was saying on his podcast today, he said he expects us to be very active except for moving 7, he said that 7 is essentially completely off the table, so it'd need to be a package of something else

I would, yes. But it'd be my last resort offer. I'd try my hardest to get them to take any kind of package with 18 and/or 20 involved first. But yes, i'd absolutely give up 7 for him if Tampa wouldnt take anything less. From what Friedman was saying on his podcast today, he said he expects us to be busy except for moving 7, he said that 7 is essentially completely off the table, so it'd need to be a package of something else
- vlongo4419

I sure feel like we could put together a great package without offering the 7th overall pick. Tampa doesn't have a first rounder this year and I'd think the 18th and 20th together would be hugely attractive. I'd try to offer them the 18th, Butcher and another pick; maybe our 3rd rounder this year....

I sure feel like we could put together a great package without offering the 7th overall pick. Tampa doesn't have a first rounder this year and I'd think the 18th and 20th together would be hugely attractive. I'd try to offer them the 18th, Butcher and another pick; maybe our 3rd rounder this year....
- Queenie_5_hole

Gotcha, thanks

Interesting, not sure I agree but everyone has their own opinion.

I look at it this way. If we are picking 7th in this draft and Segachev was available, would we take him over what's available? I think I would as you would not need to wait for him to develop in the minors as he is NHL ready. I see value in that. But what the hell do I know. LOL
- Crushers68

I would want Sergachev but it to me it would involve 18th + roster player rather than giving up our best pick.

Would be nice if Fitz could make it happen. We have tons of cap and can really pay him and get term out of it. Would sure up a lot of our defensive problems.

Gotcha, thanks
- Crushers68

My guess is that Tampa will keep Sergachev and try to move out somebody else. I've heard they've talked to players with no trade or no movement clauses already. They probably want to move out McDonagh who's got 6 years left and is 31 years old.

Would you guys give up the 7OA + for Sergachev if he becomes available?
- Crushers68

Big serg guy here but I believe this team is in for the long overhaul, 6-7 years from now they’ll be competitive. So I would pass on him and try and create talent through the draft.

Interesting, not sure I agree but everyone has their own opinion.

I look at it this way. If we are picking 7th in this draft and Segachev was available, would we take him over what's available? I think I would as you would not need to wait for him to develop in the minors as he is NHL ready. I see value in that. But what the hell do I know. LOL
- Crushers68

You aren't wrong. But the 7th overall selection at this draft will likely see us with the #1 ranked Goalie, RW, and D available....... So I would rather look at that, plus 3 cheap years vs a D who is about to be paid big $$$ while developing in a sheltered role in Tampa. In this case I am happily rolling the dice. Tampa is going to be forced to trade at a loss, and in no way are we giving up our 7th pick for their current 3RD.

I'd happily give up 7th OA + Butch + Palms for Hedman tho.....

yea I'm not for trading 7th for Sergachev. I feel like Sanderson could easily be a Sergachev, who I'm not exactly sure how good he actually is. A legit #1? no. A #2? maybe. Definitely a #3, we know that.
I'd rather roll the dice with a potential top line or top pair player that will be 18 and on the ELC for a bit. We're not contending anytime soon and we NEED another young guy for the core.
If we brought in Pietrangelo.. maybe in 3 years it would be worth it, for another brief 3 years of his window. Maybe he would help our other guys improve. Maybe a legit top player/captain would be something that would make those around him better, plus dmen wouldn't have to face the top competition and develop at a better pace. This would give the top and 2nd pairs each a decent/great dman to be paired with.

Sanderson-Pietrangelo
Smith-Severson
Butcher-Subban

suddenly the defense doesn't look too terrible. It's not great, but as Sanderson and Smith develop it could be quite nice. If we don't get Sanderson, maybe give Bahl a look. We'll still likely retain Colton White, Mermis and Mueller, so they could be an option if we don't draft Sanderson. White is just 23.. so you never know.

NHL.com mock drafts have us taking holtz

yea I'm not for trading 7th for Sergachev. I feel like Sanderson could easily be a Sergachev, who I'm not exactly sure how good he actually is. A legit #1? no. A #2? maybe. Definitely a #3, we know that.
I'd rather roll the dice with a potential top line or top pair player that will be 18 and on the ELC for a bit. We're not contending anytime soon and we NEED another young guy for the core.
If we brought in Pietrangelo.. maybe in 3 years it would be worth it, for another brief 3 years of his window. Maybe he would help our other guys improve. Maybe a legit top player/captain would be something that would make those around him better, plus dmen wouldn't have to face the top competition and develop at a better pace. This would give the top and 2nd pairs each a decent/great dman to be paired with.

Sanderson-Pietrangelo
Smith-Severson
Butcher-Subban

suddenly the defense doesn't look too terrible. It's not great, but as Sanderson and Smith develop it could be quite nice. If we don't get Sanderson, maybe give Bahl a look. We'll still likely retain Colton White, Mermis and Mueller, so they could be an option if we don't draft Sanderson. White is just 23.. so you never know.
- MartysBetter88

Pietrangelo's not coming here. He wants to go to a contender, he'll likely end up in Vegas, Boston, or Toronto

NHL.com mock drafts have us taking holtz
- dmarsden2988

Gimme gimme! I'll be thrilled if we take one of Holtz, Raymond, Rossi, Drysdale, or Sanderson at 7. Perfetti would be fine too, but i just prefer those 5 over him. But any of those guys and i'll be very excited. No Askarov and no Quinn, please.

Gimme gimme! I'll be thrilled if we take one of Holtz, Raymond, Rossi, Drysdale, or Sanderson at 7. Perfetti would be fine too, but i just prefer those 5 over him. But any of those guys and i'll be very excited. No Askarov and no Quinn, please.
- vlongo4419

Is Sanderson considered a safe pick where he is good defensively but limited offense? I don't know much about him.

But yes those are my preferences to for the 7th pick, think we could get a good dman at 18 if we want a D in the first round as most 1st rounders at least in too half seem to be forwards

I think Carolina or Minny go for askarov

Is Sanderson considered a safe pick where he is good defensively but limited offense? I don't know much about him.

But yes those are my preferences to for the 7th pick, think we could get a good dman at 18 if we want a D in the first round as most 1st rounders at least in too half seem to be forwards

I think Carolina or Minny go for askarov
- dmarsden2988

Yeah i'd say he's pretty safe. Everything i've seen/heard about him is he is a safe top4 guy with top pairing upside. He likely only has 35-40 point ceiling but he is fantastic defensively and a guy who will be able to play 25+ minutes a night. It wouldnt shock me at all if he turns out to be the best D in this class, better than Drysdale. I just wish he was a righty like Drysdale lol.

I agree, i think Askarov will go in the 9-15 range. Any of Minny, Carolina, Edmonton, or Toronto could take him. Maybe even Nashville. If he somehow starts to fall towards the mid-teens like 13-15 i would be trying to trade up to get him.

If we keep our later picks and use them, i really hope we use one of them on Jacob Perreault.

Pietrangelo's not coming here. He wants to go to a contender, he'll likely end up in Vegas, Boston, or Toronto
- vlongo4419

Oh I know. idk, I just got on a roll there.

Gotta land one of Gunler or Perreault (or both) with the later picks. Both have high ceilings so maybe one will pan out.

Oh I know. idk, I just got on a roll there.

Gotta land one of Gunler or Perreault (or both) with the later picks. Both have high ceilings so maybe one will pan out.
- MartysBetter88

Jacob Perreault is the winner for me. Just keeps improving on an already great skill base.