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sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Oct 7 @ 9:23 PM ET
Kahun is like literally the picture perfect middle six utility player.

Goals : ✔️

Defense: ✔️

Ability to play C/W : ✔️

Speed and forechecking : ✔️

Yeah, I’m sure we’re gonna get that value out of some 30 year old UFA on the open market that we totally won’t have to overpay to play in Buffalo
GERBE!!!75PTS
San Jose Sharks
Location: Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Jack Eichel-, CA
Joined: 02.11.2009

Oct 7 @ 9:23 PM ET
y,
- wingz4life


He's already slow i believe his body will breakdown faster in year 2 of the contract


He will be just a useless kyle 2.0
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Oct 7 @ 9:24 PM ET
Jack Quinn - Left Wing - Ottawa 67's
As stated, Quinn has seriously closed the gap for me between Rossi, Perfetti, and he. It wouldn't shock me at all if he was drafted before one or both. NHL scouts love this kid. IMO, Quinn was actually the better and more consistent OHL player in the second half for Ottawa, if we're comparing him to Rossi. My write up for Quinn is going to focus a lot on those who downplay his abilities for various reasons. The first is his age. Yes, he only missed last year's draft by a few days. I don't care. Human development is non linear. Quinn was playing AA hockey and was well under 6'0 before his minor midget year. Physically, this kid is a late bloomer and is the exact reason why we have the September cutoff. That extra year has allowed him to fill out his growing frame (now over 6'0), and improve his overall athleticism and skating ability. The second is the team he plays for. Quinn doesn't play with Rossi at even strength. He plays with Mitchell Hoelscher (a late round NHL draft pick), and either a converted defenseman (Belanger) or a rookie (Jack Beck). Yet, he led the OHL (with Nick Robertson) in even strength goals. He plays with Rossi on the powerplay, on the penalty kill, and when protecting a lead late. But he does not ride piggy back. Quinn is terrific at creating his own scoring chances. He is such a deceptive player in transition. He has such a high level shot that defenders have to try to be aggressive in taking away his space, so he exploits that by cutting to the middle, using defenders as a screen. He is also exceptionally intelligent without the puck. His anticipation as a goal scorer is outstanding. And his play away from the puck as a defensive player improved by leaps and bounds this year. This kid has to be considered one of the most complete wingers available this year. The third is the quality of the team he plays for. This is an easy one to refute. Maybe the 67's are as good as they are because of Quinn? Ottawa had more injuries than any team this year, and to key players, yet they found themselves on top because of kids like Quinn. Look, I won't pretend that Quinn's game doesn't have limitations. I don't necessarily think that he's a high level playmaker. He is great working the wall to prolong possession. However, in transition, he's usually very driven to score. And while his skating has improved a lot, it's still not elite. Likely equates to being slightly above average in the NHL. However, IMO, it's rare to find such a quality goal scorer, who also happens to have good size and plays a 200 foot game. This is a kid you can have on the ice if you need a goal, or are up a goal. His minutes won't have to be sheltered. For that reason, he's a candidate for the top 7 IMO.
https://ohlprospects.blog...yers-for-2020_28.html?m=1

- GERBE!!!75PTS

But but but!!!
wingz4life
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Canada Sucks, MI
Joined: 01.31.2006

Oct 7 @ 9:25 PM ET
He's already slow i believe his body will breakdown faster in year 2 of the contract


He will be just a useless kyle 2.0

- GERBE!!!75PTS

what about Dandonov.
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Oct 7 @ 9:25 PM ET
What else is new, no pitching like I said. Hicks has no business on this team and neither does Gary Sanchez.
- SABRES 89

Bats disappearing
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Oct 7 @ 9:28 PM ET
Kahun is like literally the picture perfect middle six utility player.

Goals : ✔️

Defense: ✔️

Ability to play C/W : ✔️

Speed and forechecking : ✔️

Yeah, I’m sure we’re gonna get that value out of some 30 year old UFA on the open market that we totally won’t have to overpay to play in Buffalo

- sbroads24

2yrs 5.4mill
SABRES 89
Season Ticket Holder
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I'm very Happy to be here. Las Vegas Via Buffalo N.Y.
Joined: 02.17.2007

Oct 7 @ 9:28 PM ET
Bats disappearing
- Buff36

Teams a joke just like Judge and his 125 average, MONEYBALL..... GET ON BASE!!!!
Pegullaville
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Toronto
Joined: 03.16.2011

Oct 7 @ 9:35 PM ET
How can you rely on analytics when prospects come from a multitude of leagues. Do you handicap results based on the league the prospect played in.
There are just too many variables that would suggest to me it’s a total crapshoot. Every team can probably rattle off 5 mistakes with early picks and 5 surprises with late picks.
Taking the sniper with pick 8 is based heavily on his ability to score from anywhere but the big question is can he do it at the elite level. Only time will tell.

- Camel



Here is an 18 minute video on our 2nd round pick JJ Peterka and in this video he uses analytics to compare him against Stutzle and Reichel two players whom also played in the DEL.

Now take it with a grain of salt as he only tracks each player for a 7-8 game sample size however there is a great amount of detail in this clip if you have the time, or the desire to learn about JJ.

https://youtu.be/yFRyAPCx5wY
Pegullaville
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Toronto
Joined: 03.16.2011

Oct 7 @ 9:44 PM ET
But but but!!!
- Buff36


For Quinn, I see a player who feasted on lower quality of competition as most teams attempted to shut down the 67’s top line (Rossi’s line).

Even the best of players on the other teams hardly get drafted and he was seeing a lot of lesser matchups.

Secondly, age is very important. He was an 18 year old for the majority of the year playing against kids and although Rossi and Lundell were in the same boat as draft eligibles this year, they both showed a greater sample size of consistent play.

I have definitely been a bit unfair in judging the pick due to my preference of Rossi and disappointment in passing over him.

I believe Jack Quinn will be an NHL winger at the next level, and very well could be a very good one. I just believe there were better players available and that the Sabres selected for need and not the best available player.

With Quinn I get a lot of Oshie/Toffoli vibes.

I think both Oshie and Toffoli have been good top 6 wingers over the course of their careers and I hope Jack does the same.

Seeing Rossi between Fiala and Kaprizov though might still hurt deep inside though.
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Oct 7 @ 9:52 PM ET
For Quinn, I see a player who feasted on lower quality of competition as most teams attempted to shut down the 67’s top line (Rossi’s line).

Even the best of players on the other teams hardly get drafted and he was seeing a lot of lesser matchups.

Secondly, age is very important. He was an 18 year old for the majority of the year playing against kids and although Rossi and Lundell were in the same boat as draft eligibles this year, they both showed a greater sample size of consistent play.

I have definitely been a bit unfair in judging the pick due to my preference of Rossi and disappointment in passing over him.

I believe Jack Quinn will be an NHL winger at the next level, and very well could be a very good one. I just believe there were better players available and that the Sabres selected for need and not the best available player.

With Quinn I get a lot of Oshie/Toffoli vibes.

I think both Oshie and Toffoli have been good top 6 wingers over the course of their careers and I hope Jack does the same.

Seeing Rossi between Fiala and Kaprizov though might still hurt deep inside though.

- Pegullaville

I like Quinn more now than I did yesterday after some reading.

Still would’ve absolutely wanted Rossi
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Oct 7 @ 9:53 PM ET
For Quinn, I see a player who feasted on lower quality of competition as most teams attempted to shut down the 67’s top line (Rossi’s line).

Even the best of players on the other teams hardly get drafted and he was seeing a lot of lesser matchups.

Secondly, age is very important. He was an 18 year old for the majority of the year playing against kids and although Rossi and Lundell were in the same boat as draft eligibles this year, they both showed a greater sample size of consistent play.

I have definitely been a bit unfair in judging the pick due to my preference of Rossi and disappointment in passing over him.

I believe Jack Quinn will be an NHL winger at the next level, and very well could be a very good one. I just believe there were better players available and that the Sabres selected for need and not the best available player.

With Quinn I get a lot of Oshie/Toffoli vibes.

I think both Oshie and Toffoli have been good top 6 wingers over the course of their careers and I hope Jack does the same.

Seeing Rossi between Fiala and Kaprizov though might still hurt deep inside though.

- Pegullaville

I understand, I was very surprised with the pick. But I am not gonna judge until I see what happens and how he progresses. Nobody can see what will happen 2yrs down the road.
Sabretooth9
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 05.24.2019

Oct 7 @ 9:54 PM ET
olofsson-eichel-skunk
skinner-staal-tage
casey-cozens-okposo
cj larry-lazar larry-larry TBNL


dahlin-miller
montour-risto
mccabe-miller

ullmark
johansson


plan the parade

- homiedclown


That’s god awful .......
TheHank
Location: Yawn.
Joined: 01.11.2017

Oct 7 @ 9:54 PM ET
That’s god awful .......
- Sabretooth9

needs more miller.
Camel
Season Ticket Holder
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Sudbury, ON
Joined: 04.25.2009

Oct 7 @ 9:57 PM ET
Here is an 18 minute video on our 2nd round pick JJ Peterka and in this video he uses analytics to compare him against Stutzle and Reichel two players whom also played in the DEL.

Now take it with a grain of salt as he only tracks each player for a 7-8 game sample size however there is a great amount of detail in this clip if you have the time, or the desire to learn about JJ.

https://youtu.be/yFRyAPCx5wY

- Pegullaville


Thanks. Trust me. I need to see this just to learn how this has taken over.
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Oct 7 @ 10:13 PM ET
2yrs 5.4mill
- Buff36


Guess or what you’re hearing?

I mean he should be a $2.5-2.75 per year type
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Oct 7 @ 10:16 PM ET
Guess or what you’re hearing?

I mean he should be a $2.5-2.75 per year type

- Stripes77

In Toronto.
Sabretooth9
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 05.24.2019

Oct 7 @ 10:29 PM ET
2yrs 5.4mill
- Buff36


Done deal or the cheap offer that was rejected?
Pegullaville
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Toronto
Joined: 03.16.2011

Oct 7 @ 10:32 PM ET
Thanks. Trust me. I need to see this just to learn how this has taken over.
- Camel


I enjoyed the video.

Unfortunately he didn’t make one for Quinn though.

sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Oct 7 @ 10:35 PM ET
https://twitter.com/cmded.../1314029538377113602?s=21

Kahun. Most productive player to not get a QO. But yes, the Buffalo Sabres and their powerhouse roster is too good to give him $.
Sabretooth9
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 05.24.2019

Oct 7 @ 10:41 PM ET
https://twitter.com/cmdedominicis/status/1314029538377113602?s=21

Kahun. Most productive player to not get a QO. But yes, the Buffalo Sabres and their powerhouse roster is too good to give him $.

- sbroads24


Before we shun Kim and Ralph ...... let’s see if he signs either tomorrow or fridayc
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Oct 7 @ 10:45 PM ET
If you watched both Cobra Kai and also the Guardians of the Galaxy movies, this is fantastic.

https://youtu.be/ZH-PJw8YyiA

- buffalofan19




how could 11 people not like that?
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Oct 7 @ 10:46 PM ET
In Toronto.
- buffalofan19

sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Oct 7 @ 10:46 PM ET
Before we shun Kim and Ralph ...... let’s see if he signs either tomorrow or fridayc
- Sabretooth9

It’s not even the point for me. They are willing to risk it because they are cheap.

They don’t care about winning.

It’s really a sad era.

I hope they get sold soon
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Oct 7 @ 10:46 PM ET
https://twitter.com/cmdedominicis/status/1314029538377113602?s=21

Kahun. Most productive player to not get a QO. But yes, the Buffalo Sabres and their powerhouse roster is too good to give him $.

- sbroads24

respect the lifestyle

homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Oct 7 @ 10:48 PM ET
It’s not even the point for me. They are willing to risk it because they are cheap.

They don’t care about winning.

It’s really a sad era.

I hope they get sold soon

- sbroads24

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