Respect.

We want the same thing. The Sens to win a cup. How they’re getting there might be a difference of opinion, but the goal is still the same.

Just to respond to your second post regarding Jarventie and Sokolov (aka Better call Sokolov).

I actually like Jarventie, Probably more then I like the Greig pick. Maybe it’s because I see the upside in Jarventie as a potential top 6 PF.

Sokolov has the shot and ya he led the Q. The issue is he’s 20 (I don’t know why he missed two years of draft eligibility) not very physical, and not a great skater. And speed has become a requirement coming into the league. Hope he pans out, but there’s a lot working against him.
- Trilla

There is a simple test for evaluating competence in a selection process. Different ways of doing it. Basically you test your choices against the field. In this case you would compare selections with the selections taken after you.

So Sens took: Stuetzle, Sanderson, Greig, Jarventie, Kleven Sokolov

Field took: Raymond, Drysdale, Brisson, Peterka, Faber, Goncalves

So, you can only have the whole of the Sens list or the whole of the Field pick. I like the sens.

Crazy that Wennberg is getting bought out, considering how he looked just a couple seasons back.

Crazy that Wennberg is getting bought out, considering how he looked just a couple seasons back.
- david22

I think he was stifled in Tortorella's system.............Tort's teams are where offensive players go to die

I was getting super annoyed at the negativity (especially from that athirin guy), I let my frustration get the better of me. people are obviously entitled to their opinions. there has been so much negativity surrounding this team that it was nice to finally have a couple of days where things didn't explode, and some people were just ruining it with over the top negativity (twitter was just unreadable).
- sensarmy_11

I'll just quickly chime in to agree that it's nice to see good news around the team, including drafting some high-end talent, adding a quality goaltender, the whole Trebek thing, and the generally positive reaction to their picks in the media. Now I maintain that there was another level of home run they could have tried for, but I can't deny it was a successful draft. Stutzle could be worth the price of admission, Sanderson/Kleven bolster the defensive side of a very promising blue line, and Greig/Jarventie look like quality supporting forwards. It would also be hard to say that Murray/Hogberg wasn't a pretty good foundation in goal, with a deep prospect pool to back it up.

There are still gaps that will need to be addressed, and until the potential of some of these players start to be realized a lot of this is academic, but there was no way to solve all of the team's problems in 2 days. They did a lot right at this year's draft, and for a team with Ottawa's recent track record of bush-league drama, it's not wrong to value that.

I'll just quickly chime in to agree that it's nice to see good news around the team, including drafting some high-end talent, adding a quality goaltender, the whole Trebek thing, and the generally positive reaction to their picks in the media. Now I maintain that there was another level of home run they could have tried for, but I can't deny it was a successful draft. Stutzle could be worth the price of admission, Sanderson/Kleven bolster the defensive side of a very promising blue line, and Greig/Jarventie look like quality supporting forwards. It would also be hard to say that Murray/Hogberg wasn't a pretty good foundation in goal, with a deep prospect pool to back it up.

There are still gaps that will need to be addressed, but there was no way to solve all of the team's problems in 2 days. They did a lot right at this year's draft, and for a team with Ottawa's recent track record of bush-league drama, it's not wrong to value that.
- khawk

they were never going to fill every organizational hole in one draft, but they went a long way to making this a better team moving forward.

they were never going to fill every organizational hole in one draft, but they went a long way to making this a better team moving forward.
- sensarmy_11

I feel the Sens don't need to worry about LW, D, G, or depth C for a long, long time. Those positions were bolstered at the draft. That's not too bad considering.

They definitely need some more RW's. Brown and Batherson are the only guys primed for NHL status.

I still think they cold address the 1C position. I know Stuzle can possibly play there, and it would be ideal if he did, but I have said before, I've never seen a franchise centre that developed also playing wing (other than powerplays). However, maybe that happens. Wouldn't be the worst thing to nab another quality centre that projects to be more than a 2nd/3rd line centre as insurance.

I feel the Sens don't need to worry about LW, D, G, or depth C for a long, long time. Those positions were bolstered at the draft. That's not too bad considering.

They definitely need some more RW's. Brown and Batherson are the only guys primed for NHL status.

I still think they cold address the 1C position. I know Stuzle can possibly play there, and it would be ideal if he did, but I have said before, I've never seen a franchise centre that developed also playing wing (other than powerplays). However, maybe that happens. Wouldn't be the worst thing to nab another quality centre that projects to be more than a 2nd/3rd line centre as insurance.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

from what I've read on Stutzle is that, other than his 1 year in Manheim, he's been a center his whole life....including the World Jr's, U18's, etc. Manheim played started him on the wing, probably because he was 4 years younger than the next youngest player on the team, probably didn't want to put top six center pressure on a 17 year old, but also didn't want to only play him 7 minutes a game as a 4th line center.

my gut tells me the sens will try him at center, and only move him to wing if that doesn't seem to work

from what I've read on Stutzle is that, other than his 1 year in Manheim, he's been a center his whole life....including the World Jr's, U18's, etc. Manheim played started him on the wing, probably because he was 4 years younger than the next youngest player on the team, probably didn't want to put top six center pressure on a 17 year old, but also didn't want to only play him 7 minutes a game as a 4th line center.

my gut tells me the sens will try him at center, and only move him to wing if that doesn't seem to work
- sensarmy_11

I hope they just pick one or the other (and the same with Branstrom) flip-flopping prospects positions is only asking for their development to suffer.

I feel the Sens don't need to worry about LW, D, G, or depth C for a long, long time. Those positions were bolstered at the draft. That's not too bad considering.

They definitely need some more RW's. Brown and Batherson are the only guys primed for NHL status.

I still think they cold address the 1C position. I know Stuzle can possibly play there, and it would be ideal if he did, but I have said before, I've never seen a franchise centre that developed also playing wing (other than powerplays). However, maybe that happens. Wouldn't be the worst thing to nab another quality centre that projects to be more than a 2nd/3rd line centre as insurance.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

Wasn't Pierre Luc Dubois drafted as a W.

I hope they just pick one or the other (and the same with Branstrom) flip-flopping prospects positions is only asking for their development to suffer.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

I think they'll start with him as a C, and shift him if it doesn't work (and leave him at W). I can't see them ruining their prized prospect by flipping him around all the time.............I hope

Wasn't Pierre Luc Dubois drafted as a W.
- granpa

Do you think it was a good move by Dorion to let Duclair walk?

If you're not familiar with some of the newest Sens' draft picks, here are the links to the SilverSevenSens summary for each selection.

Tim Stutzle
https://www.silversevense...rd-overall-nhl-draft-2020

Jake Sanderson
https://www.silversevense...ake-sanderson-5th-overall

Ridley Greig
https://www.silversevense...-ridly-greig-28th-overall

Roby Jarventie
https://www.silversevense...all-nhl-sens-ottawa-draft

Tyler Kleven
https://www.silversevense...tyler-kleven-44th-overall

Egor Sokolov
https://www.silversevense...egor-sokolov-61st-overall

Leevi Merilainen
https://www.silversevense...rall-nhl-entry-draft-2020

Eric Engstrand
https://www.silversevense...c-engstrand-155th-overall

Philippe Daoust
https://www.silversevense...ippe-daoust-158th-overall

Cole Reinhardt
https://www.silversevense...e-reinhardt-181st-overall

If you're not familiar with some of the newest Sens' draft picks, here are the links to the SilverSevenSens summary for each selection.

Tim Stutzle
https://www.silversevense...rd-overall-nhl-draft-2020

Jake Sanderson
https://www.silversevense...ake-sanderson-5th-overall

Ridley Greig
https://www.silversevense...-ridly-greig-28th-overall

Roby Jarventie
https://www.silversevense...all-nhl-sens-ottawa-draft

Tyler Kleven
https://www.silversevense...tyler-kleven-44th-overall

Egor Sokolov
https://www.silversevense...egor-sokolov-61st-overall

Leevi Merilainen
https://www.silversevense...rall-nhl-entry-draft-2020

Eric Engstrand
https://www.silversevense...c-engstrand-155th-overall

Philippe Daoust
https://www.silversevense...ippe-daoust-158th-overall

Cole Reinhardt
https://www.silversevense...e-reinhardt-181st-overall
- khawk

Sokolov IMO is the dark horse of the draft, he was passed over in 2019 at the draft because he was overweight and out of shape, this year he lost 20 LBS or so and his skating improved alot. Should be NHL ready can potentially be top 6 if he keeps his conditioning up.

unless OTT draft 1st OA or in a spot where a top end scoring F is slotted in next years draft, the Sanderson pick could be the among the worst selection in sens history, expecting Norris, Batherson, L.Brown, Formenton be consistently score 30+ goals is a massive gamble. The difference in potential between the 4 sens F prospect and perfetti,Rossi,Quinn and Holtz is greater than sanderson and the sens top D prospect.

Do you think it was a good move by Dorion to let Duclair walk?
- spatso

I think there's more to that decision than we know so I'm indifferent to what went down.

Sokolov IMO is the dark horse of the draft, he was passed over in 2019 at the draft because he was overweight and out of shape, this year he lost 20 LBS or so and his skating improved alot. Should be NHL ready can potentially be top 6 if he keeps his conditioning up.

unless OTT draft 1st OA or in a spot where a top end scoring F is slotted in next years draft, the Sanderson pick could be the among the worst selection in sens history, expecting Norris, Batherson, L.Brown, Formenton be consistently score 30+ goals is a massive gamble. The difference in potential between the 4 sens F prospect and perfetti,Rossi,Quinn and Holtz is greater than sanderson and the sens top D prospect.
- Athrin

I don't understand what you are trying to qualify as "difference in potential."

I like the Sokolov pick. If he's really committed to being a regular NHL player he could solve the Sens RW problem. 2 things you can't teach is scoring and size an he has both.

Wasn't Pierre Luc Dubois drafted as a W.
- granpa

He was drafted as a Winger but he played both C and W in the Q. Because he didn’t play Center full time, he was labeled a W.

Now he’s labeled a Center, but some have him as LW/C

I like the Sokolov pick. If he's really committed to being a regular NHL player he could solve the Sens RW problem. 2 things you can't teach is scoring and size an he has both.
- granpa

Dany Heatley was an awful skater. But he had a big, accurate shot and sweet hands. He was an incredibly effective player until his skating deteriorated even more and he could not keep up with the play.

They can get a good figure skating coach and help Sokolov to work on his edges and they can upgrade the quality of his skating significantly. Once heard an interview with a scout who said they get excited when they find a talented kid who has good numbers despite poor physical fitness. Fitness is the easiest thing to repair.

I think there's more to that decision than we know so I'm indifferent to what went down.
- granpa

Dorion had tried to change the culture around the Sens (started with Bryan Murray) of trying to do right by the players. Long term plan seems to be that they hope it will buy good will with the players that stay and potentially attract free agents.

With them not qualifying Duclair, it allows him to hit UFA early and the ability to shop himself and find out what his value actually is. Obviously, there’s a chance it could be a missed opportunity, but it’s probably going to have minimal effect on the team moving forward. I don’t think he’s in anyone’s long-term plans for the team, and I doubt there’s any market in trade for him. Some team might take a flyer on him in free agency, but there’s a better chance that Ottawa would end up putting him on waivers.

Does anybody know details on Gudbranson trade?

A really nice story here on Matt Murray, and his thoughts on coming to the Senators...
https://www.tsn.ca/mendes...start-in-ottawa-1.1536180

It's certainly good to hear that he's so excited about the move, and the opportunity he sees on a young team with such high potential. It's pretty clear this he's been identified as the kind of veteran leader they really want to add to the locker room (vs. just keeping older players around), especially with his Stanley Cup pedigree. It's also very interesting context that he struggled with the death of his father, and that he's now on the cusp of starting a family. That all seems like kind of a perfect storm for Murray to start a new chapter of his career, with intentions that could very well span beyond just the term of his next RFA contract.

Does anybody know details on Gudbranson trade?
- spatso

it's for a 5th rd pick. he only has 1 year left. this just stinks of "need to get to the cap floor" deal....don't like that this could take ice away from brannstrom though

it's for a 5th rd pick. he only has 1 year left. this just stinks of "need to get to the cap floor" deal....don't like that this could take ice away from brannstrom though
- sensarmy_11

I don't see how this takes ice time away from Brannstrom... Gudbranson is a RHD, who's best suited to playing a defensive anchor role, and PK minutes. If anything, I see this potentially helping Chabot out quite a bit, because otherwise his RHD-partner options were Zaitsev and Brown. Gudbranson might at least spare Chabot from doing too much front of the net grunt work. The term is good too, because in a year's time they'll be trying to make room for guys like Bernard-Docker, and Sanderson - but it's doubtful either will be ready before then.

I don't see how this takes ice time away from Brannstrom... Gudbranson is a RHD, who's best suited to playing a defensive anchor role, and PK minutes. If anything, I see this potentially helping Chabot out quite a bit, because otherwise his RHD-partner options were Zaitsev and Brown. Gudbranson might at least spare Chabot from doing too much front of the net grunt work.
- khawk

well a lot of the talk is that with drafting Sanderson, it means they're moving Brannstrom to the right side, where he likes to play. if that's the case....they have zub, zaitsev, brown, and now gudbrandson all RHD, so where does Brannstrom play?

well a lot of the talk is that with drafting Sanderson, it means they're moving Brannstrom to the right side, where he likes to play. if that's the case....they have zub, zaitsev, brown, and now gudbrandson all RHD, so where does Brannstrom play?
- sensarmy_11

They may eventually do that, but from what I've read the team prefers him at LHD... at least until he really establishes himself at the NHL level. Also, guys like Chabot, Zaitsev, Wolanin, and Gudbranson are far more ready to take on top-4 minutes, so you're really talking about a 3rd pairing role. And if Brannstrom really can't earn his ice time away from the likes of Reilly, Brown, or Zub, then maybe he actually does need a bit more AHL time.