Yup so he moved on, found a good deal elsewhere. They’re passing on a lot more than the GM in those situations.
- neem55

Now who's flipping things around?

Take off those rose colored sunglasses man! When JB circled back to Stecher & Tanev they had ALREADY signed with their new teams FFS. JB didn't walk, he waited too long.
- VanHockeyGuy

Who cares how you phrase it.. it's all the same. JB gave his best offer and stood his ground instead of caving. Player walked then... that doesnt change anything. He also made offers in trades and the same thing happened. It comes down to not making the same past mistakes and the usual people absolutely hate that right now because it contradicts their schtick.

I'll take Schmidt over Tanev any day. I'm glad he dint give Tanev Calgary's contract. I'm glad he didnt give Arizona the return they wanted for OEL. I'm glad he didnt sign Barrie. Something much better came along by waiting to see where Pietro landed. I never wanted Barrie to begin with. I'm glad he didnt give Marky the contract the Flames did.

People are just trying to justify their child like freaking out by flipping their narratives.

Benning deserves a lot of praise for closing this deal, regardless how he got there. At the end of the day he was one of a number of GM's who got a legit top 4 d for pennies.

I'm sure at least 10 other teams would of jumped on the deal.

You guys try to make this all to complicated, the GM gets all the credit and the blame. Bad trades, bad UFA signings and bad drafts are on him and good trades, good signings and good drafts are attributed to him.

If you want to tally it all up and decide it's taken him too long, or hasn't actually accomplished anything worthwhile or that he's the greatest GM in existence, great.

Debating whether he thought the Schmidt deal would be available or whether he thought Miller would turn out to be elite is asinine. He puts his job on the line with these moves so whether they are calculated months in advance or he goes all in with his gut, it doesn't matter. It either works or it doesn't.

Even when you go the draft and develope route you eventually must trade or sign free agents to balance out the roster, especially if you always draft the BPA 😌
- Shuswap Wap

For sure.

I've always thought you can build a nice core through the draft and then complement the core through trades and signings.

My issue has always been timing. I would have liked for them to wait until now and more likely the next couple of years to add the big tickets.

I think the team's true window starts in 2 seasons. It's that time frame moving forward that Benning should have planned around.

By spending to the limit every year, he's tied his hands somewhat (as we're seeing.). I wanted real patience not th BS that booner is talking about.

Lol - you're not bright enough to tell when someone's joking.

Btw, I've written for the last 7 years for the gm to stay away from all tier 1 UFAs.

The fact that you say I wanted the team to sign
ANY ONE OF THE PLAYERS YOU LISTED solidifies my opinion on your analysis.
- RealityChecker

I'm saying your narrative flip contradicts all that but nice try. More deflections.

Now who's flipping things around?
- VanHockeyGuy

All of us

I think his first options declined but his focus this offseason was clearly to upgrade the d.
I actaully like Schmidt more than some of his first choices, so i guess that’s lucky they didn’t sign

Benning deserves a lot of praise for closing this deal, regardless how he got there. At the end of the day he was one of a number of GM's who got a legit top 4 d for pennies.

I'm sure at least 10 other teams would of jumped on the deal.

You guys try to make this all to complicated, the GM gets all the credit and the blame. Bad trades, bad UFA signings and bad drafts are on him and good trades, good signings and good drafts are attributed to him.

If you want to tally it all up and decide it's taken him too long, or hasn't actually accomplished anything worthwhile or that he's the greatest GM in existence, great.

Debating whether he thought the Schmidt deal would be available or whether he thought Miller would turn out to be elite is asinine. He puts his job on the line with these moves so whether they are calculated months in advance or he goes all in with his gut, it doesn't matter. It either works or it doesn't.
- belcherbd

Great post and I know you are not shy of giving JB poop or credit when it's due.

Who cares how you phrase it.. it's all the same. JB gave his best offer and stood his ground instead of caving. Player walked then... that doesnt change anything. He also made offers in trades and the same thing happened. It comes down to not making the same past mistakes and the usual people absolutely hate that right now because it contradicts their schtick.

I'll take Schmidt over Tanev any day. I'm glad he dint give Tanev Calgary's contract. I'm glad he didnt give Arizona the return they wanted for OEL. I'm glad he didnt sign Barrie. Something much better came along by waiting to see where Pietro landed. I never wanted Barrie to begin with. I'm glad he didnt give Marky the contract the Flames did.

People are just trying to justify their child like freaking out by flipping their narratives.
- boonerbuck

How do you feel about not bringing in Toffoli for that contract?

I think he's improved the defense but still see a worse team than the one that played in the playoffs.

I'm saying your narrative flip contradicts all that but nice try. More deflections.

- boonerbuck

What is my narrative? And when/where did it flip?

Your use of the word narrative is pretty much like the movie "Being John Malkovich."

You just keep walking around saying, "narrative."

Who cares how you phrase it.. it's all the same. JB gave his best offer and stood his ground instead of caving. Player walked then... that doesnt change anything. He also made offers in trades and the same thing happened. It comes down to not making the same past mistakes and the usual people absolutely hate that right now because it contradicts their schtick.

I'll take Schmidt over Tanev any day. I'm glad he dint give Tanev Calgary's contract. I'm glad he didnt give Arizona the return they wanted for OEL. I'm glad he didnt sign Barrie. Something much better came along by waiting to see where Pietro landed. I never wanted Barrie to begin with. I'm glad he didnt give Marky the contract the Flames did.

People are just trying to justify their child like freaking out by flipping their narratives.
- boonerbuck

Booner listen, I get it you're a passionate Canucks fan. I'll say this one last time. He went back to them to get a deal done but it was too late, they had moved on to new teams. Benning didn't walk, he missed his opportunity.

Don't make me post the bunny rabbit and rainbow GIF

FACK this is painful, I need a drink.

Jeff Paterson
@patersonjeff

new #Canucks Schmidt: ‘I can’t wait to get Marchy (Marchessault) a few times’

Booner listen, I get it you're a passionate Canucks fan. I'll say this one last time. He went back to them to get a deal done but it was too late, they had moved on to new teams. Benning didn't walk, he missed his opportunity.

Don't make me post the bunny rabbit and rainbow GIF

FACK this is painful, I need a drink.
- VanHockeyGuy

Narrative narrative narrative narrative narrative narrative narrative narrative narrative narrative narrative narrative narrative narrative narrative.

PS. Narrative!

How do you feel about not bringing in Toffoli for that contract?

I think he's improved the defense but still see a worse team than the one that played in the playoffs.
- belcherbd

For months I had TT 3rd in priority out of the big 3 pending UFA's. He was a rental and I accepted the Canucks most likely would let him walk with limited cap space. A situation most competitive teams are in right now.

I don't know about being worse without TT. He played 10 games and missed most of the playoffs. He was of little factor for 85%(guessing) of what the Canucks accomplished last season. JB is not likely done either. He may add a top 6 somehow or JV improves yet again and Hoglander makes the team. It's too early to guess what this team looks like. A lesson that should have been learned with the Schmidt deal.

Booner listen, I get it you're a passionate Canucks fan. I'll say this one last time. He went back to them to get a deal done but it was too late, they had moved on to new teams. Benning didn't walk, he missed his opportunity.

Don't make me post the bunny rabbit and rainbow GIF

FACK this is painful, I need a drink.
- VanHockeyGuy

So, you have evidence that Benning was willing to give the contracts those players were awarded but he simply took too long to "circle back".

Good grief.

Narrative narrative narrative narrative narrative narrative narrative narrative narrative narrative narrative narrative narrative narrative narrative.

PS. Narrative!
- RealityChecker

I don't expect anything more from the guy with the most face saving to do.

imo its just hard to believe hes acting patient of his own accord. hes aggressively been pushing for the playoffs (which he deserves praise for achieving) but with a few key holes to plug in the offseason he suddenly becomes the epitome of patience?

we know hes struck out on a few and that the ufas who have walked said the contact from the team was minimal.. its obviously tough to compete in the market but at the same time imo either hes got cap concerns or theres an internal budget thing going on
- johnnykarate

JB has always let prospects compete for spots & rewards them when they earn it. He also has been solid on signing his own players to good contracts.

So, you have evidence that Benning was willing to give the contracts those players were awarded but he simply took too long to "circle back".

Good grief.



- boonerbuck

When did VHG say anything of that sort? He said that JB circled back to get a deal done. That doesnt mean it would have gotten done or he would have agreed to those terms.

#MadeUpNarratives

For months I had TT 3rd in priority out of the big 3 pending UFA's. He was a rental and I accepted the Canucks most likely would let him walk with limited cap space. A situation most competitive teams are in right now.

I don't know about being worse without TT. He played 10 games and missed most of the playoffs. He was of little factor for 85%(guessing) of what the Canucks accomplished last season. JB is not likely done either. He may add a top 6 somehow or JV improves yet again and Hoglander makes the team. It's too early to guess what this team looks like. A lesson that should have been learned with the Schmidt deal.
- boonerbuck

Yeah, I'm not talking about whether the team will be better later but right now. I get the argument that Canucks didn't need TT during the regular season but think you need pretty big blinders on to not acknowledge that the team is much better with him in the top 6 than JV, who is currently penciled there.


Markstrom over Holtby
Toffoli over Virtanen
Schmidt over Tanev
Stetcher over Benn

Withholding judgment until training camp is boring

Toffoli in shambles


Taj
@taj1944
11m
Toffoli: I thought I was going to continue the rest of my career with Vancouver
- Nucker101

I don't expect anything more from the guy with the most face saving to do.

- boonerbuck

If you can post a single post that has me wanting to sign any of those players you listed for as high or higher than they signed (or generally any desire for long term deals) I'll quit Hockeybuzz.

You make sh!t up to help your straw man arguments. Take your own advice and own your weakness.

All of us

I think his first options declined but his focus this offseason was clearly to upgrade the d.
I actaully like Schmidt more than some of his first choices, so i guess that’s lucky they didn’t sign
- neem55

Yes D was his priority. If our UFA’s waited it out a lil longer things may have been different. TT might have been squeezed in & JV out.

How do you feel about not bringing in Toffoli for that contract?

I think he's improved the defense but still see a worse team than the one that played in the playoffs.
- belcherbd

Toffoli could’ve waited but didn’t. He made his choice.

Aaaaaccccctttttuuuuuuaaaalllllly... MG advised JB how to ehrhoff another gm.
- RealityChecker

Yes, through Linden, who back channeled the deal..

For months I had TT 3rd in priority out of the big 3 pending UFA's. He was a rental and I accepted the Canucks most likely would let him walk with limited cap space. A situation most competitive teams are in right now.

I don't know about being worse without TT. He played 10 games and missed most of the playoffs. He was of little factor for 85%(guessing) of what the Canucks accomplished last season. JB is not likely done either. He may add a top 6 somehow or JV improves yet again and Hoglander makes the team. It's too early to guess what this team looks like. A lesson that should have been learned with the Schmidt deal.
- boonerbuck

We also lose a 4th if we resigned him.

Yeah, I'm not talking about whether the team will be better later but right now. I get the argument that Canucks didn't need TT during the regular season but think you need pretty big blinders on to not acknowledge that the team is much better with him in the top 6 than JV, who is currently penciled there.


Markstrom over Holtby
Toffoli over Virtanen
Schmidt over Tanev
Stetcher over Benn

Withholding judgment until training camp is boring
- belcherbd

Holtby and his contract over Markstrom and his contract
Toffoli over Virtanen - agree
Schmidt over Tanev - agree
Joulevi over Stetcher and Benn
Gallant over Green, every day, all day, 24/7/365