And have Peterson and Hughes sign remarkably under valued contracts to even think about competing in free agency the following year...
- Pres.cup

With Eriksson, Beagle and Roussel (12 million dollars) still on the cap next year, it’s not gonna get any better after Petey and Hughes sign their next deals.

I don't think it really matters if that is the lineup we roll out.
- belcherbd

Nope, and the year after will be even wrist unless JB does magic and unloads LE, BEAGLE, ROUSSEL and Luongos recapture.

22-23 will be our year to compete, unless we still believe the budget will balance itself... wait I mean, the cap will fix itself ....

With Eriksson, Beagle and Roussel (12 million dollars) still on the cap next year, it’s not gonna get any better after Petey and Hughes sign their next deals.
- Pacificgem

Unless you believe they'll sign deals worth 7m each....

NY with Leetch and Granato
- Shuswap Wap

I just had a look, Chris Chelios and Steve Penney for the Montreal Canadiens finished #2 & #3 in 1985.

And have Peterson and Hughes sign remarkably under valued contracts to even think about competing in free agency the following year...
- Pres.cup

I think there is potential for one or both of Hughes or Pettersson to sign bridge deals which could come in less than the 8-10 usually discussed for them on long term deals. But we are still likely looking at close to 7 each. Barzal's contract will be really interesting and should establish an idea. Islanders have around 9M to sign Barzal, Pelach and Toews so I expect they will get creative.

I was away from civilization for 24 hours. Still nothing...

If ever there was a time to get wild with speculation, it is now. What the (frank) is Benning going to do?

Unless you believe they'll sign deals worth 7m each....
- Pres.cup

I would guess a Thomas Chabot type deal for Quinn Hughes at 8 million and a Sebastian Aho at 8.5 million type deal for Elias Pettersson. Maybe 8.25 million dollars a year for each of them considering they’ve kinda got Benning over a barrel as the Canucks are nothing without them.

I was away from civilization for 24 hours. Still nothing...

If ever there was a time to get wild with speculation, it is now. What the (frank) is Benning going to do?
- boonerbuck

Follow Lefty logic and Pres.Cup hysteria and blow the core cause you know cap doomsday.

I was away from civilization for 24 hours. Still nothing...

If ever there was a time to get wild with speculation, it is now. What the (frank) is Benning going to do?
- boonerbuck

Lock himself in the shower and cry.

I was away from civilization for 24 hours. Still nothing...

If ever there was a time to get wild with speculation, it is now. What the (frank) is Benning going to do?
- boonerbuck

Well so far it's played out like many speculated.

Probably worse than most speculated.

I would guess a Thomas Chabot type deal for Quinn Hughes at 8 million and a Sebastian Aho at 8.5 million type deal for Elias Pettersson. Maybe 8.25 million dollars a year for each of them considering they’ve kinda got Benning over a barrel as the Canucks are nothing without them.
- Pacificgem

Who is going to do Benning a favour and offer sheet Petey for pennies?

I would guess a Thomas Chabot type deal for Quinn Hughes at 8 million and a Sebastian Aho at 8.5 million type deal for Elias Pettersson. Maybe 8.25 million dollars a year for each of them considering they’ve kinda got Benning over a barrel as the Canucks are nothing without them.
- Pacificgem

That presumes neither put winning over a few dollars when they know they will get paid in their next deal.

Follow Lefty logic and Pres.Cup hysteria and blow the core cause you know cap doomsday.
- NuckUp

Not being hysterical, it's called reality.

It's not blowing the core, it's saying there is no money to sign anybody without blowing the amazing 3 out the door.

Puts a pin in the idea that the cap will sort itself out.

Do the math man, hard numbers don't lie.

That presumes neither put winning over a few dollars when they know they will get paid in their next deal.
- Nighthawk

This presumes they're going to take under market value to help out Bennings mistakes.

Well so far it's played out like many speculated.

Probably worse than most speculated.
- belcherbd

Ain't it grand not to be desperate and overpay when other options are available.

Who is going to do Benning a favour and offer sheet Petey for pennies?
- belcherbd

I think 8.5 million for Petey, post COVID-19, is a fair comparison.

Not being hysterical, it's called reality.

It's not blowing the core, it's saying there is no money to sign anybody without blowing the amazing 3 out the door.

Puts a pin in the idea that the cap will sort itself out.

Do the math man, hard numbers don't lie.
- Pres.cup

33.1m for 11 players is the math.

33.1m for 11 players is the math.
- Nighthawk

33.1m? Where do you get that number from?

23.3 for 7 players, including QH, EP and TD.

I would guess a Thomas Chabot type deal for Quinn Hughes at 8 million and a Sebastian Aho at 8.5 million type deal for Elias Pettersson. Maybe 8.25 million dollars a year for each of them considering they’ve kinda got Benning over a barrel as the Canucks are nothing without them.
- Pacificgem

I think new contract salaries will be taking a step back. I know it doesnt fit your narratives but it's common sense. Possibly high end free agents will even go for bridge deals so they can quickly redo when the league starts making money again. Things to consider in an honest argument.

Lock himself in the shower and cry.

- Pres.cup

I'm re-watching all the old Arrested Development episodes. Tobias

With Eriksson, Beagle and Roussel (12 million dollars) still on the cap next year, it’s not gonna get any better after Petey and Hughes sign their next deals.
- Pacificgem

Do you want to be like the Leafs and pay $975 000? How far in the playoffs did that get them? Salary cap! Beagle! More whine!

Sorry for interrupting the circle jerk but....

So many mistakes, assumptions and asinine comments to respond to and so little time.

I Forgot Holtby was for one more year, so that's only 4 players for the 3.3m, not including Virtanen.

Cap friendly lists the bonuses as 2.8m each, half of them are cap free, which leads to a total of 2.8m total, sorry I rounded up, but let's call it 2.8m.

17m plus 2.8 is 19.8m not 20m, sorry my mistake.... that .2 could be used to sign an established player.

You're dreaming of you believe that they'll sign for less then what Nylander got, they're probably going to get Marner money at least. Much more likely that they'll get around 8.5 each or more. If they sign for anything more then 14m combined(again dreaming, that number is so low), we will have even less money to fill out the roster.

I wrote including a goalie, not plus a goalie.

We do not have Demko signed for 21-22, his contract expires after this upcoming seasons.

TLDR
Unless a miracle happens, the 12m 4th line plus luongo will handicap the team until they're off the books after the 21-22 season.

The art of war says to prepare for the worst and hope for the best, you're preparing for the best and hoping for the best.


- Pres.cup

We're not talking about Virtanen, unless you're indicating he'll be traded and his cap space will be added on? Otherwise, what he signs for this year won't have an impact on the amount coming off the cap next year. The Canucks have about 8 mil in cap space right now.

This, from Drance:

Can also confirm that the #Canucks have decided not to split their ~$1.7 million bonus overage from the 2019-20 season (from Hughes and Pettersson maxing out Schedule A bonuses) between the next two years.

The club will carry the full hit in this upcoming 2020-21 league year.

So, not 2.8, it's 1.7.

Comparables for Petey: Conor 7, Marner 10, Aho 8.4, Laine 6.7, Tkachuk 7. We'll see what Barzal gets signed for, he'll be a good judgment. Using Toronto's overpayments as a benchmark isn't the best – people brought those up for Boeser and look what he was signed for.

Demko was included in the 20 mil math addition you did, so I'm not sure why you keep saying we have to add another goalie, or use the remaining money to pay a goalie. We'll have two.

I'll go over this again:

MINUS

- Sutter @ 4.3
- Pearson @ 3.7
- Sven @ 3.3
- Edler @ 6
- Benn @ 2
- Spooner @ 1
- Demko, Petey, Hughs @ 1 each

That's roughly 23.3 mil coming off the books. Also, whoever Seattle takes, if it's not from the AHL.

ADDITION

- Petey @ 7-8
- Hughes @ 7-8
- Demko @ 3
- Performance bonuses @ 1.7

Call it 20, like you want. 3.3 mil to fill out a LHD and top 6 winger. Not the best, clearly, but at this point overpaying to move Loui for 1 year (say, a 2nd rounder) frees up 5-6 mil in cap space, bringing us to 8-9.3 to fill out those positions. There's nothing set in stone about player movement in the future, so we can't really say with 100% conviction that what it is today will be there next season.

33.1m? Where do you get that number from?

23.3 for 7 players, including QH, EP and TD.
- Pres.cup

https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/canucks

We're not talking about Virtanen, unless you're indicating he'll be traded and his cap space will be added on? Otherwise, what he signs for this year won't have an impact on the amount coming off the cap next year. The Canucks have about 8 mil in cap space right now.

This, from Drance:



So, not 2.8, it's 1.7.

Comparables for Petey: Conor 7, Marner 10, Aho 8.4, Laine 6.7, Tkachuk 7. We'll see what Barzal gets signed for, he'll be a good judgment. Using Toronto's overpayments as a benchmark isn't the best – people brought those up for Boeser and look what he was signed for.

Demko was included in the 20 mil math addition you did, so I'm not sure why you keep saying we have to add another goalie, or use the remaining money to pay a goalie. We'll have two.

I'll go over this again:

MINUS

- Sutter @ 4.3
- Pearson @ 3.7
- Sven @ 3.3
- Edler @ 6
- Benn @ 2
- Spooner @ 1
- Demko, Petey, Hughs @ 1 each

That's roughly 23.3 mil coming off the books. Also, whoever Seattle takes, if it's not from the AHL.

ADDITION

- Petey @ 7-8
- Hughes @ 7-8
- Demko @ 3
- Performance bonuses @ 1.7

Call it 20, like you want. 3.3 mil to fill out a LHD and top 6 winger. Not the best, clearly, but at this point overpaying to move Loui for 1 year (say, a 2nd rounder) frees up 6 mil in cap space, bringing us to 9.3 to fill out those positions. There's nothing set in stone about player movement in the future, so we can't really say with 100% conviction that what it is today will be there next season.
- NewYorkNuck

See Lefty, an honest argument.

33.1m? Where do you get that number from?

23.3 for 7 players, including QH, EP and TD.
- Pres.cup

12players signed with $33,064,788 to complete roster according to Cap Friendly. That's with LE and Ferland $9.5 hit which won't be there by then (creative solutions galore)