I’d avoid both if long term. If I had to pick one, it’s whoever will accept the shorter contract.
- Nucker101

that's the kind of thinking that got gillman canned.

Any player who plays top 6 minutes with Petey or Bo will have their points go up. It's the Janik Hansen effect.

Who did you want him to supplant in the playoffs? The top 6 was set before TT got injured. Had Jake come into camp in shape, ready to go, building off his season, then I'm positive TG would have played him more. But it's no one's fault but JV's that his lazy work ethic cost him those opportunities. There's no one to blame for his short comings other than himself.

And if JV was such a dynamo, it wouldn't matter who he played with. He'd put up points. He'd cause havoc. He's make teams alter their game plans. He'd be like Tuch was against us. But he's not – that's not who he is.
- NewYorkNuck

Yeah because he came out of shape to pre season and ended up scoring 18 goals and having a career year. That's JV's fault for having a career year.

18 goals and 18 assists in the regular season put him 7th on the team in scoring. 7th highest scoring player 6th among forwards and you put him on the 4th line in the playoffs. With players who had a combined 16 points in the regular season and his expectations should go up? You've got to be kidding.

So according the EK, the Flames are already talking to Marky's agent a day early?
- Retinalz

LOL I just saw EK said to 'keep an eye on Calgary'...

Just stirring shat

1st turned into JT Miller thats a win
Elias win
Brock win
Hughes win
Madden win
Gaudette id say probable win
rafferty looks like hes gonna be good
rathbone similar
juolevi may indeed be fine
hoglander looks good
podkolzin well see
kole lind well see

overall hes done well man does he trade too many picks yup does he sign rediculous contracts yup but I think hes beyond that now and expect after sutts and loui are done he wont make those mistakes again.
- Jkuzzi

I am also fine with paying what we did for Toffoli at the time. Showed the kids that management believes in them, and that is huge. If not for Covid it would look better as we would ahve definitely signed him by now.

So we should waste 3-4 years sucking to build more young depth that may or may not helps us compete(Like the Oilers and Sabres did)?Bos is 25 so we have 5-7 years of him playing at a high level for competing. EP and Hughes will still be young when Bo declines. Now is the time to improve the team to compete as we have U20 players that will come in and improve our team/depth over the next couple years now, and we still have time during EP/QH window to instert more youth down the road. Our young core puts us in win now mode for the next 10 years at least.
- Retinalz

well said.

Markstrom and Calgary in close talks...

E5


- LordHumungous

I wanted to get rid of Markstrom last year with only a year left on his contract. Hindsight.

Thomas Drance
@ThomasDrance
Can also confirm that the #Canucks have decided not to split their ~$1.7 million bonus overage from the 2019-20 season (from Hughes and Pettersson maxing out Schedule A bonuses) between the next two years.

The club will carry the full hit in this upcoming 2020-21 league year.




The right move

So we should waste 3-4 years sucking to build more young depth that may or may not helps us compete(Like the Oilers and Sabres did)?Bos is 25 so we have 5-7 years of him playing at a high level for competing. EP and Hughes will still be young when Bo declines. Now is the time to improve the team to compete as we have U20 players that will come in and improve our team/depth over the next couple years now, and we still have time during EP/QH window to instert more youth down the road. Our young core puts us in win now mode for the next 10 years at least.
- Retinalz

They have a core now.

If the Canucks continue to draft as they have, it should be a strong yearly rotation of adding a young player and trading away who isn't the best fit.

Obviously the bottom 6 is not working, so why bring back the whole bottom 6 again, make moves allow for a younger player to show if they can supplement or not. TDL is for filling holes if the team is ready not the off season.

Darren Dreger
@DarrenDreger
Seems like Arizona is waiting for Boston to make its move on OEL, but the Bruins don’t like the asking price. Meanwhile, Vancouver remains an option with tomorrow’s deadline looming.
9:05 AM · Oct 8, 2020·Twitter for iPhone

Thomas Drance
@ThomasDrance
Can also confirm that the #Canucks have decided not to split their ~$1.7 million bonus overage from the 2019-20 season (from Hughes and Pettersson maxing out Schedule A bonuses) between the next two years.

The club will carry the full hit in this upcoming 2020-21 league year.




The right move
- Nucker101

So they lose another 1.7 on the cap this season.

Darren Dreger
@DarrenDreger
Seems like Arizona is waiting for Boston to make its move on OEL, but the Bruins don’t like the asking price. Meanwhile, Vancouver remains an option with tomorrow’s deadline looming.
9:05 AM · Oct 8, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
- VanHockeyGuy

you gotta love how these guys just keep posting the same thing every few hours and pass it along as an “update”

So they lose another 1.7 on the cap this season.
- manvanfan

Yes

you gotta love how these guys just keep posting the same thing every few hours and pass it along as an “update”
- Nucker101

Can't see Boston getting a good deal. Don't have enough assets and don't have enough depth in the NHL. High picks or their best prospects which they could do but doesn't sound like they want too.


Van has good assets and more than enough capable NHL depth but can't take on 8.25M

So we should waste 3-4 years sucking to build more young depth that may or may not helps us compete(Like the Oilers and Sabres did)?Bos is 25 so we have 5-7 years of him playing at a high level for competing. EP and Hughes will still be young when Bo declines. Now is the time to improve the team to compete as we have U20 players that will come in and improve our team/depth over the next couple years now, and we still have time during EP/QH window to instert more youth down the road. Our young core puts us in win now mode for the next 10 years at least.
- Retinalz

Why would we be sucking? The team is young and competitive, although a bubble team, there’s nothing wrong with building for a couple more years and slowly adding. You can’t rush it or you end up making mistakes.

Why would we be sucking? The team is young and competitive, although a bubble team, there’s nothing wrong with building for a couple more years and slowly adding. You can’t rush it or you end up making mistakes.
- Pacificgem

Exactly, Miller was a time and place good add last season. That isn't happening every year. Sometimes you take a step back to take two steps forward.

I wanted to get rid of Markstrom last year with only a year left on his contract. Hindsight.
- manvanfan

I'm actually ok if Marky walks. I think his ongoing groin problems will be a long term issue.

Yeah because he came out of shape to pre season and ended up scoring 18 goals and having a career year. That's JV's fault for having a career year.

18 goals and 18 assists in the regular season put him 7th on the team in scoring. 7th highest scoring player 6th among forwards and you put him on the 4th line in the playoffs. With players who had a combined 16 points in the regular season and his expectations should go up? You've got to be kidding.
- manvanfan

There was a what, 3 month layoff between the regular season and playoffs? JV came into the regular preseason out of shape, and worked his way up over the course of the year. Good for him on setting those highs. Then, he came into the post-season training camp out of shape again. They didn't have the same amount of time to get him going – that's on him. I'm not saying his expectations should go up, but if he's a top 6 player he would elevate those around him – or at least look like a player who should be played up there. He didn't, save maybe one game in the playoffs, look like someone who shouldn't be in the bottom 6.

He's trending up, but is highly inconsistent and invisible for large stretches. Do you think he's living up to his potential? Do you think he's giving it everything he has, 24/7, to be the best hockey player?

Can't see Boston getting a good deal. Don't have enough assets and don't have enough depth in the NHL. High picks or their best prospects which they could do but doesn't sound like they want too.


Van has good assets and more than enough capable NHL depth but can't take on 8.25M
- manvanfan

I’ve read that the Yotes prefer dealing with Boston since they have a hard-on for more of their prospects but Boston won’t part with the ones they want. Seems like the Arizona GM is hoping that one of VAN/BOS suddenly up their offer at the last minute.

I still won’t be surprised if OEL ends up staying, the Yotes GM seems like a stubborn dude lol.

I'm actually ok if Marky walks. I think his ongoing groin problems will be a long term issue.
- LordHumungous

I'm okay with Marky walking too because I don't really care how good the goalie is if the team in front of him plays the way they did with the players they have.

Why would we be sucking? The team is young and competitive, although a bubble team, there’s nothing wrong with building for a couple more years and slowly adding. You can’t rush it or you end up making mistakes.
- Pacificgem

Thats just the thing it's always a 'couple more years'. Sooner or later you have to go all in...albeit responsibly

I’ve read that the Yotes prefer dealing with Boston since they have a hard-on for more of their prospects but Boston won’t part with the ones they want. Seems like the Arizona GM is hoping that one of VAN/BOS suddenly up their offer at the last minute.

I still won’t be surprised if OEL ends up staying, the Yotes GM seems like a stubborn dude lol.
- Nucker101

Armstrong yeah, first off season, he's got to make a statement that Arizona won't be pushed around like when ol John C was there.

He doesn't "have to" move OEL. Just best for the long term interests of the club.

Van can offer up Jurmo in a deal now too.

Why would we be sucking? The team is young and competitive, although a bubble team, there’s nothing wrong with building for a couple more years and slowly adding. You can’t rush it or you end up making mistakes.
- Pacificgem

The goal should never be "Let's be content with being a bubble team for the next few years. We will compete eventually when our picks make the NHL."
The problem when "building for a couple more years" when you have a young core ready to compete now, is you become the Oilers, or Buffalo. Last year we proved that we are more then just a simple bubble team. It is time to improve on that. If that means paying a few assets for a top pairing #1 Dman(at worst a 1.5) then we do it. His cap hit of 8.25 is fine if we get the right cap dump(s) in the deal as well. He is not overpaid for what he is.

I’ve read that the Yotes prefer dealing with Boston since they have a hard-on for more of their prospects but Boston won’t part with the ones they want. Seems like the Arizona GM is hoping that one of VAN/BOS suddenly up their offer at the last minute.

I still won’t be surprised if OEL ends up staying, the Yotes GM seems like a stubborn dude lol.
- Nucker101

Owners won't be happy if he does. Based on reports they really don't seem to want to pay the next 3 years for him(after this) and this may be their only shot to trade him for any value.

Thats just the thing it's always a 'couple more years'. Sooner or later you have to go all in...albeit responsibly
- LordHumungous

Agreed, Bo, EP, and Hughes have shown that they are worth building around now, and not waiting to do it.

Thats just the thing it's always a 'couple more years'. Sooner or later you have to go all in...albeit responsibly
- LordHumungous

I mean Hog was drafted last year and there’s talk about him already making the team next year, Pod is supposedly a plug and play prospect once his KHL contract is up. The game has changed with more speed/skill and less physicality, kids are ready sooner nowadays, the really good prospects don’t spend 4 years developing anymore.

Why can’t we achieve to be like Tampa? We have the high end homegrown talent already, now we just need to build around them properly instead of blowing our loads on overpriced/old UFA’s.