Cap update

14 forward - With Strome (at $2.5mil), Suter, and Smith included.
Kane, Toews, ADB, Carp, Dach, Kampf, Nylander, Highmore, Shaw, Janmark, Suter, Kubalik, Smith, and Strome.

7 defenders -
Seabs, Keith, Murphy, Zadorov, DeHaan, Boqvist, and one of Carlsson, Mitchell, Kalynuk.

2 goalies -
(pick your poison from Delia, Lankinen, Subban)

Plus salary retained on Saad/Maatta.

$76.9 mil
$81.5 mil Cap ceiling
$ 4.6 mil available under the cap

You can decide when they LTIR Smith (or what they do with him). But that is another $3.25 mil.
- -Doh-

On Smith if they are able to LTIR him they’d have his whole cap hit available. If they sent him to RFD wouldn’t it just save them $1m.

Either way they won’t have his Cap hit after this season.

How about Galchenyuk, 1 year at 3M as a flip candidate at the TDL?

The last 2 years or so, I gave the front office the benefit of the doubt. Taking a stab at Nylander, drafting Dach, Boqvist, Beaudin, etc. At least I could see a rational of stocking up on young upside players that MAY compliment the "core" or develop in time for a "New Core" in 3-4 years.

But, in the ridding of Saad and Crow there sure seems to be a shift to "re-build" and looking 4-5 years down the road. To do this I think Stan and company SHOULD have made this public like the Rangers did. And let the veteran core decide weeks ago, do they want to be part of this....or would they rather be moved. If we have no intension of being a playoff team the next couple or 3 years....why not move Kane????...Toews>>???? Keith???? and get all the assets we can get for them??

Don't give me the crap about having them there to teach the youngsters. If the 3-4 veterans left are feeling defeated, pissed, disgruntled at what their next few years will entail, you really think we want our young guys learning from that?

No. Hawks scenarios should have been one of two:
1. They believed their core and young guys were close, and could make a playoff run if the young guys developed enough. In which case, they find SOME goalie to give them a chance (instead of the league worse trio they presently have)....and without mortgaging the future, try to add a piece or two to help. They didn't do anything close to this....
so.......
2. They thought the young guys they have now need at least 2-3 years, and that we are destined to be a lottery team or close the next year or two. This seems closer to what they think, proven by the movement of Crow and Saad with preciuos little coming back of value. But, if this is the gameplan they are not going near far enough. Strip it right down. Go to the Kanes and Toews and ask where they willing to be moved. Move everything of value not named Dach, Boqvist, and the other young studs.

No, I HATE the off-season this year. It reeks of a team not committing to any true direction, and in a wishy-washy way just making moves with no clear goal.

Crow gone, Saad gone...besides a little Cap space, what have we added to help in 2-3 years. Squat!!!...that's what.

If the Cap space isn't going to be used to help the team NOW...then why care about the Cap space, Heck...could have just let Saad walk next year and got his whole 6 million then.

I just dont see a directon here, just a mess that doesn't look like it will have much resolution for 4-5 years.

I WAS ok with the re-tool, re-load the last two years....Been a Hawk fan since the early 70's....will continue to be so....but I see the lean decade of 1995-2005 looming in front of us. Sad, but it sure looks like it!

If Shaw, Seabs, DeHaan or anyone else is not ready to go they can land on LTIR. We will just have to wait and see. But it will probably be on Day 2 of the season and it likely will not effect signings before the season starts.
- -Doh-

Hawks can do it before. think the Hawks really need to save LTIR cap space for the TDL to pick up a player for a Cup run?.

On Smith if they are able to LTIR him they’d have his whole cap hit available. If they sent him to RFD wouldn’t it just save them $1m.

Either way they won’t have his Cap hit after this season.
- HawkintheD

I do not believe they can assign him to Rockford until he is healthy. But I could be wrong.

Hawks can do it before. think the Hawks really need to save LTIR cap space for the TDL to pick up a player for a Cup run?.


- LAHawk

They may need it at the TDL to pick up a bad expiring contract and another asset.

I’d rather have Kahun over Janmark.

During his time here Kahun and DeBrincat played together a lot and experienced success. Bring back Kahun and reunit him with the Cat.
- DarthKane

Idk what your thoughts are on this & I took notice of it too. Why does Strome play well with Adb? That was when he was putting points up. Kahun was producing with Adb, as you pointed out. What's up with the particular chemistry. Limits the line-up & the shake-up would fall apart.

The last 2 years or so, I gave the front office the benefit of the doubt. Taking a stab at Nylander, drafting Dach, Boqvist, Beaudin, etc. At least I could see a rational of stocking up on young upside players that MAY compliment the "core" or develop in time for a "New Core" in 3-4 years.

But, in the ridding of Saad and Crow there sure seems to be a shift to "re-build" and looking 4-5 years down the road. To do this I think Stan and company SHOULD have made this public like the Rangers did. And let the veteran core decide weeks ago, do they want to be part of this....or would they rather be moved. If we have no inrenrion of being a playoff team the next couple or 3 years....why not move Kane????...Toews>>???? Keith???? and get all the assets we can get for them??

Don't give me the crap about having them there to teach the youngsters. If the 3-4 veterans left are feeling defeated, pissed, disgruntled at what their next few years will entail, you really think we want our young guys learning from that?

No. Hawks scenarios should have been one of two:
1. They believed their core and young guys were close, and could make a playoff run if the young guys developed enough. In which case, they find SOME goalie to give them a chance (instead of the league worse trio they presently have)....and without mortgaging the future, try to add a piece or two to help. They didn't do anything close to this....
so.......
2. They thought the young guys they have now need at least 2-3 years, and that we are destined to be a lottery team or close the next year or two. This seems closer to what they think, proven by the movement of Crow and Saad with preciuos little coming back of value. But, if this is the gameplan they are not going near far enough. Strip it right down. Go to the Kanes and Toews and ask where they willing to be moved. Move everything of value not named Dach, Boqvist, and the other young studs.

No, I HATE the off-season this year. It reeks of a team not committing to any true direction, and in a wishy-washy way just making moves with no clear goal.

Crow gone, Saad gone...besides a little Cap space, what have we added to help in 2-3 years. Squat!!!...that's what.

If the Cap space isn't going to be used to help the team NOW...then why care about the Cap space, Heck...could have just let Saad walk next year and got his whole 6 million then.

I just dont see a directon here, just a mess that doesn't look like it will have much resolution for 4-5 years.

I WAS ok with the re-tool, re-load the last two years....Been a Hawk fan since the early 70's....will continue to be so....but I see the lean decade of 1995-2005 looming in front of us. Sad, but it sure looks like it!
- hawk35

Well, the current state of the NHL is bad. I'm sure more money problems will hit the league before its said and done. Part of the problem now is the OMG contracts that 19, 88 and 7 have. Redonkulous money that is weighing the team down and the only one earning it is Kane. 19 and 7 have really fallen off the edge play wise and I get it. The human body can only do so much for so long. Yes some of this falls on Bowman. The Seabs deal was awful, but at the time Toews and Kane signed their deals? The league was on a huge swing up cap wise. Then it nose dived.

There was no easy way around this rebuild, but I will take you to task on the leadership roles for the old guard. They are getting paid big money. If 19 is a Captain then be one. This team was not going anywhere as constructed. Add to that the loss of many 1st round picks while trying to stay in the Cup hunt you have this. Its the cost of winning 3 Cups.

The last 2 years or so, I gave the front office the benefit of the doubt. Taking a stab at Nylander, drafting Dach, Boqvist, Beaudin, etc. At least I could see a rational of stocking up on young upside players that MAY compliment the "core" or develop in time for a "New Core" in 3-4 years.

But, in the ridding of Saad and Crow there sure seems to be a shift to "re-build" and looking 4-5 years down the road. To do this I think Stan and company SHOULD have made this public like the Rangers did. And let the veteran core decide weeks ago, do they want to be part of this....or would they rather be moved. If we have no intension of being a playoff team the next couple or 3 years....why not move Kane????...Toews>>???? Keith???? and get all the assets we can get for them??

Don't give me the crap about having them there to teach the youngsters. If the 3-4 veterans left are feeling defeated, pissed, disgruntled at what their next few years will entail, you really think we want our young guys learning from that?

No. Hawks scenarios should have been one of two:
1. They believed their core and young guys were close, and could make a playoff run if the young guys developed enough. In which case, they find SOME goalie to give them a chance (instead of the league worse trio they presently have)....and without mortgaging the future, try to add a piece or two to help. They didn't do anything close to this....
so.......
2. They thought the young guys they have now need at least 2-3 years, and that we are destined to be a lottery team or close the next year or two. This seems closer to what they think, proven by the movement of Crow and Saad with preciuos little coming back of value. But, if this is the gameplan they are not going near far enough. Strip it right down. Go to the Kanes and Toews and ask where they willing to be moved. Move everything of value not named Dach, Boqvist, and the other young studs.

No, I HATE the off-season this year. It reeks of a team not committing to any true direction, and in a wishy-washy way just making moves with no clear goal.

Crow gone, Saad gone...besides a little Cap space, what have we added to help in 2-3 years. Squat!!!...that's what.

If the Cap space isn't going to be used to help the team NOW...then why care about the Cap space, Heck...could have just let Saad walk next year and got his whole 6 million then.

I just dont see a directon here, just a mess that doesn't look like it will have much resolution for 4-5 years.

I WAS ok with the re-tool, re-load the last two years....Been a Hawk fan since the early 70's....will continue to be so....but I see the lean decade of 1995-2005 looming in front of us. Sad, but it sure looks like it!
- hawk35

It's almost like they played out both your #1 and #2 scenarios.

#1 was in effect until they couldn't/wouldn't sign Crow at what was offered. Then rightfully so, they weren't going to spend assets in a trade for a veteran goalie or sign a UFA goalie.

Then all of sudden on to plan 2. Let's go into rebuild mode.Who can we trade? How about Saad? We probably won't extend him. Who cares if his NTC kicked in and we have limited trade partners.

If the plan was to go rebuild if they couldn't sign Cro, they should have cut bait with him before Saads NTC kicked in.

Theo Fox: Changing Lanes
Focus on the Blackhawks changing lanes from retool to rebuild and the need to do it the right way.
- Theo Fox

First lets give credit to the Hawks organization for rewarding the players that got them 3 Cups in s small period of time, but did anyone think it could go on for ever?
Hockey takes it’s toll on each player differently and it may have taken its toll on Toews by now. Question should some players been moved right away after the 3rd cup, why not. Would you like to have Panarin right now or Toews. With the size of contracts rewarded to Toews, Kane, Keith and Seabrook how does one retool or rebuild. Lot’s of talk about Saad, what if he wanted out? Maybe the locker room could use a new sound. Kane and Keith could have been enough to hold on to as veteran leadership. Hockey is still a business and a business needs to move forward with new ideas and personal. Maybe moving Toews at the right time would have relieved money and help another growing team similar to all the moves the Great one had to make (and no Toews is not equal to the great one)
The times have changed and now, Hawks are deep in debt and will need to depend on up and coming future stars. Big question “is Stan the guy to get the Hawks there”? Let’s remember Stan had the best Hockey advisor ever , his Father Scotty. Lot’s of credit is Scotty’s who helped build those championship teams along with Q.

So Bowman pays $2.2 on a 27 year old washed up, often injured center who was moved to winger.

Is this rebuilding or retooling??

- Lido_Shuffle

Wasn't injured enough to play in the playoffs all the games, eh/

Hawks can do it before. think the Hawks really need to save LTIR cap space for the TDL to pick up a player for a Cup run?.


- LAHawk

It's good to have cap space at the TDL to take on someone's bad contract who needs the cap space to pick up a player for their own stretch run.

How about Galchenyuk, 1 year at 3M as a flip candidate at the TDL?
- boilermaker100

NO

He is currently on Ogi's rat hockey team and not enjoying himself there.

How about Galchenyuk, 1 year at 3M as a flip candidate at the TDL?
- boilermaker100

Sadly this might be our team and fill in the gaps with young guys.

D-Pairings with Beaudin making bus trips when needed?
Keith/Zadorov
De Haan/Murphy
Boq/Mitchell

It really is apples and oranges and not applicable.
- HawkintheD

Totally!

It's good to have cap space at the TDL to take on someone's bad contract who needs the cap space to pick up a player for their own stretch run.
- boilermaker100

You don't think with DaHaan, Shaw, etc., that the Hawks are going to go injury free? They will have plenty of money to "eat" a bad contract.

When I start reading the hawks can win another Cup, I roll my eyes...because that process simply involves so many factors...if someone says what can make the Blackhawks a strong contender, I am fine.

until all the present teams have won at least one Cup, I dont thin k you can swing for the fences with predictions like this...

The last 2 years or so, I gave the front office the benefit of the doubt. Taking a stab at Nylander, drafting Dach, Boqvist, Beaudin, etc. At least I could see a rational of stocking up on young upside players that MAY compliment the "core" or develop in time for a "New Core" in 3-4 years.

But, in the ridding of Saad and Crow there sure seems to be a shift to "re-build" and looking 4-5 years down the road. To do this I think Stan and company SHOULD have made this public like the Rangers did. And let the veteran core decide weeks ago, do they want to be part of this....or would they rather be moved. If we have no intension of being a playoff team the next couple or 3 years....why not move Kane????...Toews>>???? Keith???? and get all the assets we can get for them??

Don't give me the crap about having them there to teach the youngsters. If the 3-4 veterans left are feeling defeated, pissed, disgruntled at what their next few years will entail, you really think we want our young guys learning from that?

No. Hawks scenarios should have been one of two:
1. They believed their core and young guys were close, and could make a playoff run if the young guys developed enough. In which case, they find SOME goalie to give them a chance (instead of the league worse trio they presently have)....and without mortgaging the future, try to add a piece or two to help. They didn't do anything close to this....
so.......
2. They thought the young guys they have now need at least 2-3 years, and that we are destined to be a lottery team or close the next year or two. This seems closer to what they think, proven by the movement of Crow and Saad with preciuos little coming back of value. But, if this is the gameplan they are not going near far enough. Strip it right down. Go to the Kanes and Toews and ask where they willing to be moved. Move everything of value not named Dach, Boqvist, and the other young studs.

No, I HATE the off-season this year. It reeks of a team not committing to any true direction, and in a wishy-washy way just making moves with no clear goal.

Crow gone, Saad gone...besides a little Cap space, what have we added to help in 2-3 years. Squat!!!...that's what.

If the Cap space isn't going to be used to help the team NOW...then why care about the Cap space, Heck...could have just let Saad walk next year and got his whole 6 million then.

I just dont see a directon here, just a mess that doesn't look like it will have much resolution for 4-5 years.

I WAS ok with the re-tool, re-load the last two years....Been a Hawk fan since the early 70's....will continue to be so....but I see the lean decade of 1995-2005 looming in front of us. Sad, but it sure looks like it!
- hawk35

In any rebuild you need to be a little lucky. (for example lower round draft picks, trades, EU free agents, etc.. that turn out to be way better than their backgorund would dictate.) Sharp, Versteeg lopsided trades. Brower 7th round pick. Byfuglien 8th round pick. Hjalmarsson 4th round pick. Burrish 9th round pick. Niemi UFA.

NO

He is currently on Ogi's rat hockey team and not enjoying himself there.
- wiz1901

What will they do with Nylander is my question?

If these are the top 6 forwards, Nylander is on the outside looking in as he doesn’t fit the 3/4 lines.

Kubalik/Toews/Kane
ADB/Dach/Strome

Lafrieniere signs his ELC with max performance bonuses with the Rangers. No surprise there.

So does it really need to be looked at as (talking just money/cap)

Janmark replacing Saad

Zadorov replacing Maata?

Maybe Kahun isn’t interested in coming back.
- walleyeb1

What will they do with Nylander is my question?

If these are the top 6 forwards, Nylander is on the outside looking in as he doesn’t fit the 3/4 lines.

Kubalik/Toews/Kane
ADB/Dach/Strome
- Assman22

I doubt that is how they line up, you have 2 right wings on line 1, and 2 centers on line 2.

Hey DK...

With the current roster, what would your lines look like?
- z1990z

I honestly have no idea how the line will work out.

You don't think with DaHaan, Shaw, etc., that the Hawks are going to go injury free? They will have plenty of money to "eat" a bad contract.
- LAHawk

This of all years will be the one when Shaw doesn't get concussed or deHaan doesn't separate a shoulder.