Supposedly Nate Schmitt for Roslovic. Hawks don ‘t have a Nate Schmitt
- LAHawk

They still need to move more to sign Pietro. Plus Roslovic is a RFA prolly in the 1.5ish range or slightly more.

Supposedly Nate Schmitt for Roslovic. Hawks don ‘t have a Nate Schmitt
- LAHawk

A possible scenario? Vegas signs Pietrangelo and moves Schmidt and gets a young cheap forward in return. Not bad, though they still have cap problems and have to figurre out what to do with Fleury.

They still need to move more to sign Pietro. Plus Roslovic is a RFA prolly in the 1.5ish range or slightly more.
- Elbows15

And WPG over the cap too if this happens. Laine on the move?

My opinion is the financial situation of the league currently has more of an affect on their value.

to move either Toews or Kane a few things would have to happen. Retaining salary. Taking back one or more really bad contracts with term, the players have to agree to the deal and the return would have to be at least perceptively better than letting either play out their contracts. Some of those conditions are going to be hard to find.

Keith is just old and what value does he really have at this point to another team? I have no idea.

Seabrook is just plain unmoveable unless the Hawks are willing to give away assets. Which they should not be doing.
- Elbows15

In this financial market, between Toews, Kane and Keith, they have cash earnings of $16MM next season compared to a cap hit of $26MM. Perhaps that’s of value to a team that would have cap space but would be looking to save on cash. Retaining some salary would add to the value.

Of course, the location would also have to be attractive to them.

Supposedly Nate Schmitt for Roslovic. Hawks don ‘t have a Nate Schmitt
- LAHawk

Always liked the way Schmidt skated going back to WSH. His name was rarely mentioned as a 6th/7th Dman for WSH but the guy could really skate.......... Just checked, he has FIVE more yrs at 5.9 per and is 29. If the rumor is true shows how desperate WPG is for Dmen.

LVG despite the fancies don't finish well and Hellybuyck sees 45 shots a night. Good fit these two but a Murhpy or DeHaan provide legit NHL Dmen and less cost and term.

Maybe this kinda scenario is why StanBow moved Saad for the Cossack Dman? Dmen are more valuable than forwards generally speaking and Stan plans to move a Murhpy or DeHaan for a Roslovich type and the Russian is needed to fill their slot?

Never seems to work out this way though, where Stan plays chess instead of checkers.

Geez Stan is the Grinch. How about St Louis trading for and signing Falk for more money thanPetro was making, then they sign Krug for what Petro would of signed for, what Vegas is doing to MAF the face of the franchise, etc. How about when the Dallas owner called out Ben and Seguin saying they are not earning their salary. aEichel is unhappy in Buffalo, how about Kane for Eichel.
- LAHawk

Careful, you'll ruin the narrative

Not that I wanna change anyone's mind but Saad's fancies his whole career have been excellent by most any measure and he passes the eye test if you aren't expecting 60-65 points. Corsi, HDCF, HDCA, xGF and on and on are on the plus side. The kid can not not play an honest 200 ft game whether it's because it's in his DNA or his first coaches at 5yrs old drove that into him.

He's a perfect 3rd liner. He can play a shutdown responsible game and has 50 pt skills with +++ speed with good size and can reasonably slot up when needed. Problem is at 6 mil per, even prepandemic, is too much for that slotting.

These kinds are valuable. As we see the market can and does change from yr to yr but his skills and versatality should bring more than what he did. If anything Stan's timing was poor.
- Mr Ricochet

I would say that objectively Saad is a top 6 player and a luxury on a 3rd line.

In terms of even strength points for LWs, Saad was 33rd this season and he was 22nd last season. His EVP/GP puts him in a similar range. If you compare him to RWs, he'd have been 13th and 26th respectfully for this season and last. I feel like that is still worth his $6m contract but either way he is definitively putting up top 6 quality production in comparison to the league while also bringing in all the other qualities you mentioned his underlying numbers indicate.

I do agree with your last point - the timing of this trade is a major reason the return is lackluster.

Geez Stan is the Grinch. How about St Louis trading for and signing Falk for more money thanPetro was making, then they sign Krug for what Petro would of signed for, what Vegas is doing to MAF the face of the franchise, etc. How about when the Dallas owner called out Ben and Seguin saying they are not earning their salary. aEichel is unhappy in Buffalo, how about Kane for Eichel.
- LAHawk

Some other teams making bad trades and PR moves doesn't negate that the Saad trade and disgruntled core are also bad for the Hawks.

I mean, Idk about you but I don't want the Hawks to become Buffalo. And I'm not saying they will! I just think the FO could have gone about this in a better manner. That's not exactly a hyperbolic stance.

Always liked the way Schmidt skated going back to WSH. His name was rarely mentioned as a 6th/7th Dman for WSH but the guy could really skate.......... Just checked, he has FIVE more yrs at 5.9 per and is 29. If the rumor is true shows how desperate WPG is for Dmen.

LVG despite the fancies don't finish well and Hellybuyck sees 45 shots a night. Good fit these two but a Murhpy or DeHaan provide legit NHL Dmen and less cost and term.

Maybe this kinda scenario is why StanBow moved Saad for the Cossack Dman? Dmen are more valuable than forwards generally speaking and Stan plans to move a Murhpy or DeHaan for a Roslovich type and the Russian is needed to fill their slot?

Never seems to work out this way though, where Stan plays chess instead of checkers.
- Mr Ricochet

Yes Mr Ricochet you play or appear to call it nicely. I get a kick out of your ending. We shall see all that Bowman has accomplished in the opening few games. Then this board will probably light up like a Christmas tree. Only problem may be there is holiday cheer for the holiday season but not much cheerfulness for the Blackhawks

Maybe we sing: take the attack Blackhawks. .Mighty Blackhawks. Let's go Blackhawks........

........Into the dumpster fire perhaps. Sorry I do not recall the exact words of the Blackhawks song.

My opinion is the financial situation of the league currently has more of an affect on their value.

to move either Toews or Kane a few things would have to happen. Retaining salary. Taking back one or more really bad contracts with term, the players have to agree to the deal and the return would have to be at least perceptively better than letting either play out their contracts. Some of those conditions are going to be hard to find.

Keith is just old and what value does he really have at this point to another team? I have no idea.

Seabrook is just plain unmoveable unless the Hawks are willing to give away assets. Which they should not be doing.
- Elbows15

Yes, yes, yes, yes and yes I think.

Disclaimer: I'm an old school old guy - I was brought up to believe that the boss was the boss and the subordinates did what they were told, if they didn't they would need to find a new job. Period.

Having said that, unfortunately (IMO) it's not that way very much anymore. The inmates running the asylum is becoming more the rule than the exception and it seems pro sports are at the forefront of this change in the way things are done. So maybe it's not exceptional or noteworthy when a player speaks out about not receiving the proper deference from management regarding management decisions.

Remember there is history here too. Both Toews and Keith have spoken out before, questioning Stan's moves. If I were Stan, I would go out of my way to not consult with them to prove a point - that I'm the boss and they are not. But then again, that's just me and my old fashion ways and maybe that's wrong nowadays.

I would say that objectively Saad is a top 6 player and a luxury on a 3rd line.

In terms of even strength points for LWs, Saad was 33rd this season and he was 22nd last season. His EVP/GP puts him in a similar range. If you compare him to RWs, he'd have been 13th and 26th respectfully for this season and last. I feel like that is still worth his $6m contract but either way he is definitively putting up top 6 quality production in comparison to the league while also bringing in all the other qualities you mentioned his underlying numbers indicate.

I do agree with your last point - the timing of this trade is a major reason the return is lackluster.
- L_B_R

He's also a rental on top of all other things.

Well winning the draft lottery and picking 2nd last year kind of helps
- BetweenTheDots

Yes your absolutely correct. Some pot luck is needed . 2 contracts or players stan should have let walk bickell and seabrook. Bickell was always a 4th line player who never was a contributing factor and his lucky playoff performance while everyone respects what he did then hockey is still a business.


Seabrook was already over 30, age mileage from all the playing he had done and what would be the upside of keeping him? Seabrook should have been offered either a 4 or 5 year deal without all the added safeties in his contract or allowed to walk.


Those 2 decisions imo hurt chicago because bickell 4 million contract and his only worth was always bottom 6 we had to give up tevo whom is everything chicago hoped for and seabrooks contract for 8nyears on a declining defensemen doesn't allow chicago to seriously rebuild this team.


Keith's contract was always going to be a issue and yet stan never considered that into his longterm plans with his future contracts.

All the mediocre talent chicago received in their trades or signings


Hot mess

He's also a rental on top of all other things.
- rpeters01

Whether that's a positive or negative depends on the team imo. For Colorado, it's a plus because it means Saad won't impact their ability to resign Landeskog, Makar, or a goalie after this season. Same would be true of several other teams like Boston or Pittsburgh

At the very least, I would have hoped the Hawks might have been able to retain more to get at least a prospect in the deal.

That and other than their one Cup appearance since '95, where they essentially earned the right to lose to the Hawks or the Kings, they're still sitting on like two Cup wins in the last 70 years.

They look like they'll be an exciting team but Tampa Bay's a pretty good reminder of how hard it is to actually win.
- HawkintheD

While everyone in chicago is grateful for the championship hockey and 3 cups we seen. Speaking for myself only rocky is to blame for allowing this to happen ultimately. After the 14/15 season Seabrook was expendable based on age and chicago cap issues . But surely after 16/17 season that was the time to blow things up and rebuild the right way.


New York sure they haven't won a cup since 94 and only appeared in the finals once but if their a fun young team again thats highly competitive if I was a rangers fan im happy.

I'm not going to watch the Hawks or go to a game and see garbage hockey knowing it lacks talent and has no chance of winning a cup or playoff round.


Toews , kane , Seabrook and Keith might be upset but its a business and from my standpoint they can easily waive their nmc and move on. Their being paid so either deal with it and respect the simple fact that the organization went out of its way to try and appease them by winning and it failed now reality set in time to rebuild

I would say that objectively Saad is a top 6 player and a luxury on a 3rd line.

In terms of even strength points for LWs, Saad was 33rd this season and he was 22nd last season. His EVP/GP puts him in a similar range. If you compare him to RWs, he'd have been 13th and 26th respectfully for this season and last. I feel like that is still worth his $6m contract but either way he is definitively putting up top 6 quality production in comparison to the league while also bringing in all the other qualities you mentioned his underlying numbers indicate.

I do agree with your last point - the timing of this trade is a major reason the return is lackluster.
- L_B_R

I would say objectively he is overpaid. He is the 90th highest paid player in the league, 14 th highest left winger, 16th highest right winger. 45 th highest forward. The stats you point out do not equate to the salary he is making. Maybe Rocky looked at what Boston is paying for salaries and their success and is saying I am not getting what I am paying for.

Disclaimer: I'm an old school old guy - I was brought up to believe that the boss was the boss and the subordinates did what they were told, if they didn't they would need to find a new job. Period.

Having said that, unfortunately (IMO) it's not that way very much anymore. The inmates running the asylum is becoming more the rule than the exception and it seems pro sports are at the forefront of this change in the way things are done. So maybe it's not exceptional or noteworthy when a player speaks out about not receiving the proper deference from management regarding management decisions.

Remember there is history here too. Both Toews and Keith have spoken out before, questioning Stan's moves. If I were Stan, I would go out of my way to not consult with them to prove a point - that I'm the boss and they are not. But then again, that's just me and my old fashion ways and maybe that's wrong nowadays.
- EbonyRaptor

Well said. Imo I think the organization in the past tried to appease toews , keith and look where its gotten chicago. Toews wanted shaw and Saad back and Stan made those moves .

I think this was stans way of saying its time I do my job and you do yours.

Whether that's a positive or negative depends on the team imo. For Colorado, it's a plus because it means Saad won't impact their ability to resign Landeskog, Makar, or a goalie after this season. Same would be true of several other teams like Boston or Pittsburgh

At the very least, I would have hoped the Hawks might have been able to retain more to get at least a prospect in the deal.
- L_B_R

True but you still won't give up much for a player you don't plan to keep.

If any of the remaining core are requesting to be traded (not saying they are, just conjecture), I would look to a trade like Duncan Keith to the Panthers for RFA rights to Mackenzie Weegar. Just make sure you get draft picks in return, too.

With Nate Schmidt supposedly being traded to the Panthers to make room for Alex Pietrangelo, Weegar is rumored to be on the market to pave way for Schmidt.

Weegar is 26, right-hand shot that plays LD. Has been playing top pair with Aaron Ekblad.

Awful trade. The only thing I can think of is Duncan Keith goes next and they turn it into a free for all on the back end. There is absolutely no point in having him now if you can fetch a return of prospects/picks. Send him to a contender and let him play for another cup. My only concern is Bowman will get a deal with him completely wrong too.

I don't think it is far off that the remainder of their old core is upset with how things have turned out. These guys are highly competitive and know that they are all probably on the back halves of their careers. I don't blame any of them for wanting to play with a team who has a shot at a Cup. At this point, I hope they move Toews and Kane as well; those two are meant for playoff hockey. It would be a waste for the back ends of their careers if they never played for another cup again. At this point, they sure as hell won't be with the Hawks.

Friedman reporting Taylor Hall to Buffalo. (no confirmation, yet) Guess Eichel will quiet down, now.

If any of the remaining core are requesting to be traded (not saying they are, just conjecture), I would look to a trade like Duncan Keith to the Panthers for RFA rights to Mackenzie Weegar. Just make sure you get draft picks in return, too.

With Nate Schmidt supposedly being traded to the Panthers to make room for Alex Pietrangelo, Weegar is rumored to be on the market to pave way for Schmidt.

Weegar is 26, right-hand shot that plays LD. Has been playing top pair with Aaron Ekblad.
- Theo Fox

Just curious but Keith's contract was one of those that if he retires before his contract ends chicago is on the hook for a cap recurring penalty correct? And if he was traded would that team then be on the hook also or just chicago?

Just curious but Keith's contract was one of those that if he retires before his contract ends chicago is on the hook for a cap recurring penalty correct? And if he was traded would that team then be on the hook also or just chicago?
- Taylorst1

The penalty always accrues to Chicago, unfortunately. Hence, the benefit of having Hossa on LTIR after he left.

Disclaimer: I'm an old school old guy - I was brought up to believe that the boss was the boss and the subordinates did what they were told, if they didn't they would need to find a new job. Period.

Having said that, unfortunately (IMO) it's not that way very much anymore. The inmates running the asylum is becoming more the rule than the exception and it seems pro sports are at the forefront of this change in the way things are done. So maybe it's not exceptional or noteworthy when a player speaks out about not receiving the proper deference from management regarding management decisions.

Remember there is history here too. Both Toews and Keith have spoken out before, questioning Stan's moves. If I were Stan, I would go out of my way to not consult with them to prove a point - that I'm the boss and they are not. But then again, that's just me and my old fashion ways and maybe that's wrong nowadays.
- EbonyRaptor

You certainly seem not to have much respect for your fellow workers.

Fortunately, the business world is moving away from that model toward one that recognizes people at all levels perform better when they are made a part of the process, and that they have more to contribute the a 9 to 5 mentality.

Not to make the business organization a democracy - management mus make the decisions - but getting as much buy-in up and down the lineup as practical creates dividends - especially when internal and external forces turn negative.

As today - with the general financial situation, the league financial situation, and the Hawk talent situation.

True but you still won't give up much for a player you don't plan to keep.
- rpeters01

Except that a 1st+ has been the typical return for a rental for years at the TDL. Ryan Hartman got that.