i don't think he was every really projected to go higher than 3rd or 4th at any point.....that draft always seemed to be a race between Patrick and Hischier, with the 2 dmen as the consolation prize. clearly, in hindsight, the 2 dmen ended up being the best players taken, but they were never projected to be.

had makar been projected to go 4th or 5th and dropped to 10th (as rossi and perfetti were), then yes, it would be the same.
- sensarmy_11

Maybe . Petterson looks pretty damn good too.

And ottawa took a dman and a forward 3 and 5...

the fact that Perfetti and Rossi went 9 and 10, and were passed over by several teams, should tell you something.....no?

you don't know what will happen, Sanderson could end up being the most dominant player to come out of this draft for all you know. Rossi and Perfetti could just be another strome brother........2nd/3rd line player
- sensarmy_11

*checks any draft year....them going 9/10 tells me nothing

why take Barzal or Rantanen when you can have Noah Hanifin

*checks any draft year....them going 9/10 tells me nothing

why take Barzal or Rantanen when you can have Noah Hanifin
- senstroll

my point was that if they were such a "sure thing" as was suggested, they wouldn't have dropped. they may end up being the 2 best players of the draft, but clearly some scouts were at least a little skeptical.....for people to suggest, right now, that they were clearly the better pick over Sanderson is ridiculous

Maybe . Petterson looks pretty damn good too.

And ottawa took a dman and a forward 3 and 5...
- david22

he looks great, no doubt, they're clearly the 3 best in this draft by a considerable margin (so far)...............personally, i'd rather have either of the dmen, but that's just me.

my point was that if they were such a "sure thing" as was suggested, they wouldn't have dropped. they may end up being the 2 best players of the draft, but clearly some scouts were at least a little skeptical.....for people to suggest, right now, that they were clearly the better pick over Sanderson is ridiculous
- sensarmy_11

This is questionable logic... where players go in the draft is not a direct reflection of whether they're the best player. In fact, picks #5-8 in this draft look very much like teams drafting for need vs. perceived BPA. Ottawa clearly felt they needed a premium two-way D-man to bolster their blue line, Anaheim had Zegras already drafted but needed a young PP QB in the system, the Devils wanted to pure goal scorer to complement Hughes/Hischier, and Buffalo wanted the same for Eichel. Next thing you know, you're at #9, and next up are Rossi/Perfetti - who go in that order.

Now, by all accounts these are all very good prospects, and the marginal difference between them may not be great - but Sanderson going at #5 doesn't make him any better of a prospect now then he was 2 weeks ago as more of a consensus #8-12 on many draft lists.

Melnyk has a seating plan for 6000 seats? What? Is he going to cover up even more sections of the arena they can’t sell?

This is questionable logic... where players go in the draft is not a direct reflection of whether they're the best player. In fact, picks #5-8 in this draft look very much like teams drafting for need vs. perceived BPA. Ottawa clearly felt they needed a premium two-way D-man to bolster their blue line, Anaheim had Zegras already drafted but needed a young PP QB in the system, the Devils wanted to pure goal scorer to complement Hughes/Hischier, and Buffalo wanted the same for Eichel. Next thing you know, you're at #9, and next up are Rossi/Perfetti - who go in that order.

Now, by all accounts these are all very good prospects, and the marginal difference between them may not be great - but Sanderson going at #5 doesn't make him any better of a prospect now then he was 2 weeks ago as more of a consensus #8-12 on many draft lists.
- khawk

the problem is "perceived BPA" is completely subjective, and most of what's available to us is speculation from media and mock drafts. If you believe the reports, Ottawa had Sanderson as their 4th BPA. Detroit obviously had Raymond as their 4th BPA, despite most mock drafts having him 5th or 6th.

all of the "draft lists" we had access to as the general public were pure speculation by media and bloggers. if you look at rankings from actual scouts (central scouting), they were actually much closer to the way the draft went

Heard someone propose a Canadian division for next season to alleviate border crossing.?

Could be an interesting idea

Melnyk has a seating plan for 6000 seats? What? Is he going to cover up even more sections of the arena they can’t sell?
- BernardShakey

congratulations on being the one millionth person to make that ridiculously predictable and in no way funny and/or insulting joke.

here's your prize.

Heard someone propose a Canadian division for next season to alleviate border crossing.?

Could be an interesting idea
- david22

not having to play Boston and Tampa 12-16 times a year probably helps our record a bit.

not having to play Boston and Tampa 12-16 times a year probably helps our record a bit.
- sensarmy_11

Not having Detroit in our division means we almost assuredly finish last.

the problem is "perceived BPA" is completely subjective, and most of what's available to us is speculation from media and mock drafts. If you believe the reports, Ottawa had Sanderson as their 4th BPA. Detroit obviously had Raymond as their 4th BPA, despite most mock drafts having him 5th or 6th.
- sensarmy_11

Right, but given the clear positional emphasis that we saw in those picks #5-8, I don't think it's valid to suggest that Rossi/Perfetti fell to #9/10 because they were inferior prospects. It's seems far more about those teams having clearly identified needs for d-men and scoring wingers, and making their selections accordingly.

Personally, I'm not surprised to see positional need playing a larger role in influencing how teams draft, versus the raw BPA mindset - I've actually argued it's a necessary change, given the importance of RFA players to competitive windows. However, you can't then go around confusing the order in which players are drafted with their objective value relative to each other.

Right, but given the clear positional emphasis that we saw in those picks #5-8, I don't think it's valid to suggest that Rossi/Perfetti fell to #9/10 because they were inferior prospects. It's seems far more about those teams having identified needs for d-men, and scoring wingers.
- khawk

oh, I was in no way suggesting they were inferior........I was suggesting that they were not clearly superior, as many people here have suggested, which is likely why they slipped. I think teams likely picked based on need precisely because there was no clear BPAs available.

I just don't like when people poop on the sanderson pick, stating that rossi and perfetti were clearly better players, or clearly players Ottawa needed more......which in both cases is ABSOLTUELY not clear.

the problem is "perceived BPA" is completely subjective, and most of what's available to us is speculation from media and mock drafts. If you believe the reports, Ottawa had Sanderson as their 4th BPA. Detroit obviously had Raymond as their 4th BPA, despite most mock drafts having him 5th or 6th.

all of the "draft lists" we had access to as the general public were pure speculation by media and bloggers. if you look at rankings from actual scouts (central scouting), they were actually much closer to the way the draft went
- sensarmy_11

I feel you are sort of arguing against yourself here. Some players "dropped" because of every teams own rankings. It doesn't necessarily mean there is something inherently wrong with them and they dropped. Teams just had other players ranked higher for a variety of reasons.

This happens every year at the draft. There are no guarantees other than that you can pretty much guaranteed one or two kids in the top 10 are absolute busts and one or two in the bottom 15 turn out to be quality NHLers.

oh, I was in no way suggesting they were inferior........I was suggesting that they were not clearly superior, as many people here have suggested, which is likely why they slipped. I think teams likely picked based on need precisely because there was no clear BPAs available.

I just don't like when people poop on the sanderson pick, stating that rossi and perfetti were clearly better players, or clearly players Ottawa needed more......which in both cases is ABSOLTUELY not clear.
- sensarmy_11

I think it's fair for people to say the team needed Rossi or Perfetti more than Sanderson just as much as it is fair for people to think the team needed Sanderson more than Rossi or Perfetti. If rebuilds were easy, there wouldn't be this debate.

My bigger concern was the lack of urgency by Dorion to possibly nab one of those players by moving up in the draft. The further those guys dropped, the easier it should have been to trade up. They had the picks and existing prospects to do it. Imagine nabbing Rossi or Perfetti after getting Stuzle and Sanderson already?

I feel you are sort of arguing against yourself here. Some players "dropped" because of every teams own rankings. It doesn't necessarily mean there is something inherently wrong with them and they dropped. Teams just had other players ranked higher for a variety of reasons.

This happens every year at the draft. There are no guarantees other than that you can pretty much guaranteed one or two kids in the top 10 are absolute busts and one or two in the bottom 15 turn out to be quality NHLers.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

I was "arguing" with the poster on the last page who said Ottawa was stupid to take Sanderson at 5, and would have been way better off with rossi or perfetti......which clearly nobody knows for sure. my point was simply that if they were "clearly better" prospects than Sanderson (as the top 3 were) then they likely wouldn't have dropped. the fact that they did means that there was nothing clear at all about whether or not they're better.

I guess to sum up my point, anyone suggesting that Ottawa was better off with those players, rather than sanderson, is talking out of their ass until we see what they can do.

I think it's fair for people to say the team needed Rossi or Perfetti more than Sanderson just as much as it is fair for people to think the team needed Sanderson more than Rossi or Perfetti. If rebuilds were easy, there wouldn't be this debate.

My bigger concern was the lack of urgency by Dorion to possibly nab one of those players by moving up in the draft. The further those guys dropped, the easier it should have been to trade up. They had the picks and existing prospects to do it. Imagine nabbing Rossi or Perfetti after getting Stuzle and Sanderson already?
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

fair enough, and who knows, he may have tried and the price was ridiculous. both went inside the top 10, so I have to think the price would have been considerable.

I think it's fair for people to say the team needed Rossi or Perfetti more than Sanderson just as much as it is fair for people to think the team needed Sanderson more than Rossi or Perfetti. If rebuilds were easy, there wouldn't be this debate.

My bigger concern was the lack of urgency by Dorion to possibly nab one of those players by moving up in the draft. The further those guys dropped, the easier it should have been to trade up. They had the picks and existing prospects to do it. Imagine nabbing Rossi or Perfetti after getting Stuzle and Sanderson already?
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

to suggest that they felt Ottawa needed them more is fine......to suggest that they're better and Ottawa was dumb to take sanderson is presumptuous IMO

maybe i'm the one being naïve and too positive.........largely because of how much I HATED the Tkachuk pick, and then how absolutely wrong I was proven.

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fair enough, and who knows, he may have tried and the price was ridiculous. both went inside the top 10, so I have to think the price would have been considerable.
- sensarmy_11

I mean they didn't do it for Lapierre either and moves for late first rounders were not very expensive. Maybe they just didn't like Lapierre but certainly seemed like they were unwilling to make noise trade-wise in round 1 but then got trade happy with picks in the days to follow.

Dadonov ; 3 x 5mills
https://twitter.com/Pierr.../1316801091976208387?s=20

Not sure I am a huge fan of a Evgenii Dadonov signing but at least it's only 3 years.

Definitely more to the story regarding the Duclair negotiations although Evgenii Dadonov is more proven and should provide some scoring.

Come to Daddy! Nice signing

Not sure I am a huge fan of a Evgenii Dadonov signing but at least it's only 3 years.

Definitely more to the story regarding the Duclair negotiations although Evgenii Dadonov is more proven and should provide some scoring.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

hes 31 so lets hope he continues to be a 60 point player for the next 3 years, also give Brady help on the first line. If there is no NTC could be a very valuable trade asset later on if need be.

hes 31 so lets hope he continues to be a 60 point player for the next 3 years, also give Brady help on the first line. If there is no NTC could be a very valuable trade asset later on if need be.
- Athrin

10 teams NTC; if i got it right