Quinn and Sanderson were the two fastest and highest risers of the draft.

Thank goodness Sanderson was gone because it sure sounds like they were taking Sanderson if he was available at 8 over Quinn.

If that had happened, J Crag would've thrown the chair
- kingcong39

Yep - they were absolutely taking Sanderson at * if he would have lasted

He was good last year. You act like the clock is going to strike midnight on his 36th birthday and his limbs are going to fall off. There is zero evidence that will happen other than pure pessimism
- jcragcrumple

you don't need evidence if you think your opinions are factual.

I've literally said 3 times in 10 minutes it's great value.
- sbroads24

It's not just about value, it's about the player, who is clearly not peak Eric Staal anymore. His age 33 season he amased over 40 goals. His age 35 season he had a higher ppg pace than his age 34 season.

While I don't deny decline, his history shows that not only is he a very healthy player, his play style and ability has not dropped off a cliff, and there's no reason to believe, based on his performance into his 30's, that it will be anything significant this year.

The Sabres, man, the Sabres!! Not Buffalo sports. I'm talking strictly Sabres.
- TheSabresTaco

the only other time i got as big of a Sabres rush was when we won the Dahlin lottery. Perreault would have been as big, but, none of us were around for that

I'll take the bet, just for funzies, avatar? But instead of just Girgs over 7, interest in an avatar bet of more goals, Boo-hoo vs Lion-Eater?
- SDSabre

Um, more goals over expectations?

Gurgs is expected to have 7-10 goals and 15 /20 points
Ka-boo-hoo-hun is expected to be a 15/20 goals and 35/40 points guy.

12 goals was above his $1.6 million deal, thus the reasonable raise.

We can work something out, not this deal you suggested though.

Pegulaville - yes!!! Now if we could only bring you over to the Buffalo Bills side
- turbo044

I try to keep emotion out of everything.

I like to think I’m impartial, perhaps I’m wrong.

I would have taken Rossi over Quinn.

I would have made different decisions in the bottom half of the forward group.

However getting Taylor Hall is an absolute game changer for this franchise.

If you guys thought Reinhart and Skinner were good, you’re in for a treat.

As far as the Bills are concerned, I thought they were going to win the AFC East even while I was comparing Allen to a hybrid of Tebow/Newton.

I expected them to win 10 or 11 games. Now that Allen has taken huge strides as a passer it’s possible that the Bills go 12-4 at this point.

I didn’t expect the defence to struggle as much as they have but it’s week 5 and there is a lot of football left.

Allen’s development as a QB is the exception not the rule, I always thought your Bills were the favourites in the East though

It's not just about value, it's about the player, who is clearly not peak Eric Staal anymore. His age 33 season he amased over 40 goals. His age 35 season he had a higher ppg pace than his age 34 season.

While I don't deny decline, his history shows that not only is he a very healthy player, his play style and ability has not dropped off a cliff, and there's no reason to believe, based on his performance into his 30's, that it will be anything significant this year.
- TheSabresTaco

Patrick Marleau was consistently good through his 30's, never missed games, always scored goals, and literally in one year at after changing teams became a below replacement level player at 37.

It happens

I'm excited to see this team with Dahlin entering his prime, and I have always loved Hall.

Thinking the GM sucks, and thinking the team will suck aren't mutually exclusive you know
- sbroads24

I like some things Kevyn and his staff, whatever you want to call it, has done. I don't like some other things. His league minimum adds are a nothing to me. This team sucks ass on the PK, and good for him for looking to improve it with cheap contracts.

Girgensons contract is poor but not detrimental. Eakin is here I guess. Hope we were talking to Craig Smith so who knows.

I love Jack Quinn as a prospect and I don't give a poop they didn't take Rossi. Maybe in a few years I'll change my mind. The Hall signing was great, the Staal trade was excellent, and it's very clear he has work to do on defense, while keeping in mind he needs to probably use 10M next season to sign Joker and Dahlin, while trying to keep Hall.

I won't be 'down' if the defense isn't addressed in trade, but I fully believe it should be.

Um, more goals over expectations?

Gurgs is expected to have 7-10 goals and 15 /20 points
Ka-boo-hoo-hun is expected to be a 15/20 goals and 35/40 points guy.

12 goals was above his $1.6 million deal, thus the reasonable raise.

We can work something out, not this deal you suggested though.
- Boss34

I was strictly going off goals. Both had 12 last year. Seems reasonable to make the bet (You'll also notice I'm not poop talking Girgs).

But if you want to have some sort of just Girgs bet, fine, something like this:

Under 7 I choose
7-9 Wash
10 and above you choose

Honestly though, with a shortened season I wouldn't really wanna do anything as with such low numbers having a two goal game extrapolates much further then in a normal season

Patrick Marleau was consistently good through his 30's, never missed games, always scored goals, and literally in one year at after changing teams became a below replacement level player at 37.

It happens
- sbroads24

At 38 Marleau had 20 goals and 47 points. The year before he had 27 goals and 46 points. Swing and miss.

at 39, he dropped to 37 points

Compared to what? Putting your eggs in wingers moving to center? Lol. All time bad take.
- Mentalorgasm5

Cozens will be a 3rd line center in the NHL
- Mentalorgasm5

Let's see how your gem of a draft day take holds up after being ranked the best skater not in he NHL this past year

The Sabres, man, the Sabres!! Not Buffalo sports. I'm talking strictly Sabres.
- TheSabresTaco

Okposo was listed as a top free agent in quite a few publications.

Remember him?

Patrick Marleau was consistently good through his 30's, never missed games, always scored goals, and literally in one year at after changing teams became a below replacement level player at 37.

It happens
- sbroads24

Of course it happens. But Marleau's 'useful' decline happened at age 39.

At 38 Marleau had 20 goals and 47 points. The year before he had 27 goals and 46 points. Swing and miss.

at 39, he dropped to 37 points
- Mentalorgasm5

Marleau was terrible the moment he got to Toronto. After being above replacement in San Jose

They force fed him in the top 6 and then benched him when he started to actually hurt them.

the only other time i got as big of a Sabres rush was when we won the Dahlin lottery. Perreault would have been as big, but, none of us were around for that
- turbo044

How about when toews scored 2 goals in the last minutes to lock in mceichel?

This is some contract!

https://www.capfriendly.c.../players/alex-pietrangelo

Okposo was listed as a top free agent in quite a few publications.

Remember him?
- Boss34

Boss...

Come on man. Come on.

2012's top draft prospect was Nail Yakupov.

2015's top draft prospect was Conner McDavid.

Just because you're the 'top guy' doesn't mean you compare to other 'top' guys.

Okposo was in the same range, as his pay shows, to Lucic, Backes and Neal.

I challenge you, and everyone, to name one player that signed with Buffalo as a UFA from a different team better than Taylor Hall.

I'm excited to see this team with Dahlin entering his prime, and I have always loved Hall.

Thinking the GM sucks, and thinking the team will suck aren't mutually exclusive you know
- sbroads24

My honest glass not half full/glass not half empty analysis; it's just a glass:

Staal trade was great - got the better player at less of a cost to fill the huge 2c hole. Whether or not Guerrin is insane, i don't care - Adams killed it. Staal is older but is in great shape and looked very good last year.

Adams misjudged the depressed market and overpaid by about $700k each on Girgensons and Eakins. I like the players BUT $1.5m to cap is significant

Ironically, he wouldn't overpay for Kahun, offering him market value of $1.4m per. Kahun misjudged the market, should fire his agent and will probably make around $1m a day. I don't care about Kahun

The 3 minimum contract signings, nothing to judge here as they don't impact the cap nor the lineup (hopefully)

Hall signing was amazing, it had a lot to do with Ralph but also a lot ot do with nobody else offering him $8m.

Summary:

The good - Hall and staal, plus hopefully the youngins take a step forward. this team is MUCH better than last year and is a Kuemper away form being a solid playoff team

The bad - all this talk about analytics as part of the decision making bullsh*t. None of the signings, other than Hall, are analytical darlings (most of them are actually really bad), Choosing hughes over Rossi probably isn't what the analytics would tell you do and trading up in the 2nd round is against basis analytical science.

I'm extremely happy with what's happened, but, it could have been better with a more experienced GM who used analyhtics.

Is this fair?

My honest glass not half full/glass not half empty analysis; it's just a glass:

Staal trade was great - got the better player at less of a cost to fill the huge 2c hole. Whether or not Guerrin is insane, i don't care - Adams killed it. Staal is older but is in great shape and looked very good last year.

Adams misjudged the depressed market and overpaid by about $700k each on Girgensons and Eakins. I like the players BUT $1.5m to cap is significant

Ironically, he wouldn't overpay for Kahun, offering him market value of $1.4m per. Kahun misjudged the market, should fire his agent and will probably make around $1m a day. I don't care about Kahun

The 3 minimum contract signings, nothing to judge here as they don't impact the cap nor the lineup (hopefully)

Hall signing was amazing, it had a lot to do with Ralph but also a lot ot do with nobody else offering him $8m.

Summary:

The good - Hall and staal, plus hopefully the youngins take a step forward. this team is MUCH better than last year and is a Kuemper away form being a solid playoff team

The bad - all this talk about analytics as part of the decision making bullsh*t. None of the signings, other than Hall, are analytical darlings (most of them are actually really bad), Choosing hughes over Rossi probably isn't what the analytics would tell you do and trading up in the 2nd round is against basis analytical science.

I'm extremely happy with what's happened, but, it could have been better with a more experienced GM who used analyhtics.

Is this fair?
- turbo044

Totally.

Marleau was terrible the moment he got to Toronto. After being above replacement in San Jose

They force fed him in the top 6 and then benched him when he started to actually hurt them.
- sbroads24

Even so, it's irrelevant comparing player A and player B is this fashion.

One of these players had a choice and signed here. One of them was "stunned" and his kids weren't thrilled when he found out he was traded here. Do I have to go into further detail on how they couldn't be more different?

Staal might be excellent. He also might be toast. Does it ever cross your mind why Minny moved him for what they did, or nah?
- sbroads24

Wasn’t Staal and family’s reaction more about just being traded at all more than where he was traded to? He had done all he could to prevent being traded. Supposedly, he wasn’t told they were thinking about trading him beforehand, so, He was “stunned”. As far as what Guerin was thinking, iirc his comments seemed to imply he might’ve been worried about Staal being too comfortable and just kinda riding off into the sunset through his last year. I probably should find Guerin’s comments and reread them before stating that, though.

I try to keep emotion out of everything.

I like to think I’m impartial, perhaps I’m wrong.

I would have taken Rossi over Quinn.

I would have made different decisions in the bottom half of the forward group.

However getting Taylor Hall is an absolute game changer for this franchise.

If you guys thought Reinhart and Skinner were good, you’re in for a treat.

As far as the Bills are concerned, I thought they were going to win the AFC East even while I was comparing Allen to a hybrid of Tebow/Newton.

I expected them to win 10 or 11 games. Now that Allen has taken huge strides as a passer it’s possible that the Bills go 12-4 at this point.

I didn’t expect the defence to struggle as much as they have but it’s week 5 and there is a lot of football left.

Allen’s development as a QB is the exception not the rule, I always thought your Bills were the favourites in the East though
- Pegullaville

I would have taken Rossi and Perfetti over Quinn, but we'll see. I threw my TV remote at the wall when the Bills took Allen over Rosen, so what do I know??

Marleau was terrible the moment he got to Toronto. After being above replacement in San Jose

They force fed him in the top 6 and then benched him when he started to actually hurt them.
- sbroads24

So change the story when the stats don't fit rhe narrative.

Dude, seriously you usually are on point. But this staal take is an all time bad take.

Wasn’t Staal and family’s reaction was more about just being traded at all more than where he was traded to? He had done all he could to prevent being traded. Supposedly, he wasn’t told they were thinking about trading him beforehand, so, He was “stunned”. As far as what Guerin was thinking, iirc his comments seemed to imply he might’ve been worried about him being too comfortable and just kinda riding off into the sunset through his last year. I probably should find Guerin’s comments and reread them before stating that, though.
- Ratsreign

I'd assume so. He said he wanted and planned to finish his career in Minny.

It is what it is.

I hope Staal is great because I don't wan to lose Eichel.

I was strictly going off goals. Both had 12 last year. Seems reasonable to make the bet (You'll also notice I'm not poop talking Girgs).

But if you want to have some sort of just Girgs bet, fine, something like this:

Under 7 I choose
7-9 Wash
10 and above you choose

Honestly though, with a shortened season I wouldn't really wanna do anything as with such low numbers having a two goal game extrapolates much further then in a normal season
- SDSabre

With the possibility of a shortened season, I think we need to look at a % rate based on your very fair suggestions

Under 7 out of 82 games - SD wins
7-9 goals out of 82 games- push
10 goals or above out of 82 - Boss wins

Let's continue this discussion.
And get someone responsible (maybe ion) to verify the terms.