OEL isn’t some cap dump as it’s seemingly being perceived, the Coyotes want to save money and rebuild but this is a top quality defenseman. They’re, apparently, perfectly fine to keep him but don’t see the need for an 8 million dollar dman during a rebuild.

Ottawa traded Erik Karlsson for Chris Tierney, defenseman Dylan DeMelo, forward Rudolfs Balcers, the rights to unsigned draft choice forward Joshua Norris, San Jose's first-round draft pick in the 2019 or 2020 NHL Draft, a second-round pick in the 2019 NHL Draft.

Arizona isn’t going to take a cap dump/
- Pacificgem

Well aware of that, I do not expect oel to be a canuck. Karlsson also didn't have a 1 team trade list (we all know boston is out).

Well aware of that, I do not expect oel to be a canuck. Karlsson also didn't have a 1 team trade list (we all know boston is out).
- anavar

Karlsson had a full NMC, he had a zero team trade list but they found something that worked and I know I quoted you but I’m just generally stating my opinion to everyone.

Karlsson had a full NMC, and I know I quoted you but I’m just generally stating my opinion to everyone.
- Pacificgem

yeah, all good - I could possibly see demko being involved, as I stated earlier due to the expansion draft + JV + some kind of cap dump from us. Would AZ take that? Just don't see how OEL lands a canuck - which makes it weird that we haven't signed anyone yet.. maybe oel is the hold up?

OEL isn’t some cap dump as it’s seemingly being perceived, the Coyotes want to save money and rebuild but this is a top quality defenseman. They’re, apparently, perfectly fine to keep him but don’t see the need for an 8 million dollar dman during a rebuild.

Ottawa traded Erik Karlsson for Chris Tierney, defenseman Dylan DeMelo, forward Rudolfs Balcers, the rights to unsigned draft choice forward Joshua Norris, San Jose's first-round draft pick in the 2019 or 2020 NHL Draft, a second-round pick in the 2019 NHL Draft.

Arizona isn’t going to take a cap dump/
- Pacificgem

- There's a 2 team trade list and it's well known that Boston is lowballing

- OEL is coming off of 2 straight down years(by his standards, he's obviously still a really good dman)

- Arizona ownership was looking into moving him before Armstrong was even hired as GM, there's clearly a motivation to move him from ownership and we all know GM's are basically puppets for owners when they make a demand

- OEL isn't getting any younger and the max expensive part of his contract is during these next few years, in terms of real dollars. There's real benefit for Arizona ownership to move him asap, plus his value only goes lower as he gets older.


Benning has no reason not to play hardball. Do I expect him to get him for scraps? Hell no, but I fully expect a cap dump to be involved and none of Pod/Hog/Demko to be involved.

OEL isn’t some cap dump as it’s seemingly being perceived, the Coyotes want to save money and rebuild but this is a top quality defenseman. They’re, apparently, perfectly fine to keep him but don’t see the need for an 8 million dollar dman during a rebuild.

Ottawa traded Erik Karlsson for Chris Tierney, defenseman Dylan DeMelo, forward Rudolfs Balcers, the rights to unsigned draft choice forward Joshua Norris, San Jose's first-round draft pick in the 2019 or 2020 NHL Draft, a second-round pick in the 2019 NHL Draft.

Arizona isn’t going to take a cap dump/
- Pacificgem

That was essentially a coup for SJ (barring how the 1st turned out this year lol).
As a comparable, they did not send over a prospect of any real significance, a third liner a depth d and picks.

Something around O.J, Virtanen and change seems like market value at this point.

- There's a 2 team trade list and it's well known that Boston is lowballing

- OEL is coming off of 2 straight down years(by his standards, he's obviously still a really good dman)

- Arizona ownership was looking into moving him before Armstrong was even hired as GM, there's clearly a motivation to move him from ownership and we all know GM's are basically puppets for owners when they make a demand

- OEL isn't getting any younger and the max expensive part of his contract is during these next few years, in terms of real dollars. There's real benefit for Arizona ownership to move him asap, plus his value only goes lower as he gets older.


Benning has no need not to play hardball. Do I expect him to get him for scraps? Hell no, but I fully expect a cap dump to be involved and none of Pod/Hog/Demko to be involved.
- Nucker101

Apparently Tochett wants to move him as he’s not physical enough and he’s not vocal enough for a captain. At any rate, you’re not getting a 29 year old top pairing dman for anything less than a contributing roster player, a good prospect and a good pick imo.

The only way you send a cap dump is if you sweeten your offer.

Apparently Tochett wants to move him as he’s not physical enough and he’s not vocal enough for a captain. At any rate, you’re not getting a 29 year old top pairing dman for anything less than a contributing roster player, a good prospect and a good pick imo.

The only way you send a cap dump is if you sweeten your offer.
- Pacificgem

Then I would wish them well and move on. Fully expecting a call back within 24 hours lol

Karlsson had a full NMC, he had a zero team trade list but they found something that worked and I know I quoted you but I’m just generally stating my opinion to everyone.
- Pacificgem

Karlsson had a M-NTC , he was easier to move than OEL.

yeah, all good - I could possibly see demko being involved, as I stated earlier due to the expansion draft + JV + some kind of cap dump from us. Would AZ take that? Just don't see how OEL lands a canuck - which makes it weird that we haven't signed anyone yet.. maybe oel is the hold up?
- anavar

I’m curious to see how this shakes out, but my $money would be on OEL still being a Coyote after the noon deadline tomorrow. I don’t think the Canucks & Coyotes can work something out, and in time to sort out TT or Markstrom (if needed).

However...I wouldn’t be opposed to some packaging of JV, Demko or MDP, + one of {beagle, eriksson, sutter} for OEL. Or substitute Gaudette or a future 2nd round pick in place of JV. Would rather keep Demko but otherwise I just don’t see any of those other skaters to be part of the “core”, while OEL helps address a glaring weakness on the backend.

Apparently Tochett wants to move him as he’s not physical enough and he’s not vocal enough for a captain. At any rate, you’re not getting a 29 year old top pairing dman for anything less than a contributing roster player, a good prospect and a good pick imo.

The only way you send a cap dump is if you sweeten your offer.
- Pacificgem

Yotes are in a position of weakness, and this is likely the best offer they will get. Every year the offers will be lower and lower(if OEL ever waives it again). There is a good chance he stays, but JB is the one with the power.

That was essentially a coup for SJ (barring how the 1st turned out this year lol).
As a comparable, they did not send over a prospect of any real significance, a third liner a depth d and picks.

Something around O.J, Virtanen and change seems like market value at this point.
- Whiskey-Tango

The point being, Ottawa wanted to rebuild and didn’t accept a cap dump from San Jose. Josh Norris was the 19th overall pick in 2017, Tierney is a contributing middle six forward, DeMelo is a depth dman plus they got a 1st & 2nd round pick.

A package like that for Vancouver is Pod/Hog, Virtanen, Stecher and a first & second round pick. I understand OEL is a step below Karlsson but just throwing that out there.

Karlsson had a M-NTC , he was easier to move than OEL.
- Retinalz

You’re right, it’s his new deal with a full NMC.

Yotes are in a position of weakness, and this is likely the best offer they will get. Every year the offers will be lower and lower(if OEL ever waives it again). There is a good chance he stays, but JB is the one with the power.
- Retinalz

I just don’t see it that way because Arizona doesn’t have to move him, they just want to, it’s not a desperate situation that they need to get out of, just preferred. Having said that, if it’s not gonna help their future with youth and picks they won’t do it.

It was kind of like a Gillis draft.
- A_SteamingLombardi

That was not a nice thing to say to Lefty.

The point being, Ottawa wanted to rebuild and didn’t accept a cap dump from San Jose. Josh Norris was the 19th overall pick in 2017, Tierney is a contributing middle six forward, DeMelo is a depth dman plus they got a 1st & 2nd round pick.

A package like that for Vancouver is Pod/Hog, Virtanen, Stecher and a first & second round pick. I understand OEL is a step below Karlsson but just throwing that out there.
- Pacificgem

Also a 1 year 6.5m hit was easier to absorb than a 7 year 8.25. Especially when caps were going up every year. Now we have a flat cap and uncertainty on when it will ever start going up again. More teams + no cap uncertainty vs Significantly less teams and nothing but cap uncertainty.

Also a 1 year 6.5m hit was easier to absorb than a 7 year 8.25. Especially when caps were going up every year. Now we have a flat cap and uncertainty on when it will ever start going up again. More teams + no cap uncertainty vs Significantly less teams and nothing but cap uncertainty.
- Retinalz

The 8.25 could be perceived as a good thing, it’s cost certainty, you don’t have to worry about losing him.

I hope it gets done. I think he would rebound on a fresh/fun Canucks team with QH's. His style lets him be good for most of that contract.

AZ wants to save cash....they can take LE + 2021 second, JV, and Woo

The 8.25 could be perceived as a good thing, it’s cost certainty, you don’t have to worry about losing him.
- Pacificgem

I just don’t see it that way because Arizona doesn’t have to move him, they just want to, it’s not a desperate situation that they need to get out of, just preferred. Having said that, if it’s not gonna help their future with youth and picks they won’t do it.
- Pacificgem

I see it differently. They have been trying to trade him since the last administration, Covid has team earnings projected to be low and he is owed a lot. They probably had a dozen teams interested before they went to him and then it dropped down to two teams. They also went to him AGAIN asking for more teams and were told no. There seems to be urgency from owners to move his 35.5m owed over the next 4 seasons and they have less than 24 hours to do it with only one team. Unless Boston swoops in last minute. Also OEL will not wait until Boston can talk to other players about money, etc. This has to be done BEFORE teams are allowed to talk to any UFA's. It is a position of weakness, and I bet Armstrong will have an unhappy boss if OEL remains on the team. Not a great start as a GM.

The 8.25 could be perceived as a good thing, it’s cost certainty, you don’t have to worry about losing him.
- Pacificgem

10.5 per year for 3 years after this is a LOT of real money on only 8.25m cap hit. When a team is bleeding money and Covid will only increase that loss...

I see it differently. They have been trying to trade him since the last administration, Covid has team earnings projected to be low and he is owed a lot. They probably had a dozen teams interested before they went to him and then it dropped down to two teams. They also went to him AGAIN asking for more teams and were told no. There seems to be urgency from owners to move his 35.5m owed over the next 4 seasons and they have less than 24 hours to do it with only one team. Unless Boston swoops in last minute. Also OEL will not wait until Boston can talk to other players about money, etc. This has to be done BEFORE teams are allowed to talk to any UFA's. It is a position of weakness, and I bet Armstrong will have an unhappy boss if OEL remains on the team. Not a great start as a GM.
- Retinalz

Hey listen I’d love to get him for a song, I just don’t see it happening. As for moving him, he was just signed to his current deal before last season. Tocchet isn’t a big fan but Chayka was, thus the extension.

Alex Meruelo has billions, he’s worth more than the Aquilini family, I don’t think they’re desperate in terms of money anymore.

Hey listen I’d love to get him for a song, I just don’t see it happening. As for moving him, he was just signed to his current deal before last season. Tocchet isn’t a big fan but Chayka was, thus the extension.

Alex Meruelo has billions, he’s worth more than the Aquilini family, I don’t think they’re desperate in terms of money anymore.
- Pacificgem

Alex worth 2b and aqualini family worth 3.3b

- anavar

SJ gave up all that for a rental, OEL isn’t a rental, he’s signed long term, don’t kid yourself it means something.

Would I like it in seven years, probably not, but imo he’ll be very good for another six years.

One word...tampering
- Nighthawk

Rumor spinners are so obviously full of crap. They dont even apply common sense when making crap up or repeating other people's fabrications.

Hopefully RD is wrong about the Yotes demanding one of Demko/Pod/Hog


Benning better walk away if that's the case. Let Marky walk too and use the cap space to try and bend over a team in cap hell or find some value free agents after the first few days of free agency.
- Nucker101

Demko, Erikson(1m retained), Beagle(1m retained) and a 3rd
4m in cash retained total

For OEL (0.5m retained)
3m retained total

I'd do it