Probably as much input as Toews.
- rpeters01

But then again you get a quality top 4 dman for nothing
- BetweenTheDots

true but i want more pain for those in cap hell. yes, i am still salty about it.

Does Vegas realize Pietro is 30 years old? Damn that's crazy
- BetweenTheDots

The Hawks still have plenty to upgrade, but it’s good they’re not signing any of these types of deals.

I like the Wallmark deal for what it is, a quality depth signing. Still not sold on Janmark, but I’ll wait to make a judgment.

true but i want more pain for those in cap hell. yes, i am still salty about it.
- Elbows15

People are giving away assets to help Vegas and Colorado. D.Toews is more valuable than two 2nds but the Isle likely needed to move him to make room for Barzal's deal.

true but i want more pain for those in cap hell. yes, i am still salty about it.
- Elbows15

Agreed.

The Knights still need to make at least one move, they’re still over the cap. If they can trade Fleury (50% retained) they’ll be ok.

true but i want more pain for those in cap hell. yes, i am still salty about it.
- Elbows15

Well they lost a quality forward for nothing and still saddled with MAF so there is still hope

The Hawks still have plenty to upgrade, but it’s good they’re not signing any of these types of deals.

I like the Wallmark deal for what it is, a quality depth signing. Still not sold on Janmark, but I’ll wait to make a judgment.
- DarthKane

I've been coming around the chatrooms and observing all you for at least like 5 years. Is it possible that you think Subban could actually surprise us and do a decent job next year for us? I mean it looks more like the hawks are focusing on Defensive awareness players, although Saad was one, he was also very expensive.

Thoughts?

I wish the Bears would clean house too - both the GM and coach. Pace makes Stan look like a genius.
- EbonyRaptor

Amen to that.

There are a lot of teams up against the cap. Maybe Smith goes to one of them for a low pick so they can place him on LTIR and do some cap maneuvering.

Well they lost a quality forward for nothing and still saddled with MAF so there is still hope
- BetweenTheDots

And down a middle 6 center but I assume it means they're going all in on Glass as 2C. He def might be ready for as he's right at the development age for impact and he should get more points with Stone on his wing, though it might have been better for him to have been 3C for another little bit. He's still pretty lanky for his height.

I'd only want to the Hawks to take on Flower if it got them a prospect and not a pick. Their pool isn't very deep though and they would be silly to budge on Krebs or Hague. Elvenes, Dugan, and Morozov are good playmakers with middle 6 potential or Korczak for defense that leans into smart defense but not much offense.

The issue isn’t going away so quickly:

https://theathletic.com/2...ith-spray-paint-graffiti/

For those without access to the Athletic, here is part of the story:

The debate over the Chicago Blackhawks’ logo isn’t going away. In fact, it might be escalating.
In the most aggressive recent action taken toward the organization due to its use of a Native American logo, a Blackhawks’ sculpture was vandalized in the early hours of Monday, which also happened to be Indigenous Peoples’ Day.
In a series of tweets Monday by an account named “no racist mascots” and with a Twitter handle of @zhigaagoong, photos and videos were shown of the Blackhawks’ 75th-anniversary statue after it had been defaced at night and while it was being cleaned in the daytime. It appears red paint was poured over the Indian head logo and words were written on and around the statue.
“Land back” was among the words written, which is a reference to a movement to restore Indigenous people’s land and culture. The messages also included “Get Wirtz off board,” which is a reference to a protest of Blackhawks chairman Rocky Wirtz being on the Field Museum’s board of trustees.
“Decolonize Zhigaagoong” was also written, with “Zhigaagoong” being a word derived from the Anishinaabemowin language that refers to the territory now known as Chicago. Also written was, “(frank) your advisory committee, Lori,” which is believed to be a reference to an advisory committed created by Chicago mayor Lori Lightfoot to assess memorials, monuments and other art in Chicago after the city removed statues of Christopher Columbus.
- StLBravesFan

It’s simple hire private security and do what must be done. Lightfoot won’t do sh(i)t and neither will that fat arse of a governor.

P.S. it Happy Christopher Columbus Day. Indigenous people used to perform many acts human sacrifice, cannibalism, and slavery.

I've been coming around the chatrooms and observing all you for at least like 5 years. Is it possible that you think Subban could actually surprise us and do a decent job next year for us? I mean it looks more like the hawks are focusing on Defensive awareness players, although Saad was one, he was also very expensive.

Thoughts?
- Hawk4life

Welcome aboard, lifer. Post more.

Honestly, idk who impresses. I want to see Lank or Tomkins, because they honestly don't get much discussion.

Bowman at least seems to be wanting to play tougher. I still say he is going to make more moves.

I've been coming around the chatrooms and observing all you for at least like 5 years. Is it possible that you think Subban could actually surprise us and do a decent job next year for us? I mean it looks more like the hawks are focusing on Defensive awareness players, although Saad was one, he was also very expensive.

Thoughts?
- Hawk4life

He’s a chip for the expansion draft.

And down a middle 6 center but I assume it means they're going all in on Glass as 2C. He def might be ready for as he's right at the development age for impact and he should get more points with Stone on his wing, though it might have been better for him to have been 3C for another little bit. He's still pretty lanky for his height.

I'd only want to the Hawks to take on Flower if it got them a prospect and not a pick. Their pool isn't very deep though and they would be silly to budge on Krebs or Hague. Elvenes, Dugan, and Morozov are good playmakers with middle 6 potential or Korczak for defense that leans into smart defense but not much offense.
- L_B_R

Hawks dump Smith to a team like Toronto who can LTIR him and accumulate cap space for the TDL. Hawks gain 3.25M in cap space.

Fleury, 2M retained, and Krebs for Strome and Subbsn/Delia. VGK get 5M in cap space and sign Strome for 2.5M and a back up goalie for 1M.

I've been coming around the chatrooms and observing all you for at least like 5 years. Is it possible that you think Subban could actually surprise us and do a decent job next year for us? I mean it looks more like the hawks are focusing on Defensive awareness players, although Saad was one, he was also very expensive.

Thoughts?
- Hawk4life

I was reading that he regressed in Vegas but he did have stretches of quality games in years past. I'm not confident personally, but that doesn't mean much

And down a middle 6 center but I assume it means they're going all in on Glass as 2C. He def might be ready for as he's right at the development age for impact and he should get more points with Stone on his wing, though it might have been better for him to have been 3C for another little bit. He's still pretty lanky for his height.

I'd only want to the Hawks to take on Flower if it got them a prospect and not a pick. Their pool isn't very deep though and they would be silly to budge on Krebs or Hague. Elvenes, Dugan, and Morozov are good playmakers with middle 6 potential or Korczak for defense that leans into smart defense but not much offense.
- L_B_R

I ve mention his name before but krebs. Vegas retains 3.5 million on Fleruy then Fleruy to chicago for fleury and krebs and 2nd Don't think vegas is going give up a 1st but hawks could krebs or another solid prospect for delia/ subban and 7th in 2022. Point is getting young solid and pick for the future. Krebs was 1st round pick in draft year.

I've been coming around the chatrooms and observing all you for at least like 5 years. Is it possible that you think Subban could actually surprise us and do a decent job next year for us? I mean it looks more like the hawks are focusing on Defensive awareness players, although Saad was one, he was also very expensive.

Thoughts?
- Hawk4life

He’s played well when given longer stretches of consecutive games, allowing him to get into a groove, versus the occasional spot start. I don’t think it’s out of the realm of possibility that he could end up being a quality starter, but I wouldn’t bet on it either.

true but i want more pain for those in cap hell. yes, i am still salty about it.
- Elbows15

Did Bettman issue an edict that teams couldn't f$ck Vegas over when they go over the cap and need to shed salary? McPhee and that owner just do whatever they want. They like every shiny new toy player that comes on the market and just think they can dump existing roster players and not get hammered on the return.

true but i want more pain for those in cap hell. yes, i am still salty about it.
- Elbows15

Could care less about Vegas’s cap situation. Would of been a great move if bowman got Schmidt for a 3rd. Then went and got a much bigger haul for Murphy. Obviously this scenario would leave us short of righties but regardless it would of been a smart move for a 3rd

Did Bettman issue an edict that teams couldn't f$ck Vegas over when they go over the cap and need to shed salary? McPhee and that owner just do whatever they want. They like every shiny new toy player that comes on the market and just think they can dump existing roster players and not get hammered on the return.
- RickJ

The pick isn't even until 2022? What the (frank)!?

And down a middle 6 center but I assume it means they're going all in on Glass as 2C. He def might be ready for as he's right at the development age for impact and he should get more points with Stone on his wing, though it might have been better for him to have been 3C for another little bit. He's still pretty lanky for his height.

I'd only want to the Hawks to take on Flower if it got them a prospect and not a pick. Their pool isn't very deep though and they would be silly to budge on Krebs or Hague. Elvenes, Dugan, and Morozov are good playmakers with middle 6 potential or Korczak for defense that leans into smart defense but not much offense.
- L_B_R

Sure Glass is pencilled in to take Stastny's spot. It shouldn't have been that easy but Winnipeg of all teams let Vegas off the hook by taking Stastny and his whole salary back. From the very team that drove the price up when the Jets wanted to resign him 2 years ago.

Some team needs to screw them over when they take Fleury, the very guy that Vegas brought in to be the face of the franchise. Now he is in their garbage dumpster.

Did Bettman issue an edict that teams couldn't f$ck Vegas over when they go over the cap and need to shed salary? McPhee and that owner just do whatever they want. They like every shiny new toy player that comes on the market and just think they can dump existing roster players and not get hammered on the return.
- RickJ

I guess not having actually won any cups makes teams not hate them as much as they hated the Hawks.

That said, Nate Schmidt for a 3rd is a pretty good trade for the Nucks don't you think?

Hawks dump Smith to a team like Toronto who can LTIR him and accumulate cap space for the TDL. Hawks gain 3.25M in cap space.

Fleury, 2M retained, and Krebs for Strome and Subbsn/Delia. VGK get 5M in cap space and sign Strome for 2.5M and a back up goalie for 1M.
- boilermaker100

They have to really know if Smith is done or not. It sounds like the Hawks were expecting him to be healthy enough to buyout but the timeline didn't work out so idk if he'll be a LTIR candidate.

I ve mention his name before but krebs. Vegas retains 3.5 million on Fleruy then Fleruy to chicago for fleury and krebs and 2nd Don't think vegas is going give up a 1st but hawks could krebs or another solid prospect for delia/ subban and 7th in 2022. Point is getting young solid and pick for the future. Krebs was 1st round pick in draft year.
- Scott1977

I don't think Vegas would give up Krebs - he seems to be one of their untouchable prospects and he's more valuable than a 1st to them - but crazier things have happened. Maybe if someone took all of Flower's cap hit but idk about retaining. Vegas has already dumped two players without giving up much, so they probably can pull it off again.

Though with Lehner undergoing surgery, Idk if they move Flower. Might wait for in-season.

Edit: Yep, looks like they won't move Flower. They'll probably try to move one of the $2-3m players and replace them with ELC (of which Krebs could be one).

@FriedgeHNIC
McCrimmon says LV is not trading Marc-Andre Fleury. It will be a Fleury/Lehner tandem

Sure Glass is pencilled in to take Stastny's spot. It shouldn't have been that easy but Winnipeg of all teams let Vegas off the hook by taking Stastny and his whole salary back. From the very team that drove the price up when the Jets wanted to resign him 2 years ago.

Some team needs to screw them over when they take Fleury, the very guy that Vegas brought in to be the face of the franchise. Now he is in their garbage dumpster.
- RickJ

That one was the more bizarre one. Stastny is done, especially at that number.

Chevy channeling his inner Stan?

Not sure why there’s so much focus on the cap situation of Vegas and even Colorado. I’m more disappointed Bowman hasn’t taken advantage of it and gotten a schmidt for a 3rd or some other deal that we’d be paying pennies to the dollar