Vegas has made the signing of Chandler Stephenson to a four-year contract official.
As previously reported, the AAV of the deal is $2.75 million. Stephenson registered 11 goals and 26 points in 65 games last season, including eight goals and 22 points across 41 contests with the Golden Knights after he was acquired from Washington. Stephenson can fit anywhere in the lineup and could play in the top-six forward group again for Vegas in 2020-21.
- SABRES 89

sign him today for 2 or 3 years at 2.75 - 2.9. no reason not to

sign him today for 2 or 3 years at 2.75 - 2.9. no reason not to
- SabresFaninIndiana

No, there is not. Young player that we need.

Pekar and Peterka are going to be insanely fun to watch, and help this team be hard to play against. Quinn as well (he's very skilled and hard to play against)
- TheSabresTaco

Peterka was a nice get in the 2nd round.

No complaints at all from me with that pick.

Plays a simplistic North-south game that projects well for a bottom 6 role.

If his hands catch up to his feet then we we may even have a top 6 forward on our hands.

I feel good about his odds of wearing the Sabres sweater at the very least.

With Kahun we had a possibility of locking in a top 9 forward that could play up and down the lineup and be a value contract.
- Pegullaville

They still have that opportunity. They're meeting today for further contract discussion. Both parties actually sound interested in working something out.

Unless Adams is a moron, and I'm pretty sure he isn't (this is unrelated to his ability as a GM, btw), the reason the Sabres would decline the QO is because they think he probably wouldn't be a value contract after arbitration, especially in a post-covid economy. Plus, you likely lose the player to UFA after his arb deal ends.

Anyway, even if he's unsigned on Friday, Kahun isn't going to get what he would have asked for (and probably would have gotten) in arbitration given the current circumstances. Unlike pretty much every year before this one, players likely aren't going to get paid more than their comps who signed deals before them on the open market.

Adams also said part of the calculus is leaving the door open for taking the money they would set aside for paying Kahun as an arb-eligible RFA and spending it on a better player if one is available once FA opens. I don't want to lose Kahun for nothing, but I would not complain if the team brought in a better player than him.

IF Kahun is legit interested in extending with the Sabres, and IF the team is willing to pay FMV, not qualifying him is a great way to get a deal done because the market will actually set the deal. I mean, there's a risk he takes less money to play elsewhere like you proposed in the post I responded to before, but if that's the case then the Sabres were going to lose no matter what with respect to Kahun.

My main point in my posts tonight is to respond to the seeming general consensus that there are no circumstances where it makes sense not to qualify Kahun. In fact, there are as many good reasons not to do it as there are good ones to do it. But it all depends on circumstances to which none of us are privy.

I do not look at fancy stats, but I would be curious to see what kahun's looked like give how our new gm said he was going to lean heavy on that for player analysis

We can debate if Cozens fails along the way.
Seems obvious they are banking on Cozens becoming their 2C.
In these economic conditions, I think it is a smart move for this season and next to spend money elsewhere...we know there are plenty of more pressing needs
- IonSabres

It's good that they are planning on Cozens filling that role long term, but with the tenuous situation with Eichel, is it really a good idea to expect Cozens to fill a 3rd line center role in his rookie season? That does not seem like a good idea.

They still have that opportunity. They're meeting today for further contract discussion. Both parties actually sound interested in working something out.

- JetpackJesus

he played 6 games for the sabres so no loyalty on his part to sign



he can sign with them today, or a team like the leafs, bolts, colorado, washington, pens, rangers, bruins, etc tomorrow


literally yesterday we controlled his rights, and now he can play for whoever he wants



outstanding asset management on a young player with a .5 ppg stat

I do not look at fancy stats, but I would be curious to see what kahun's looked like give how our new gm said he was going to lean heavy on that for player analysis
- homiedclown

This question implies the GM is not still trying to re-sign him. He is.

I had no idea so many people feel so strongly about Dominik Kahun
- jcragcrumple

Nah, just incompetent management/ownership that’s on full display once again.

he played 6 games for the sabres so no loyalty on his part to sign



he can sign with them today, or a team like the leafs, bolts, colorado, washington, pens, rangers, bruins, etc tomorrow


literally yesterday we controlled his rights, and now he can play for whoever he wants



outstanding asset management on a young player with a .5 ppg stat
- homiedclown

I mean, if you don't want to read anything else I've written on the topic, go right ahead.

This question implies the GM is not still trying to re-sign him. He is.
- JetpackJesus

he had the rights to kahun, a .5 ppg player


he relinquished the rights to him yesterday

it's a piss poor way to handle asset management and you guys are literally defending adams


this reason alone is why the pegula's should have NOTHING to do with sabre players

f@cking amateur hour

I do not look at fancy stats, but I would be curious to see what kahun's looked like give how our new gm said he was going to lean heavy on that for player analysis
- homiedclown

His even strength points per 60, which is a big metric, had him at 2.56, which ranked him tied for 25th out of all forwards in the NHL last year.

Who was he tied with? Elias Pettersson and Jonathan Huberdeau.

Pretty good company to keep.

He also wasn't getting some large ARB award when his best comparable was Kerfoot who makes $3.5M.

Most other comparables for Kahun were under $3M or even under $2M.

I mean, if you don't want to read anything else I've written on the topic, go right ahead.
- JetpackJesus

it's a f@cking sh!t show with the sabres


they really need to just sell the team

They still have that opportunity. They're meeting today for further contract discussion. Both parties actually sound interested in working something out.

Unless Adams is a moron, and I'm pretty sure he isn't (this is unrelated to his ability as a GM, btw), the reason the Sabres would decline the QO is because they think he probably wouldn't be a value contract after arbitration, especially in a post-covid economy. Plus, you likely lose the player to UFA after his arb deal ends.

Anyway, even if he's unsigned on Friday, Kahun isn't going to get what he would have asked for (and probably would have gotten) in arbitration given the current circumstances. Unlike pretty much every year before this one, players likely aren't going to get paid more than their comps who signed deals before them on the open market.

Adams also said part of the calculus is leaving the door open for taking the money they would set aside for paying Kahun as an arb-eligible RFA and spending it on a better player if one is available once FA opens. I don't want to lose Kahun for nothing, but if I would not complain if the team brought in a better player than him.

IF Kahun is legit interested in extending with the Sabres, and IF the team is willing to pay FMV, not qualifying him is a great way to get a deal done because the market will actually set the deal. I mean, there's a risk he takes less money to play elsewhere like you proposed in the post I responded to before, but if that's the case then the Sabres were going to lose no matter what with respect to Kahun.

My main point in my posts tonight is to respond to the seeming general consensus that there are no circumstances where it makes sense not to qualify Kahun. In fact, there are as many good reasons not to do it as there are good ones to do it. But it all depends on circumstances to which none of us are privy.
- JetpackJesus

Sabres management over the past couple of days have really shown me that they do not deserve the benefit of the doubt.

Adams may articulate himself better than Botts but that doesn’t mean he isn’t full of poop and I can’t read between the lines or see through the bs.

Terry is penny pinching, plain and simple.

Now if Adams moves Montour, Mitts + and gets us a legit top 6 forward then I won’t be as upset.

However, we had the flexibility to make the moves that we could make while still retaining Kahun.

This is strictly an internal cap move and Terry has identified that he wants to splurge his load on the Bills and run the Sabres as a small business venture.

His even strength points per 60, which is a big metric, had him at 2.56, which ranked him tied for 25th out of all forwards in the NHL last year.

Who was he tied with? Elias Pettersson and Jonathan Huberdeau.

Pretty good company to keep.

He also wasn't getting some large ARB award when his best comparable was Kerfoot who makes $3.5M.

Most other comparables for Kahun were under $3M or even under $2M.
- kingcong39

so...................

we qualify him, and worst case we over pay 500 k and have a chance to lock him up before arbitration


or we can roll the dice, have 24 hours to try to work out a deal and if not he can go play anywhere and we get nothing for him


f@ck the damn yacht

They still have that opportunity. They're meeting today for further contract discussion. Both parties actually sound interested in working something out.

Unless Adams is a moron, and I'm pretty sure he isn't (this is unrelated to his ability as a GM, btw), the reason the Sabres would decline the QO is because they think he probably wouldn't be a value contract after arbitration, especially in a post-covid economy. Plus, you likely lose the player to UFA after his arb deal ends.

Anyway, even if he's unsigned on Friday, Kahun isn't going to get what he would have asked for (and probably would have gotten) in arbitration given the current circumstances. Unlike pretty much every year before this one, players likely aren't going to get paid more than their comps who signed deals before them on the open market.

Adams also said part of the calculus is leaving the door open for taking the money they would set aside for paying Kahun as an arb-eligible RFA and spending it on a better player if one is available once FA opens. I don't want to lose Kahun for nothing, but I would not complain if the team brought in a better player than him.

IF Kahun is legit interested in extending with the Sabres, and IF the team is willing to pay FMV, not qualifying him is a great way to get a deal done because the market will actually set the deal. I mean, there's a risk he takes less money to play elsewhere like you proposed in the post I responded to before, but if that's the case then the Sabres were going to lose no matter what with respect to Kahun.

My main point in my posts tonight is to respond to the seeming general consensus that there are no circumstances where it makes sense not to qualify Kahun. In fact, there are as many good reasons not to do it as there are good ones to do it. But it all depends on circumstances to which none of us are privy.
- JetpackJesus

This part of your statement is incorrect:

what he would have asked for (and probably would have gotten

The majority of the time, the arbitrator splits the difference between what the player files for and what the team files for.

He was never getting his full request.

He was likely getting under $3M.

There was never a concern about a bloated ARB award.

Nah, just incompetent management/ownership that’s on full display once again.
- sbroads24

Are they still incompetent if they sign him? Or just incompetent for the time being?

This is strictly an internal cap move and Terry has identified that he wants to splurge his load on the Bills and run the Sabres as a small business venture.
- Pegullaville

just sell the damn team

Are they still incompetent if they sign him? Or just incompetent for the time being?
- Powerslave

Yes. Regardless if they sign him they made the choice that $ was the primary factor over making sure no matter what they kept the rights to a good player

so...................

we qualify him, and worst case we over pay 500 k and have a chance to lock him up before arbitration

or we can roll the dice, have 24 hours to try to work out a deal and if not he can go play anywhere and we get nothing for him

f@ck the damn yacht
- homiedclown

Exactly, and it's not like they don't have too many defensemen already or any other players they could ship out, including Tage.

Are they still incompetent if they sign him? Or just incompetent for the time being?
- Powerslave

they are incompetent for being in the position to now lose a .5 ppg player in the nhl for nothing


honestly this trumps the 2 way contract offer for pilut, who they had penciled in our opening lineup for the fall

sign him today for 2 or 3 years at 2.75 - 2.9. no reason not to
- SabresFaninIndiana

Hell, even just the 4 at $2.75. That’s not a back breaking contract! Especially for his versatility and hopefully continued growth.

I go back to, DescriptionDominik Kahun is a Czech-born German professional ice hockey forward....

Ralph will not let ze German leave. It wouldn’t be synergistic!

Hell, even just the 4 at $2.75. That’s not a back breaking contract! Especially for his versatility and hopefully continued growth.

I go back to, DescriptionDominik Kahun is a Czech-born German professional ice hockey forward....

Ralph will not let ze German leave. It wouldn’t be synergistic!
- Gr8daygo

Ralph is an over hyped loser coach that has a losing record everywhere in hockey

no wonder the other 30 teams wanted nothing to do with him when the oilers canned him

Nah, just incompetent management/ownership that’s on full display once again.
- sbroads24

Let's see how it plays out, including whatever moves the rest of FA brings.

The Sabres wanted cost certainty to plan the rest of their moves. 6 RFAs means plenty of uncertainty in their cap number. They took the risk to cut down on that uncertainty.

We'll see how it all plays out. I get why they did what they did. They certainly can use Kahun. Maybe they'll keep him or maybe they'll replace him. We'll see

I guess having 5 good forwards is too much for this organization I guess.

Kahun put up 41 points last year playing with the likes of McCann, Hornqvist, Mojo, Olofsson.

He’s either one of the better third liners in the league or really a top 6 forward that doesn’t get a fair shake ?
- Pegullaville

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