Those last couple tweets go a long way in confirming what Drance just said.

Looking forward to seeing Loui back in the top 6.
- belcherbd

Bo in complete shambles

The big question is, even if Ferland says he is good to go, can the team LTIR him during offseason due to missed games and what happened in PO's with him? You'd gotta think they can force the issue for cap and activate him later in the season.
- Retinalz

Had to go look it up...

LTIR can be used in the off-season while the 10% off-season cushion is active...To use off-season LTIR the team must provide doctors proof that the player in question will continue to be injured at the beginning of the regular season for 10 NHL games and 24 calendar days.

The key is the requirement to provide proof that the player will be unable to play at the start of the next season.

I'm not nearly as down on Jake as some others on here. He's definitely been a project, but the progress has been there.

Unless he's looking for an outlandish contract (which I wouldn't see him getting anywhere right now), I think they're better off keeping him.
- Lotto 6-40-9

Its probably between 2-3AAV over 2/3 term if a deal. What do you think arb award outrage would be?

This free agency is very disappointing for the short term, but if it makes our window for contending larger in the future its alright....

Man HF Boards for Canucks is a toxic place. People are actually suggesting we went more term lower AAV, or got a worse back up and have Demko play 80% of the season.

might not be up to them. arbitration could value goals and pay him big
- johnnykarate

if i'm his agent, i present this to the arbitrator:
Benning - Virtanen is a player we have spent a lot of time with. We think he is going to be a consistent 20 goal scorer moving forward. Lots of growing pains along the way, but that's the case with a lot of players.

If JV played hungry & not like a spoiled brat he’d get paid & be a core player. He hasn’t & no indication he will. If he goes to arbitration he will be debased & embarrassed.
- Nighthawk

Maybe that can lead to him being humbled a bit. I wouldn't see embarrassment being a negative for Jake.

Had to go look it up...

LTIR can be used in the off-season while the 10% off-season cushion is active...To use off-season LTIR the team must provide doctors proof that the player in question will continue to be injured at the beginning of the regular season for 10 NHL games and 24 calendar days.

The key is the requirement to provide proof that the player will be unable to play at the start of the next season.
- SlightlyOffside

Before offseason is over Ferland needs to go through medical. I would wager they say he is not fit to play and he starts the year on LTIR. Doesn't matter what the player says, after last year and what an MRI shows, doctors will get final say.

Maybe that can lead to him being humbled a bit. I wouldn't see embarrassment being a negative for Jake.
- Lotto 6-40-9

I don’t see him getting embarrassed at all, he just had a solid season, statistically speaking. That’s all that matters in arbitration.

This free agency is very disappointing for the short term, but if it makes our window for contending larger in the future its alright....
- pker2theend

Just getting started. Most of the big boys didn't sign today, it's gonna be much more drawn out than previous years.

Handcuffed Benning > Deep Pockets Benning
- Nucker101

The best part will be once the core has their new deals and he can't overpay for the rest.

Arbitration is heavily stat and comparable based, the arbitrator won’t care about Jake’s conditioning or night life.
- Nucker101

and i doubt a flat cap will impact it either. benning better go in talking percentages of cap space to help but i imagine jake has a strong statistical case

Arbitration is heavily stat and comparable based, the arbitrator won’t care about Jake’s conditioning or night life.
- Nucker101

33g 28a in 139 games

24g 48a in 153 games

Which do you like most?

- Nucker101

I think people underestimate the power of having a pair of defencemen that will play together and compliment each other because Van hasn't had a 6 like that in a decade.

Before offseason is over Ferland needs to go through medical. I would wager they say he is not fit to play and he starts the year on LTIR. Doesn't matter what the player says, after last year and what an MRI shows, doctors will get final say.
- Retinalz

on a concussion? uhhhm no. he can say that he feels fine (even if he doesn't.)

concussions are like soft tissue injuries; a lot of it is based on how the patient "feels."

a brain mri can show brain damage but it doesn't mean that the person is not functional with respect to a specific issue.

and if you think the LEAGUE!!!!!!! will allow a team to force a player not to play (when he wants to) because of concussion issues, you haven't been paying attention to sports.

Bo in complete shambles
- Nucker101

Loui will never play another game in Vancouver. We didn’t have TT before the TDL and we’re still in a position to make the playoffs. Our young players growth should ensure the forwards are fine. Defence is another story

Man HF Boards for Canucks is a toxic place. People are actually suggesting we went more term lower AAV, or got a worse back up and have Demko play 80% of the season.
- Retinalz

90% of the posters are complete and utter morons.

33g 28a in 139 games

24g 48a in 153 games

Which do you like most?
- Nighthawk

I’d need the context. Ice time, age of player, physicality, PP time, linemates, sh%, scoring chances for/against when on the ice, etc.

Its probably between 2-3AAV over 2/3 term if a deal. What do you think arb award outrage would be?
- NuckUp

I probably wouldn't want to see anything above 2.5AVV for him. I could live with 2-3 years of Jake at that price.

But time is running out for him. I still have some hope that he can at least continue to improve his stats a bit next season, but only time will tell. Jake's fate rests solely in his hands.

90% of the posters are complete and utter morons.
- CanuckDon

And what % do you give this place?

and i doubt a flat cap will impact it either. benning better go in talking percentages of cap space to help but i imagine jake has a strong statistical case
- johnnykarate

the only issue is term. a player chooses arbitration and the team (if i'm not mistaken) chooses either a 1 or 2 year deal.

i could see benning and jake agreeing to a 3 or 4 year deal at a lower AAV than an arbitrator would award.

but honestly, if i'm jake's agent, i'm telling him to take it to arbitration and get the contract. putting up solid numbers (even if they are disguising things) will get him paid down the line.

on a concussion? uhhhm no. he can say that he feels fine (even if he doesn't.)

concussions are like soft tissue injuries; a lot of it is based on how the patient "feels."

a brain mri can show brain damage but it doesn't mean that the person is not functional with respect to a specific issue.

and if you think the LEAGUE!!!!!!! will allow a team to force a player not to play (when he wants to) because of concussion issues, you haven't been paying attention to sports.
- RealityChecker

The league allowed Hosa to LTIRetire because his of "allergic reaction" to his gear.

I don’t see him getting embarrassed at all, he just had a solid season, statistically speaking. That’s all that matters in arbitration.
- Nucker101

Just be a reasonable price tag, that's all I ask lol.

I probably wouldn't want to see anything above 2.5AVV for him. I could live with 2-3 years of Jake at that price.

But time is running out for him. I still have some hope that he can at least continue to improve his stats a bit next season, but only time will tell. Jake's fate rests solely in his hands.
- Lotto 6-40-9

As far as I'm concerned, he showed this year he can be a 40+ point guy. If he can play that level again this year as a middle 6 guy and actually show up in the playoffs there will be very little to complain about.

The league allowed Hosa to LTIRetire because his of "allergic reaction" to his gear.
- Retinalz

how many players are suing the league over allergy issues?

i'm talking liability.

and hossa wanted to retire. it wasn't the team retiring him.

btw, i think ferland retires or is put on forever LTIR. i just think he'll do it on his terms (when and if.) he sure as hell won't let the team decide for him if he wants to play.