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ctbullets
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2012

Oct 16 @ 11:35 PM ET
Been enjoying the chats. I usually only come on during "the silly season". My feeling how it will shake out is: strome will re-sign(may be traded later if they like the return), shaw and seabrook LTIR or contracts moved by some miracle(doubtful), one of dehaan/murphy traded, then as the season gets going younger forwards will be brought in as they feel they're ready to stick. Keith may be a deadline chip if he agrees to waive NTC. That's basically how I see the "plan" coming to light. SB whatever you feel about him always has a direction whether you agree with it or don't. He's very prepared and tactical if anything. Once strome gets signed or traded and the LTIRs happen then a move could be made to find the allusive goalie if any are available. I'm thinking SB is targeting a young(er) goalie that is signed affordably for a couple seasons. The hint on that being his inquiry on matt murray but it fell thru(money). I'd keep an eye on kuemper or georgiev. Whether we want to call it a rebuild or retool I think it's more moving out the old and pricy and integrating younger players (when they're ready). For everyone p*ss'd at SB and "lack of a plan" I understand but the dominoes haven't fallen yet but I can promise you the man is meticulous. We can all argue if he's the right GM or has done a great job but I'm confident there's a plan and it'll show itself in time.
jhawk59
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

Oct 17 @ 12:38 AM ET
Been enjoying the chats. I usually only come on during "the silly season". My feeling how it will shake out is: strome will re-sign(may be traded later if they like the return), shaw and seabrook LTIR or contracts moved by some miracle(doubtful), one of dehaan/murphy traded, then as the season gets going younger forwards will be brought in as they feel they're ready to stick. Keith may be a deadline chip if he agrees to waive NTC. That's basically how I see the "plan" coming to light. SB whatever you feel about him always has a direction whether you agree with it or don't. He's very prepared and tactical if anything. Once strome gets signed or traded and the LTIRs happen then a move could be made to find the allusive goalie if any are available. I'm thinking SB is targeting a young(er) goalie that is signed affordably for a couple seasons. The hint on that being his inquiry on matt murray but it fell thru(money). I'd keep an eye on kuemper or georgiev. Whether we want to call it a rebuild or retool I think it's more moving out the old and pricy and integrating younger players (when they're ready). For everyone p*ss'd at SB and "lack of a plan" I understand but the dominoes haven't fallen yet but I can promise you the man is meticulous. We can all argue if he's the right GM or has done a great job but I'm confident there's a plan and it'll show itself in time.
- ctbullets


I say you are a visionary. Ha just kidding. But I do agree 100 %. With your analysis. Some mid level contract players will be kept if they deserve it. Katulik for example better produce or he will get moved. Saad contract per a 2nd/3rd wing is too rich for some teams. He has inconsistent seasons. Saad is a luxury and with the salaries + team payroll a concerned league- wide, he became a casualty.

Yet we have to give uo something to get something we need. Top pair mean physical dmen are rarely up for trade. So we got a 3rd pair for basically a third line wing. Looking at the entire picture, it was a sensible trade for us. So we had to retain some salary. Now why did we have to retain salary? Going forward Sakic knew his payroll increase comes with Saad who cost more in salary. Plus the Avalanche is not done with transactions. AT some point they may try to upgrade in net.

In a rebuild you try to bring in new talent. Lots of youth. This is now more an objective to be met than in previous seasons. We are going to struggle trying to make playoffs as our last core pieces get older. It is time finally for rebuild and with Rocky approval. McDonough is out of the way, therefore giving Stan more influence on his plan.

I don't know but I do suspect McDonough held up a dismantling - hence rebuild on the fly. It could be Bowman even wanted to start out as a rebuild on the fly too, just that Bowman probably wanted to accelerate the tear down while McDonough thing was to remain very competitive while gradually adding youth.

Too many people complain about things while conveniently overlooking the whole picture.!
Theo Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2016

Oct 17 @ 1:53 AM ET
New blog! Will the Blackhawks core of Toews, Kane, Keith, and Seabrook add to their ring collection in Chicago? Or should they waive their NTCs to pursue the Cup with teams that are already contenders?

https://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=107950
rpeters01
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 07.09.2016

Oct 17 @ 1:53 AM ET
I say you are a visionary. Ha just kidding. But I do agree 100 %. With your analysis. Some mid level contract players will be kept if they deserve it. Katulik for example better produce or he will get moved. Saad contract per a 2nd/3rd wing is too rich for some teams. He has inconsistent seasons. Saad is a luxury and with the salaries + team payroll a concerned league- wide, he became a casualty.

Yet we have to give uo something to get something we need. Top pair mean physical dmen are rarely up for trade. So we got a 3rd pair for basically a third line wing. Looking at the entire picture, it was a sensible trade for us. So we had to retain some salary. Now why did we have to retain salary? Going forward Sakic knew his payroll increase comes with Saad who cost more in salary. Plus the Avalanche is not done with transactions. AT some point they may try to upgrade in net.

In a rebuild you try to bring in new talent. Lots of youth. This is now more an objective to be met than in previous seasons. We are going to struggle trying to make playoffs as our last core pieces get older. It is time finally for rebuild and with Rocky approval. McDonough is out of the way, therefore giving Stan more influence on his plan.

I don't know but I do suspect McDonough held up a dismantling - hence rebuild on the fly. It could be Bowman even wanted to start out as a rebuild on the fly too, just that Bowman probably wanted to accelerate the tear down while McDonough thing was to remain very competitive while gradually adding youth.

Too many people complain about things while conveniently overlooking the whole picture.!

- jhawk59


Yes!

It takes two to tango. Not sure the market for Murphy/deHaan? I don't think Seabrook will be LTIR at least for 20-21. I believe next year (offseason) could be worse than this year for teams moneywise? But I don't have a crystal ball. Just thinking they will be in terrible shape financially after this coming season. There are a few teams money is obviously no object. Vegas for sure.
ctbullets
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2012

Oct 17 @ 2:06 AM ET
I say you are a visionary. Ha just kidding. But I do agree 100 %. With your analysis. Some mid level contract players will be kept if they deserve it. Katulik for example better produce or he will get moved. Saad contract per a 2nd/3rd wing is too rich for some teams. He has inconsistent seasons. Saad is a luxury and with the salaries + team payroll a concerned league- wide, he became a casualty.

Yet we have to give uo something to get something we need. Top pair mean physical dmen are rarely up for trade. So we got a 3rd pair for basically a third line wing. Looking at the entire picture, it was a sensible trade for us. So we had to retain some salary. Now why did we have to retain salary? Going forward Sakic knew his payroll increase comes with Saad who cost more in salary. Plus the Avalanche is not done with transactions. AT some point they may try to upgrade in net.

In a rebuild you try to bring in new talent. Lots of youth. This is now more an objective to be met than in previous seasons. We are going to struggle trying to make playoffs as our last core pieces get older. It is time finally for rebuild and with Rocky approval. McDonough is out of the way, therefore giving Stan more influence on his plan.

I don't know but I do suspect McDonough held up a dismantling - hence rebuild on the fly. It could be Bowman even wanted to start out as a rebuild on the fly too, just that Bowman probably wanted to accelerate the tear down while McDonough thing was to remain very competitive while gradually adding youth.

Too many people complain about things while conveniently overlooking the whole picture.!

- jhawk59


Thanks for the compliment! Nice thoughts. And I don't wanna be misconstrued as some homer that agrees with everything The Almighty One does but I will say most of his moves seem to have a purpose and some foresight. I don't always agree but I see his angle. While most are going ballistic I'm a little more optimistic while interested in the next pieces to the puzzle. Moving out seabrook's contract(which stan gave him or was pressured into) is the big albatross. Kane and toews' deals which I'm sure ownership pushed are also problematic but at the time didn't seem terrible are taking up most of the cap. Love him or hate him what the bleep is stan supposed to do? Idk maybe I'm crazy but I don't see why there's so much venom towards him. They tried to stay afloat and compete and it didnt work. Maybe a yr or 2 overdue but I think this is the right course.
ctbullets
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2012

Oct 17 @ 2:21 AM ET
Yes!

It takes two to tango. Not sure the market for Murphy/deHaan? I don't think Seabrook will be LTIR at least for 20-21. I believe next year (offseason) could be worse than this year for teams moneywise? But I don't have a crystal ball. Just thinking they will be in terrible shape financially after this coming season. There are a few teams money is obviously no object. Vegas for sure.

- rpeters01


I think they're gonna bury a few guys tbh. The main candidates are shaw, smith, seabs. What will be telling is what we hear in the offseason about their statuses. If its silence and not glowing reports they're as good as gone. I think moving murphy in trade would be easy for a solid return. Dehaan would be more difficult but just unloading his contract is key for any draft pick. I think these possible LTIR moves and trades will make us look much better cap wise. I think Duncan will eventually come around to a trade. His salary will be small for another team to take on but his cap hit is avg so half a yr a team can take it on. I'm sure their wracking their brains on how to handle the seabs situation. I doubt he ever plays for us again but that's just a gut feeling.
vabeachbear
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Ft Courage - out in the middle of Indian Country, NC
Joined: 10.17.2011

Oct 17 @ 11:09 AM ET
Booming near the lakes, we live in Mooresville, love Davidson which is small and expensive. For CLT Concord is the spot. Close to Uptown main hospital and theaters (what's that), many doctors living in Concord. Why are flights out of CLT so crazy high? Double NOVA where we moved from. Charlotte climate is fantastic if you like hot weather which I do, my wife not so much. Taxes, what taxes? Roads are crowded...
- rpeters01


We're not far, up between Greensboro and Winston-Salem for me. Roads not as busy (especially this past year............)

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