Exactly

McPhee/Benning had the Schmidt deal in their back pockets assuming Petro signed with the VGK

As that deal became more likely (and I'm sure Benning was kept in the loop) Benning kept his powder dry regarding capspace and VGK pulled the trigger on it just as Petro put pen to paper

It's possible the Canucks had a last minute shot at Toffoli but with the Petro deal pending Benning let it go knowing Schmidt was likely on his way
- TheGame316

doesnt seem like it

Joshua Clipperton
@JClipperton_CP
Tyler Toffoli says he never really had serious talks with the Canucks about coming back. Adds it was frustrating at the time, but he understood their cap situation.
11:03 AM · Oct 13, 2020

doesnt seem like it

Joshua Clipperton
@JClipperton_CP
Tyler Toffoli says he never really had serious talks with the Canucks about coming back. Adds it was frustrating at the time, but he understood their cap situation.
11:03 AM · Oct 13, 2020
- johnnykarate

cap situation? this team didn't or doesn't have cap issues? what would this guy know!?!!?

here's the thing: it doesn't have to be one way or the other. it can have elements of both.

example: petey was a homerun of a draft pick. an absolute winner! great job jb/scouting staff.

but it's also lucky that 4 teams didn't pick him.

that doesn't mean that it's all luck and jb didn't have any influence. it's just about looking at the complete picture.

the problem is that in this thread, the camps are so divided that anything that resembles context is labeled "hate," and anything positive is "slurping."
- RealityChecker

By this logic, everything in life is due to luck. Which has some truth in it sure, but the trade had more to do with Benning working the phones hard, rather than him just being lucky that he got Schmidt.

cap situation? this team didn't or doesn't have cap issues? what would this guy know!?!!?
- RealityChecker

Pre Covid we had none. Post covid we do like most teams out there.

By this logic, everything in life is due to luck. Which has some truth in it sure, but the trade had more to do with Benning working the phones hard, rather than him just being lucky that he got Schmidt.
- Retinalz

sure. i'd agree with that.

it's ridiculous to say that it was a lucky trade. things had to work out in his/canucks favour and it did. and it wasn't like jb was trying a one in a million shot. it was a good plan that was executed well. it just required something that was out of his control. that's where the luck is involved because we see player/team negotiations break down all the time.

so, it's agreed that benning made a good trade but also needed some luck to consummate it.

Pre Covid we had none. Post covid we do like most teams out there.
- Retinalz

We need to turn more people in here into Schmidt haters to make things spicy again so here:

https://www.instagram.com/p/B_n0DxPHcjw/

https://www.instagram.com/p/ByGy6cpHKSZ/

He likes to dance like Ben Hutton and he’s going to be a video game enabler for Juolevi and Boeser.

doesnt seem like it

Joshua Clipperton
@JClipperton_CP
Tyler Toffoli says he never really had serious talks with the Canucks about coming back. Adds it was frustrating at the time, but he understood their cap situation.
11:03 AM · Oct 13, 2020
- johnnykarate

Shambles R Us

@Makita

Farhan: I’m not gonna sit here and pretend
- VanHockeyGuy[the Schmidt trade] was part of their plan. #canucks

Farhan is dumb dumb....

Did Vegas just call Benning and say here you go of you give me a third... no.

Was it plan a, no, that was OEL, plan b, no, that was Barrie, it might not even have been plan c, but there was a conversation where Benning told him he give them to call him if they got Petr and needed to shed cap.

Great move. If this guy can stay off the juice this is a homerun for Vancouver

We need to turn more people in here into Schmidt haters to make things spicy again so here:

https://www.instagram.com/p/B_n0DxPHcjw/

https://www.instagram.com/p/ByGy6cpHKSZ/

He likes to dance like Ben Hutton and he’s going to be a video game enabler for Juolevi and Boeser.
- Nucker101

I’ve notice he’s pretty good at hockey unlike Hutton though. Also give it until a month into next year. Complaints about his contract, play and general personality will be complained about. Im actually surprised his cap hit hasnt been cried about more

By this logic, everything in life is due to luck. Which has some truth in it sure, but the trade had more to do with Benning working the phones hard, rather than him just being lucky that he got Schmidt.
- Retinalz

This is exactly my point. The guy obviously had numerous talks with them. Likely the bolts too about cernak or serg. Carolina about dougie. The list goes on and on. These talks happened before ufa started and then the dominos go.

sure. i'd agree with that.

it's ridiculous to say that it was a lucky trade. things had to work out in his/canucks favour and it did. and it wasn't like jb was trying a one in a million shot. it was a good plan that was executed well. it just required something that was out of his control. that's where the luck is involved because we see player/team negotiations break down all the time.

so, it's agreed that benning made a good trade but also needed some luck to consummate it.
- RealityChecker

Luck is where preparation meets opportunity my friend

One other thing - there was some chatter on Twitter over the weekend that VGK was looking to trade Schmidt to Florida.

https://twitter.com/andys...tatus/1315424604790370304

I'm sure McCrimmon would much rather have done that, than trade him to a division rival. Interesting that Benning was able to move in and get it done.

Farhan is dumb dumb....

Did Vegas just call Benning and say here you go of you give me a third... no.

Was it plan a, no, that was OEL, plan b, no, that was Barrie, it might not even have been plan c, but there was a conversation where Benning told him he give them to call him if they got Petr and needed to shed cap.
- Pres.cup

It was common knowledge that Canucks were willing to take on a cap hit of up to 8.5MM for multiple years in order to upgrade their D. Vegas would have wanted to know if they were a potential suitor for AP. There were probably multiple discussions about roster structures, positional needs and cap situations between both teams over the past couple of weeks.

Maybe the discounted price of a 3rd round pick for Schmidt came about as a result of Benning agreeing to back off and not drive up the price on AP. To dismiss it as pure luck on JB's part is most likely inappropriate.

sure. i'd agree with that.

it's ridiculous to say that it was a lucky trade. things had to work out in his/canucks favour and it did. and it wasn't like jb was trying a one in a million shot. it was a good plan that was executed well. it just required something that was out of his control. that's where the luck is involved because we see player/team negotiations break down all the time.

so, it's agreed that benning made a good trade but also needed some luck to consummate it.
- RealityChecker

More importantly, like any good GM should, he had a plan that recognized that opportunities may come up, and if they did, he would have resources available to allow him to move quickly to capitalize on any such opportunity. That is where the credit should be given. He remained calm and let the (unique to 2020) situation develop rather than jumping in with both feet.

Glad you where there to provide us the details.
- Marwood

We need to turn more people in here into Schmidt haters to make things spicy again so here:

https://www.instagram.com/p/B_n0DxPHcjw/

https://www.instagram.com/p/ByGy6cpHKSZ/

He likes to dance like Ben Hutton and he’s going to be a video game enabler for Juolevi and Boeser.
- Nucker101

I like him.

One other thing - there was some chatter on Twitter over the weekend that VGK was looking to trade Schmidt to Florida.

https://twitter.com/andys...tatus/1315424604790370304

I'm sure McCrimmon would much rather have done that, than trade him to a division rival. Interesting that Benning was able to move in and get it done.
- Carol Schram

Also smoke that they were discussing moving Pacioretty at the draft

It was common knowledge that Canucks were willing to take on a cap hit of up to 8.5MM for multiple years in order to upgrade their D. Vegas would have wanted to know if they were a potential suitor for AP. There were probably multiple discussions about roster structures, positional needs and cap situations between both teams over the past couple of weeks.

Maybe the discounted price of a 3rd round pick for Schmidt came about as a result of Benning agreeing to back off and not drive up the price on AP. To dismiss it as pure luck on JB's part is most likely inappropriate.
- YeOldTimer

Rather - it was common knowledge that the Canucks were interested in a player currently on a $8.5M contact. We don't know if they wanted salary retained. We don't know if they were insisting on $6M of wasted cap space being taken in exchange. We don't know if he was totally low balling Arizona with the expectation that it would fail. With that last scenario it leaves him with 2 lottery tickets (Arizona and Vegas) for inexpensive but better quality D.

I love all this speculation, let me give it a go.

Benning had this planned last April and while in the bubble completed the deal and was just waiting for the phone call from McCrimmon. It's quite obvious, we played StL and told AP to sign with Vegas and then played Vegas and confirmed the deal, it was plan A1+

The plan was to not panic buy on current UFAs and leave some space open so that they could improve the defence. Slightly disingenuous to say that this specific deal was not part of the plan...of course it wasn't but the room was there as a result of the plan, which allowed the deal to happen. Good save by Benning but still some significant work to do.

Rather - it was common knowledge that the Canucks were interested in a player currently on a $8.5M contact. We don't know if they wanted salary retained. We don't know if they were insisting on $6M of wasted cap space being taken in exchange. We don't know if he was totally low balling Arizona with the expectation that it would fail. With that last scenario it leaves him with 2 lottery tickets (Arizona and Vegas) for inexpensive but better quality D.
- Lostinarink

Sure, lots of unknowns and variables. Bottom line, Canucks looked like they were willing to take on a big cap hit (just like Vegas were) to upgrade their D. That made them a potential competitor for a bid on AP.

IF they had an agreement with Vegas not to bid higher than a certain number, that might explain why the Canucks got Schmidt at what looks to be a discounted price, rather than him going to Florida or any other team outside the division.

Watched the Schmidt interview, well spoken, funny guy. I think he'll fit in well.

thanks for the business advice, tips.

anyway, this is a good trade for the canucks. that we can agree on. i find it humorous how some people get so defensive about needing to defend jb. even when he does something good, he has to be made out to be some sort of infallible futurist!
- RealityChecker

I just think it’s equally humorous to say it’s luck, when it’s literally his job to prepare for ufa season and contact other gms about players. No one is infallible, it’s called preparation.