Janmark is a 4th line forward. I hope the Hawks are still looking for their middle 6 forward.
- DarthKane

Janmark could be 4th line. But I think he could play 3rd line too.

LW? - Toews - Kubalik
LW? - Dach - Kane
LW? - Strome - RW?
LW? - Kampf - RW?

Fill in the ?'s with ADB, Shaw, Suter, Nylander, Janmark, Highmore, & Carp.

Maybe
Suter - Toews - Kubalik
AdB - Dach - Kane
Janmark - Strome - Shaw
Carp/Nylander - Kampf - Highmore

I am not giving Suter a top line spot or demoting Nylander to the 4th line. There are endless combinations. This is just one.

PK Toews, Shaw, Janmark, Kampf, Carp, Dach.

If they are able to sign Kahun the possibilities grow.

Big buff , anemi , Broward , ladd he let those guys walk. After the 2010 season

Bickell was always a bottom line player, his one miraculous playoff run. Was a anomaly. History and stats are a good guage as to how a players career and success will be for the most part.

Bickell was a expendable player
- Taylorst1

Niemi, Buff and Ladd were all Cap Casualties. Ladd and Buff were traded in deal that looked like the one LVK just got for Stastny.

Brouwer didn't go til after the '12 season. Bickell was essentially his replacement. Bickell had more than one good playoff run, btw. He was one of their better forwards in the PHX series in '12 and he followed up a good run in '13 with one in '14.

Did Bickell seem unengaged on a number of nights during the regular season? Sure but the talent was there. If you could transplant Shaw's psyche into Bickell's body, that make a pretty good hockey player, I think.

If you read my post as I laid out in stans early tenure with chicago he let good players walk , sure he was gifted a deep farm league to pluck from . I'm sorry bickell and seabrook neither deserved those contracts . Seabrook age big factor and bickell was always a 4th line player.

If you d9nt resign bickell you still have tevo , if you let seabrook walk im sure the free market would have favored younger defenseman best case or seabrook doesn't find a suitable offer and Stan then can resign him to a better deal than 8 years with a nmc
- Taylorst1

So the Hawks do not sign Bickell, they would use that money to sign someone else. Here are some of the other fowrard UFA in 2013 that signed:

Leclavier Philadelphia 5 years $22.5 mil.
Dupuis 4 year $15 mil. (Bickell money)
Elias 3 years $16.5 mil.
Clowe 5 years $24.5 mil
Ribero 4 years $22 mil.
Horton 7 years $37.1 mil.
STAHLBERG 4 years $12 mil.
Bozak 5 years $21 mil.
Clarkson 7 years $36.5 m
Filpulla 5 years $25 mil.
Weiss 5 years $24.5 mil.

Bickell's contract in hindsight looks pretty good compared to the above. The Hawks had Pirri, Jimmy Hayes, Kyle Beach waiting in the wings to take Bickell's spot


So who would the Hawks have signed? would that have fixed their cap problems? Better yet, which ones of the above performed better than Bickell over the life of the contract.

You know if Stan didn't trade Anisimov for Smith, then Crawford would of been signed because Smith would not be on the Hawks LTIR list. Of course if Stan wouldn't of traded for Anisimov, he would not have to have reacquired Saad. Of course if Kenny Wharram didn't have a heart attack in training camp in 1969, Cliff Koroll would never have become a fixture on right wing with Mikita. If Ted Lindsay did not start the NHLPA, Glenn Hall would of never been a Blackhawk.

I can play the what if game all day long if you want to.

Janmark could be 4th line. But I think he could play 3rd line too.

LW? - Toews - Kubalik
LW? - Dach - Kane
LW? - Strome - RW?
LW? - Kampf - RW?

Fill in the ?'s with Shaw, Suter, Nylander, Janmark, Highmore, & Carp.

Maybe
Suter - Toews - Kubalik
AdB - Dach - Kane
Janmark - Strome - Shaw
Carp/Nylander - Kampf - Highmore




I agree with you. I think you have to "pair up" the lines, and then find that third complimetary piece to each line. Maybe the 4th line being the exception to that rule. And YES, the Kahuna would be a good fit. Had sucess with Strome and Cat and he also played with Kubalik in Europe. If you recall two years ago, Toews-Cat and Kahuna were a line and played well for awhile. Lot of uncertainty and question marks, but that's good because spots will be earned and not handed too.



I am not giving Suter a top line spot or demoting Nylander to the 4th line. There are endless combinations. This is just one.

PK Toews, Shaw, Janmark, Kampf, Carp, Dach.

If they are able to sign Kahun the possibilities grow.
- -Doh-

Niemi, Buff and Ladd were all Cap Casualties. Ladd and Buff were traded in deal that looked like the one LVK just got for Stastny.

Brouwer didn't go til after the '12 season. Bickell was essentially his replacement. Bickell had more than one good playoff run, btw. He was one of their better forwards in the PHX series in '12 and he followed up a good run in '13 with one in '14.

Did Bickell seem unengaged on a number of nights during the regular season? Sure but the talent was there. If you could transplant Shaw's psyche into Bickell's body, that make a pretty good hockey player, I think.
- HawkintheD

Some of Bickell's problems might have been due to the onset of MS. There were times he just didn't look right in the 14-15 playoff whereas he was a monster in the 13 cup and 14 playoff were we should have had the cup. As to the regular season, that's a long grind...

A train wreck of a movie - but when I come across it - I have to watch....
- StLBravesFan

Of course, so do I.

No. He has no interest in managing. The last time didn't work out too well with Ventura
- Elbows15

Not sure if he even speaks spanish, which should be a requirement.

So the Hawks do not sign Bickell, they would use that money to sign someone else. Here are some of the other fowrard UFA in 2013 that signed:

Leclavier Philadelphia 5 years $22.5 mil.
Dupuis 4 year $15 mil. (Bickell money)
Elias 3 years $16.5 mil.
Clowe 5 years $24.5 mil
Ribero 4 years $22 mil.
Horton 7 years $37.1 mil.
STAHLBERG 4 years $12 mil.
Bozak 5 years $21 mil.
Clarkson 7 years $36.5 m
Filpulla 5 years $25 mil.
Weiss 5 years $24.5 mil.

Bickell's contract in hindsight looks pretty good compared to the above. The Hawks had Pirri, Jimmy Hayes, Kyle Beach waiting in the wings to take Bickell's spot


So who would the Hawks have signed? would that have fixed their cap problems? Better yet, which ones of the above performed better than Bickell over the life of the contract.

You know if Stan didn't trade Anisimov for Smith, then Crawford would of been signed because Smith would not be on the Hawks LTIR list. Of course if Stan wouldn't of traded for Anisimov, he would not have to have reacquired Saad. Of course if Kenny Wharram didn't have a heart attack in training camp in 1969, Cliff Koroll would never have become a fixture on right wing with Mikita. If Ted Lindsay did not start the NHLPA, Glenn Hall would of never been a Blackhawk.

I can play the what if game all day long if you want to.
- LAHawk

Yeah - if my bubbe was my zeyde....

I think (only think - I don’t know poop about anything) that Crawford would have been gone no matter the cap situation. My guess (only a guess) is that they’d like to get rid of the rest of the expensive core, given the team and financial situation - Crawford and
Saad were the only ones who could easily be moved out.

Big buff , anemi , Broward , ladd he let those guys walk. After the 2010 season

Bickell was always a bottom line player, his one miraculous playoff run. Was a anomaly. History and stats are a good guage as to how a players career and success will be for the most part.

Bickell was a expendable player
- Taylorst1

He didn't let them walk. You have no idea what that even means so stop saying it. By metrics Bickell was a 2nd line player but didn't get the TOI to prove it.

Same, though couldn't he be sent to RFD without any consequence?
- HawkintheD

Yes. He would have to go through waivers and they could lose him. imagine the horrors.

He didn't let them walk. You have no idea what they even means so stop saying it. By metrics Bickell was a 2nd line player but didn't get the TOI to prove it.
- Elbows15

He also played 3 years at $500K a year to help out the Hawks, so like Krueger Stan honored his commitment and part of Bickell's bump was for past services.

Some of Bickell's problems might have been due to the onset of MS. There were times he just didn't look right in the 14-15 playoff whereas he was a monster in the 13 cup and 14 playoff were we should have had the cup. As to the regular season, that's a long grind...
- Popsghostly

Sadly, I agree with this.

Some of Bickell's problems might have been due to the onset of MS. There were times he just didn't look right in the 14-15 playoff whereas he was a monster in the 13 cup and 14 playoff were we should have had the cup. As to the regular season, that's a long grind...
- Popsghostly

The game slows down in the playoffs - Bickell had trouble seeing the game during the regular season, too fast for him - couldn’t see where he had to be and then get there.

In the tournament, it slowed down enough so he could deal with the game. He was very good in 2012-13 postseason and the next playoffs.

He also played 3 years at $500K a year to help out the Hawks, so like Krueger Stan honored his commitment and part of Bickell's bump was for past services.
- LAHawk

Bickell was one of the most frustrating Hawk players ever for me. I always wanted more from him but never felt he was overpaid. He did come to play in the playoffs every year and that has value. I don't recall exactly what year it was in the 13-15 runs but he hit Pietro so many times that Pietro was looking for him every time he played the puck.

It wasn't just MS that slowed him down. His knees were getting worn out and he as playing with a brace that hindered him.

Hey Wiz, noticed a huge divide in Wheeler ranking my guy Samoskevich 17th overall and you have him in the 4th rd. Gonna be interesting to watch this kid develop in his draft yr.
- Mr Ricochet

The huge divide may be from me not really touching most of the late first round so far.


And I actually haven't had time to look at Wheeler's thoughts either, just scanned the opening players which I thought were crazy incorrect...
I was taking off a few days since we have lots of time, and was concentrating on writing now, and didn't think about Matt Samoskevich, and I certainly didn't see him at June true as coming off the board higher than Brisson or Samuel Colangelo, whom the hawks seem to want.

Lot's a time to re-evaluate, but on your recommendation, I am moving "Sammy" to slot #35.

Not sure if he even speaks spanish, which should be a requirement.
- 6628

Definitely. There are plenty of candidates out there. I trust Hahn. Letting go of Coop was huge and due.

Confirmed Trade - Avs get Toews for two 2nd round picks

Confirmed Trade - Avs get Toews for two 2nd round picks
- -Doh-

Hey, i was just about to post that.....seems like an overpay

Definitely. There are plenty of candidates out there. I trust Hahn. Letting go of Coop was huge and due.
- Elbows15

My $$ is on Alex Cora....

Now that I elevated the excitement/anxiety level on this board .... did I forget to mention it was Devon Toews of the Islanders.

Sadly, I agree with this.
- 6628

Bicks is prolly the guy I would most like to have a beer with off those teams. He seem to be genuinely good dude.

I wish the Bears would clean house too - both the GM and coach. Pace makes Stan look like a genius.
- EbonyRaptor

They will when they miss the playoffs again.

Some of Bickell's problems might have been due to the onset of MS. There were times he just didn't look right in the 14-15 playoff whereas he was a monster in the 13 cup and 14 playoff were we should have had the cup. As to the regular season, that's a long grind...
- Popsghostly

Yeah, hard to tell. He didn't have a goal but was hitting everything in sight, especially in that series with the Ducks.

Always cracks me up that people seem to only want to give him credit for the one series in '13, when in actuality he was a solid playoff performer.

They will when they miss the playoffs again.
- Scott1977

Playoffs!!!!!?

It appears the Habs AND the Avs are gearing up for a Cup run...