It’s so funny to me this whole rage in social media about small vrs big guys in hockey.

Like during the draft if a team drafted a big tough guy it was automatically assumed they over rated him and he has zero skill or hockey sense. These people get so mad if a smaller skilled guy gets under valued while having no clue they could be doing the same thing to the big guy.

Leafs loved it when they drafted Bracco a few years ago because “he fell” in the draft cause he was small, but he had soooo much skill and brains they said. Update, the Leafs did not qualify bracco. They no longer value that so called tremendous skill in a small package I guess.
- Ross77

Yes, Leafs are now looking for same thing as Jets - grit!

Columbus traded former 2nd overall pick
Ryan Murray to the Devils for a 5th round pick, also traded another LHD in Nuutivara for almost nothing in return, wonder what they're planning to do with that $7.3M in cap space they opened up today..... Trading for Laine??

Yes, Leafs are now looking for same thing as Jets - grit!
- grahamzky

One of the toughest guys I watched in the NHL was a small guy named Tie Domi.

Yes, Leafs are now looking for same thing as Jets - grit!
- grahamzky

I hope the leafs sign Wayne Simmonds. He’s possibly 4 years past what should have been his retirement date

Columbus traded former 2nd overall pick
Ryan Murray to the Devils for a 5th round pick, also traded another LHD in Nuutivara for almost nothing in return, wonder what they're planning to do with that $7.3M in cap space they opened up today..... Trading for Laine??
- JetFuel

Looks like they may putting something together.

My dream trade for Laine would be acquiring Seth Jones, even though that will not happen, it's my dream!

One of the toughest guys I watched in the NHL was a small guy named Tie Domi.
- TheUltimateJet

Exactly, the height or weight of a player is way over exaggerated

Exactly, the height or weight of a player is way over exaggerated
- Ross77

Columbus traded former 2nd overall pick
Ryan Murray to the Devils for a 5th round pick, also traded another LHD in Nuutivara for almost nothing in return, wonder what they're planning to do with that $7.3M in cap space they opened up today..... Trading for Laine??
- JetFuel

I think they are up over 11 million in cap space now and there are rumours they want taylor hall but I’m assuming most of that cap space will go to locking up pierre luc dubois. He will be around 7 x 7

One of the toughest guys I watched in the NHL was a small guy named Tie Domi.
- TheUltimateJet

You're right, you don't have to be huge. But you have to show up when the bell rings. Lots of tough small guys, I agree.

I think they are up over 11 million in cap space now and there are rumours they want taylor hall but I’m assuming most of that cap space will go to locking up pierre luc dubois. He will be around 7 x 7
- Ross77

They've got about 18 million in cap space with Dubinsky going on LTIR, they've also got Gavrikov to sign but he should only be a few mill at most, they should have a decent chunk of space left to do something else, not sure what Dubois is going to get though.

I hope the leafs sign Wayne Simmonds. He’s possibly 4 years past what should have been his retirement date
- Ross77

Oh so do I. Hard time believing the Leafs may be chasing him. His best days are long behind him it seems.

So how is that different than a bigger guy not developing as hoped?
- Ross77

Because the bigger guys usually don’t have skill. Skill is a non-teachable quality.

Looks like they may putting something together.

My dream trade for Laine would be acquiring Seth Jones, even though that will not happen, it's my dream!
- TheUltimateJet

Jones is Pionk again.

Oddly enough, Murray is a perfect 2/3 dman

Looks like they may putting something together.

My dream trade for Laine would be acquiring Seth Jones, even though that will not happen, it's my dream!
- TheUltimateJet

First thought is the Jackets are after Pietrangelo or Krug. But with Werenski and Jones, that's probably not happening.

Probably Taylor Hall, but one never knows.

Because the bigger guys usually don’t have skill. Skill is a non-teachable quality.
- Rexypoo

Rexy, common, this is pure speculation, assumption and discrimination without any facts, reason or proof. It’s exactly what I said was laughable a few posts ago.

Assuming every small player is super skilled and every big player isn’t, is just wrong.

I have said many times!!! People develop differently and it’s not always the team or players fault for their development. A human being can peak at 17 or 24. No one can say for certain.

Jones is Pionk again.

Oddly enough, Murray is a perfect 2/3 dman
- Rexypoo

Jones is Pionk again??? You mean the same value of a player?

Less than 15% of players drafted after round two go on to have any kind of solid NHL career. Of those 15% there is no consistency in big, tall, short or skinny As to late round gems. For every Datsuk there is a big Buff, for every johnny Guadreau a Jamie Benn.
Players develop skills, speed, muscle whatever differently and on different timelines.
Right now the 5’9, 145 pound Super skilled D we drafted in round 5 has the same odds against him as the 6’4, 200 pound stay at home punishing D we drafted in round 6 to making it to the NHL.

Jones is Pionk again??? You mean the same value of a player?
- grahamzky

The ability

Maybe, but:
Krug, Morrissey, DeMelo, Pionk, Poolman - yes
Samberg and Heinola - one or both start with Moose?
Niku - trade bait in my books
Dahlstrom - Moose or waived
And who's going to be the first one hurt?

IMO could use another.
- grahamzky

100% Correct. I would assess the situation exactly the same. Niku might be the only mystery in that equation. He still has the camp to prove himself otherwise he is moving on. He has potential but definitely not as a top pairing Dman.

Less than 15% of players drafted after round two go on to have any kind of solid NHL career. Of those 15% there is no consistency in big, tall, short or skinny As to late round gems. For every Datsuk there is a big Buff, for every johnny Guadreau a Jamie Benn.
Players develop skills, speed, muscle whatever differently and on different timelines.
Right now the 5’9, 145 pound Super skilled D we drafted in round 5 has the same odds against him as the 6’4, 200 pound stay at home punishing D we drafted in round 6 to making it to the NHL.
- Ross77

Production prior to drafting is the best way to judge potential

Less than 15% of players drafted after round two go on to have any kind of solid NHL career. Of those 15% there is no consistency in big, tall, short or skinny As to late round gems. For every Datsuk there is a big Buff, for every johnny Guadreau a Jamie Benn.
Players develop skills, speed, muscle whatever differently and on different timelines.
Right now the 5’9, 145 pound Super skilled D we drafted in round 5 has the same odds against him as the 6’4, 200 pound stay at home punishing D we drafted in round 6 to making it to the NHL.
- Ross77

Anton Johannesson has a considerably better chance of making the NHL from what we know right now than Tyrel Bauer. We know that.
We know that Logan Stanley was valued as a 3rd or 4th rounder by almost every piece of information and statistical analysis we had on him going in.

Drafting isn’t voodoo. It’s not some sort of mystical guessing game. If you’re drafting a player whom is considered low skill at the junior level, what makes you think they’ll make it in the best league?
The only reason half of our D picks were even drafted (Stanley, Cederholm, Kostalek, Bauer) is because of their size. You don’t see smaller players with that level of production getting drafted, because there’s nothing there.

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Why yes, I do think I could do a better job than half of the NHL GMs right now

The ability
- Rexypoo

Have to disagree 100% there. Pionk only wishes he was Seth Jones IMO. But each to their own.

Production prior to drafting is the best way to judge potential
- Rexypoo

You think? (Sarcasm)

Anton Johannesson has a considerably better chance of making the NHL from what we know right now than Tyrel Bauer. We know that.
We know that Logan Stanley was valued as a 3rd or 4th rounder by almost every piece of information and statistical analysis we had on him going in.

Drafting isn’t voodoo. It’s not some sort of mystical guessing game. If you’re drafting a player whom is considered low skill at the junior level, what makes you think they’ll make it in the best league?
The only reason half of our D picks were even drafted (Stanley, Cederholm, Kostalek, Bauer) is because of their size. You don’t see smaller players with that level of production getting drafted, because there’s nothing there.
- Rexypoo

If drafting isn’t voodo and it’s an easy Formula then explain why less than 15% after round 2 have significant careers?

Logan Stanly is low hanging fruit. I haven’t seen luke Green lighting it up yet. But I’m sure you’ll have some excuses for him.

Do you know how many D drafted after Logan Stanly I the ENTIRE draft that year have played more than 70 games thus far in the NHL? 6. In a 7 round draft 5 years ago, 6 D drafted after Stanly have played over 70 NHL games.

And 5th and round 6th round picks have the same odds of making it, next to none.