If JV played hungry & not like a spoiled brat he’d get paid & be a core player. He hasn’t & no indication he will. If he goes to arbitration he will be debased & embarrassed.
- Nighthawk

If you were in the NHL you wouldn't take anything for granted? Is that why you dislike him? Jealousy?

I'm not nearly as down on Jake as some others on here. He's definitely been a project, but the progress has been there.

Unless he's looking for an outlandish contract (which I wouldn't see him getting anywhere right now), I think they're better off keeping him.
- Lotto 6-40-9

Double posting is kind of antagonistic.

if i'm his agent, i present this to the arbitrator:
Benning - Virtanen is a player we have spent a lot of time with. We think he is going to be a consistent 20 goal scorer moving forward. Lots of growing pains along the way, but that's the case with a lot of players.
- RealityChecker

right?
jake has the same 5v5 goals/60 as kassian who got $3.2/year and sundqvist who is at $2.75... his points per 60 is also top-100 league wide. as much as i hate him imo hes got an easy case for $3m

Loui will never play another game in Vancouver. We didn’t have TT before the TDL and we’re still in a position to make the playoffs. Our young players growth should ensure the forwards are fine. Defence is another story
- CanuckDon

I'll take that bet.

Maybe that can lead to him being humbled a bit. I wouldn't see embarrassment being a negative for Jake.
- Lotto 6-40-9

He needs a dose of reality.

right?
jake has the same 5v5 goals/60 as kassian who got $3.2/year and sundqvist who is at $2.75... his points per 60 is also top-100 league wide. as much as i hate him imo hes got an easy case for $3m
- johnnykarate

This matters much more to the arbitrator than JV’s work ethic lol

I'll take that bet.
- belcherbd

I feel like Don makes that promise every off-season

I probably wouldn't want to see anything above 2.5AVV for him. I could live with 2-3 years of Jake at that price.

But time is running out for him. I still have some hope that he can at least continue to improve his stats a bit next season, but only time will tell. Jake's fate rests solely in his hands.
- Lotto 6-40-9

That's more then fair but some will find that an outrage and others a discount he won't give. I think the professionals know better the market has changed.

I feel like Don makes that promise every off-season
- Nucker101

Virtanen haters in shambles
- Nucker101

A&W owners

Double posting is kind of antagonistic.
- Marwood

Haha, sorry about that. Ran into some loading issues and must've sent deuces.

Loui Eriksson is the equivalent of Messier for zoomers.

33g 28a in 139 games

24g 48a in 153 games

Which do you like most?
- Nighthawk

I'm not sure who you are using but you need to look at players who signed deal in the same scenario. Rodrigues is a recent example and got awarded 2M after a 9G 29pt season, it doesn't matter what his career numbers are.

Namistikov(sp) negotiated 4M after a 22G 44pt season.
Lindblom negotiated a 3M deal after 11G 18pts (in 30 games) season.

the only issue is term. a player chooses arbitration and the team (if i'm not mistaken) chooses either a 1 or 2 year deal.

i could see benning and jake agreeing to a 3 or 4 year deal at a lower AAV than an arbitrator would award.

but honestly, if i'm jake's agent, i'm telling him to take it to arbitration and get the contract. putting up solid numbers (even if they are disguising things) will get him paid down the line.
- RealityChecker

yeah arbitration and the cap crunch are in his favor here. take a good 1 year payout. see some spot time with petey or bo and get another raise

and i doubt a flat cap will impact it either. benning better go in talking percentages of cap space to help but i imagine jake has a strong statistical case
- johnnykarate

just reading through the cba and he won't be able to cite benning's tweet.

s. 12.9 (c) (iii) sets what is inadmissible. among others, (F) "Testimonials, videotapes, newspaper columns, press game reports or similar materials;" i would imagine that tweets covers that.

the flat cap/covid/world economy can't be brought up either.

(I)The financial condition of the Club or the League.

A&W owners


- A_SteamingLombardi

Just be a reasonable price tag, that's all I ask lol.
- Lotto 6-40-9

Arbitration is a gamble and I agree with Nucker, stats are what count not lifestyle. Interesting to see how this plays out.

right?
jake has the same 5v5 goals/60 as kassian who got $3.2/year and sundqvist who is at $2.75... his points per 60 is also top-100 league wide. as much as i hate him imo hes got an easy case for $3m
- johnnykarate

Jake doesn't get to play with McJesus or Drais but I would very much walk away anything over 2.5 for even a year.

just reading through the cba and he won't be able to cite benning's tweet.

s. 12.9 (c) (iii) sets what is inadmissible. among others, (F) "Testimonials, videotapes, newspaper columns, press game reports or similar materials;" i would imagine that tweets covers that.

the flat cap/covid/world economy can't be brought up either.

(I)The financial condition of the Club or the League.
- RealityChecker

Surely RFA/UFA agreements that are being signed NOW can be brought in, though, for the purpose of comparison? Also, wouldn’t recent agreements carry more weight than those signed 1-3 years ago?

If you were in the NHL you wouldn't take anything for granted? Is that why you dislike him? Jealousy?
- manvanfan

I take nothing for granted in anything.
I don’t dislike him I don’t believe in him.
More like pity he wastes his gifts.

right?
jake has the same 5v5 goals/60 as kassian who got $3.2/year and sundqvist who is at $2.75... his points per 60 is also top-100 league wide. as much as i hate him imo hes got an easy case for $3m
- johnnykarate

Easy minutes for a 3rd liner

Jake doesn't get to play with McJesus or Drais but I would very much walk away anything over 2.5 for even a year.
- manvanfan

You can’t, the arbitrators award is binding unless it’s over four million dollars I believe.

just reading through the cba and he won't be able to cite benning's tweet.

s. 12.9 (c) (iii) sets what is inadmissible. among others, (F) "Testimonials, videotapes, newspaper columns, press game reports or similar materials;" i would imagine that tweets covers that.

the flat cap/covid/world economy can't be brought up either.

(I)The financial condition of the Club or the League.
- RealityChecker

yeah i thought that might be it. like nucker said itll be very numbers based and i think kassians deal is the most recent with almost identical numbers over the last 3 years

I'm not sure who you are using but you need to look at players who signed deal in the same scenario. Rodrigues is a recent example and got awarded 2M after a 9G 29pt season, it doesn't matter what his career numbers are.

Namistikov(sp) negotiated 4M after a 22G 44pt season.
Lindblom negotiated a 3M deal after 11G 18pts (in 30 games) season.
- belcherbd

Jake’s numbers last 2 years

Connor Brown past 2yrs

Surely RFA/UFA agreements that are being signed NOW can be brought in, though, for the purpose of comparison? Also, wouldn’t recent agreements carry more weight than those signed 1-3 years ago?
- SlightlyOffside

i don't think i was being clear (friday afternoon ftw).

for sure you can cite other contracts.

you just can't say that the team (whatever team) is losing money, can't afford it blah blah blah. or say/cite league revenues declining etc.

for sure they (the team or player) want to cite contracts (and the fresher the better.)