This is a problem on the internet in general
- Nucker101

I've still never been banned.

Colorado kind of did the same thing. Got a high pick and a couple years later sucked again for a year or two and added some high picks.

Maybe that's what Van should do. Purge a bit in a year to get a better draft pick. Trying to add another real good player drafting mid rounds isn't as easy drafting top 10. Possibly winning a lotto spot then.
- manvanfan

Exactly, the Avalanche did the same thing as well, time is very much on the Canucks side.

I've still never been banned.
- manvanfan

I wouldn't be proud of that.

It's tiresome listening to fans try to defend someone who lacks maturity and after numerous meetings, offers of high level dieticians, chefs, trainers, JV still can't get it together. Did he put up good numbers? Sure, but so did dozens of other tweeners on other teams who are being walked away from because they're just going to be too expensive to keep around in a flat cap world and he's been given enough chances. He was drafted 6th overall as a 1st line RW power forward, he hasn't developed into that, hasn't earned that ice time and quite frankly never will. Saying he's a complimentary player on a line is saying he's useless unless everyone else does the work for him and he just sweeps up the pieces. You know who we had that wanted millions for that? Anson Carter, who basically just stayed in front of the net and let Daniel shoot the puck and let it bounce in off of his body or stick shaft and got 30 goals out of it. JV is exactly the same, the only difference is, he's a BC boy and too many people are fixated on having as many players from BC on the Canucks regardless of whether or not they're fits for the team or even worth the price.

For every Troy Stetcher who grew up here and worked his ass off to at least be worth attempting to resign (at a much lower price) you have JV who has all the tools, but no brains and no willingness to put it all together consistantly or even show that he CAN be consistant. I'm not going to be upset if he goes, I won't be upset if they keep him, but I will be upset if they try and spend assets to "give him someone who can drive the play" because frankly, that's a worst waste of time, resources and assets then trading him for something and wishing him well in his future endeavours.
- DariusKnight

Ok, so find a replacement for him. Give me some examples of players that would be better for cheaper than do what he does in a season. Find me the hits per 60 because that's what they want out of him. Find the 15-20 goal scorer because that's what is expected of him. Playing 13 minutes a game. Say 14 minutes per game because he played 13:05 avg.

I will even go look myself.

I’m fine with making those moves but I’m saying that expensive UFA’s is probably the worst way to go about it
- Nucker101

The expensive UFA's were before EP and Hughes and we were still 5+ years from needing to worry about anything. They were also made knowing that the cap was going up every season. If we had the extra (projected) 5m cap this year, there would be far fewer complaints about cap and our bad contracts right now. It would also be easier to dump them.

The expensive UFA's were before EP and Hughes and we were still 5+ years from needing to worry about anything. They were also made knowing that the cap was going up every season. If we had the extra (projected) 5m cap this year, there would be far fewer complaints about cap and our bad contracts right now. It would also be easier to dump them.
- Retinalz

I’m talking from here on out though. Until LE is off the books, I’d avoid UFA overpays

You know what’s wrong with this place, and that includes me being guilty of it, is that just because someone has a different opinion than you we start to attack them personally. He just has a different opinion than you, why can’t that be OK?
- Pacificgem

Literally this:

This is tiresome and not worth the pixels. JV just isn't a good enough player despite having all the tools to be. Clearly you see otherwise. All good.
- NewYorkNuck

No kidding it's tiresome listening to some Canucks fans who cry for hitting and scoring in a player for years and then when one comes around all they do is cry about it because he hasn't lived up to the exceeding high expectations of some comparable that comes around once every 10 years.
- manvanfan

I said fine – he responded with some asinine response instead of just letting it go. Sure, probably could have left out the break part, but not sure how that falls on me to not have different opinions be okay, when I literally said that's fine.

I wouldn't be proud of that.
- VanHockeyGuy

Who here is for or against Wayne Simmons? Just curious.

Ok, so find a replacement for him. Give me some examples of players that would be better for cheaper than do what he does in a season. Find me the hits per 60 because that's what they want out of him. Find the 15-20 goal scorer because that's what is expected of him. Playing 13 minutes a game.

I will even go look myself.
- manvanfan

Easily, Hoglander, Podz, Lind (potentially) all can do the exact same things JV can on ELC rates and probably for less ice time than he got. JV isn't indispensible or a core piece. The problem is that he's too good for the AHL and not good enough to be more than a bottom 6 tweener on his own without spending more cap dollars/assets to find him linemates that will drag him around while still being productive themselves. That's the whole point both NewYorkNuck and I are making.

And this is not a personal attack on you, I have no history/beef so please people don't get offended when I make a comment on their point. Retinalz knows me personally and I'm not the kind of person to attack people for having opinions I disagree with.

Who here is for or against Wayne Simmons? Just curious.
- Nucker101

No thank you.

Who here is for or against Wayne Simmons? Just curious.
- Nucker101

For how much?

Literally this:





I said fine – he responded with some asinine response instead of just letting it go. Sure, probably could have left out the break part, but not sure how that falls on me to not have different opinions be okay, when I literally said that's fine.
- NewYorkNuck

Sorry, it wasn’t solely directed at you, just a general statement as I could see a seemingly cordial conversation going downhill quickly....which happens here a lot.

To the best of my recollection they didn’t start making moves to be competitive two years after they drafted Steve Stamkos, it wasn’t until well into his Tampa Bay Lightning tenure that they had the assets to start making moves and trade picks. To me that’s a huge difference than what you’d like to do way too early in the Quinn Hughes and Elias Pettersson Canuck careers.
- Pacificgem

They did start making moves and trades to improve in Stamkos' D+4 season.

Who here is for or against Wayne Simmons? Just curious.
- Nucker101

I’m talking from here on out though. Until LE is off the books, I’d avoid UFA overpays
- Nucker101

Agreed, this is why I hope LE goes in an OEL trade, covers their want for another puck moving dman. If we don't get him, I feel that Barrie will be a Canucks. I don't see an overpayment though since he seems to want to be a Canuck fairly badly in the past.

They did start making moves and trades to improve in Stamkos' D+4 season.
- Retinalz

New ownership taking over in 2010 was massive for them

Agreed, this is why I hope LE goes in an OEL trade, covers their want for another puck moving dman. If we don't get him, I feel that Barrie will be a Canucks. I don't see an overpayment though since he seems to want to be a Canuck fairly badly in the past.
- Retinalz

That’s fair. I just think he’s a straight up bad defender, he needs more sheltering than Hughes for sure. Just seems like a weird fit since he won’t be on PP1 either. To me he’s just not a fit here.

They did start making moves and trades to improve in Stamkos' D+4 season.
- Retinalz

Yes I looked, they made some moves but it wasn’t until his tenth season they went all in adding McDonagh and Miller, some higher end guys. I’m just of the opinion we have time, Pettersson and Hughes are gonna be good players for a long time.

For how much?
- NorthNuck

Guessing like 2M-ish on short term? Maybe a bit lower depending on who else is interested.


My current guesses for Canucks moves is one of OEL/Barrie + Simmonds

Easily, Hoglander, Podz, Lind (potentially) all can do the exact same things JV can on ELC rates and probably for less ice time than he got. JV isn't indispensible or a core piece. The problem is that he's too good for the AHL and not good enough to be more than a bottom 6 tweener on his own without spending more cap dollars/assets to find him linemates that will drag him around while still being productive themselves. That's the whole point both NewYorkNuck and I are making.

And this is not a personal attack on you, I have no history/beef so please people don't get offended when I make a comment on their point. Retinalz knows me personally and I'm not the kind of person to attack people for having opinions I disagree with.
- DariusKnight

I'm not offended at all.

I never said JV wasn't indispensable or a core piece. The claim was made and as you said is a bottom 6 tweener. 18 goals this season in a league that will pay Evander Kane and Jeff Skinner over 7M a year because of goal scoring.

New ownership taking over in 2010 was massive for them
- Nucker101

And Hedman and Stamkos were drafted 1-2

I’m fine with making those moves but I’m saying that expensive UFA’s is probably the worst way to go about it
- Nucker101

That's where you're wrong overpaying to push you over the top is the way to go. We don't make the playoffs without Sutter, Beagle, roussel, Erikson, Myers. You need to have overpaid veterans on the team to show the youth that if they work hard enough, they can get over paid when their turn comes up.

Agreed, this is why I hope LE goes in an OEL trade, covers their want for another puck moving dman. If we don't get him, I feel that Barrie will be a Canucks. I don't see an overpayment though since he seems to want to be a Canuck fairly badly in the past.
- Retinalz

I hope not. He just duplicates Hughes and Benning will over pay.

Was hoping Josh Leivo would get re-signed. Solid 3rd line guy that can play up and down the line up.