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Jan Levine
New York Rangers
Joined: 09.16.2005

Oct 15 @ 11:38 AM ET
Tony-

If you are watching Salma in the snake scene and are thinking about mdw, you don't see a problem here?

- TommyGTrain

We all see a problem here....
mdw7413
New York Rangers
Location: I would rather see a dudes hairy balls than his hairy feet-Jimbro
Joined: 12.13.2013

Oct 15 @ 11:39 AM ET
Tony-

If you are watching Salma in the snake scene and are thinking about mdw, you don't see a problem here?

- TommyGTrain



I don't
TPC
New York Rangers
Location: Bucks County, PA
Joined: 01.18.2008

Oct 15 @ 11:40 AM ET
I don't
- mdw7413

"MDW runs to grab to the lube"
mdw7413
New York Rangers
Location: I would rather see a dudes hairy balls than his hairy feet-Jimbro
Joined: 12.13.2013

Oct 15 @ 11:43 AM ET
"MDW runs to JRR's place"
- TPC

gocanes0506
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: United States, NC
Joined: 02.12.2007

Oct 15 @ 11:43 AM ET
Thanks for your opinion. Please explain how New York was gifted the pick? If you had read me during the year, I said that those who were in the playoffs should have at best had the ninth pick, once those teams out of the playoffs had their lottery. Unless you are espousing a conspiracy theory about the ping pong ball itself.

If you want to have the bonuses for the over-35 count, that I would understand more. But how frequently have rookies met their bonuses clauses compared to those who haven't? Plus, should the team not draft talent to make a squad because of a bonus? In addition, those bonuses are standard parts of rookie contract, 35 and older players were awarded as incentives, different sides of the coin.

- airjan23


NYR didnt deserve the pick, they had as many or better than half of the western conference. Either way.

The how many rookies reach their bonus question is a loaded question. How many are playing big minutes, systems with more offense, etc that all feed into the probability that a rookie meets the A & B bonuses. its about impossible question to answer. The Ranger's system will provide ample opportunity for Fox, Laf, and Kakko to earn them.

The rule is there to prevent the big dollar teams from flexing their muscles to create an advantage during the draft or during the season. The NHL gives a very large cushion anyways. 7.5% of potential bonuses is a good amount. Granted NYR should exceed that. Fox, Kakko, Laf, and Igor should earn sizable bonuses.

The rangers are set up to be really good over the next decade. Getting some defense would help with making a run a multiple cups.


JRR1285
New York Rangers
Location: Coach's decision, PEI
Joined: 02.21.2008

Oct 15 @ 11:44 AM ET
[quote=mdw7413]


I'll leave the door unlocked lover.
gocanes0506
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: United States, NC
Joined: 02.12.2007

Oct 15 @ 11:45 AM ET
whiny c*nt
- mrn22



nope just scared. Cuz Canes were so scared of the Rangers coming into the bubble.
gocanes0506
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: United States, NC
Joined: 02.12.2007

Oct 15 @ 11:47 AM ET
Well, we're close to the subject of comprehension (the ability to understand) so, what he finds weird was the specific fact that the entire bonus structure is counted toward the cap, not the actual amount of bonuses earned.
I personally found that to be an interesting fact that I was unaware of. So, maybe not so much complaining as informing? Difficult to have an open discussion in a blog. It's more of a one-sided opinion piece, wouldn't you agree? That is what the comment section is for. Of course, it takes away from the discussion when the first comment on the board is some bumhole female doging about something they want to push some sort of agenda for and ignoring the intentions of the blogger.

Have a nice day.

- Tonybere


thanks for breaking that down for me.
mdw7413
New York Rangers
Location: I would rather see a dudes hairy balls than his hairy feet-Jimbro
Joined: 12.13.2013

Oct 15 @ 11:47 AM ET
NYR didnt deserve the pick, they had as many or better than half of the western conference. Either way.

The how many rookies reach their bonus question is a loaded question. How many are playing big minutes, systems with more offense, etc that all feed into the probability that a rookie meets the A & B bonuses. its about impossible question to answer. The Ranger's system will provide ample opportunity for Fox, Laf, and Kakko to earn them.

The rule is there to prevent the big dollar teams from flexing their muscles to create an advantage during the draft or during the season. The NHL gives a very large cushion anyways. 7.5% of potential bonuses is a good amount. Granted NYR should exceed that. Fox, Kakko, Laf, and Igor should earn sizable bonuses.

The rangers are set up to be really good over the next decade. Getting some defense would help with making a run a multiple cups.

- gocanes0506


See, this should have been your 1st post. While I might disagree, you bring up points that can be debated in a reasonable way.

No reason to go after Jan at 1st.

Coming in hot never works well.
mdw7413
New York Rangers
Location: I would rather see a dudes hairy balls than his hairy feet-Jimbro
Joined: 12.13.2013

Oct 15 @ 11:48 AM ET
[quote=JRR1285]
TPC
New York Rangers
Location: Bucks County, PA
Joined: 01.18.2008

Oct 15 @ 11:48 AM ET
See, this should have been your 1st post. While I might disagree, you bring up points that can be debated in a reasonable way.

No reason to go after Jan at 1st.

Coming in hot never works well.

- mdw7413

Unless its JRR at your house?
JRR1285
New York Rangers
Location: Coach's decision, PEI
Joined: 02.21.2008

Oct 15 @ 11:49 AM ET
See, this should have been your 1st post. While I might disagree, you bring up points that can be debated in a reasonable way.

No reason to go after Jan at 1st.

Coming in hot never works well.

- mdw7413



No it does not because we will often fly off the handle even if you are nice.
JRR1285
New York Rangers
Location: Coach's decision, PEI
Joined: 02.21.2008

Oct 15 @ 11:49 AM ET
Unless its JRR at your house?
- TPC



If that was the case it would be "coming in dry"
mdw7413
New York Rangers
Location: I would rather see a dudes hairy balls than his hairy feet-Jimbro
Joined: 12.13.2013

Oct 15 @ 11:50 AM ET
Unless its JRR at your house?
- TPC


Friction creates heat
mdw7413
New York Rangers
Location: I would rather see a dudes hairy balls than his hairy feet-Jimbro
Joined: 12.13.2013

Oct 15 @ 11:50 AM ET
No it does not because we will often fly off the handle even if you are nice.
- JRR1285


Good point
Tonybere
New York Rangers
Location: ON
Joined: 02.04.2016

Oct 15 @ 11:55 AM ET
Tony-

If you are watching Salma in the snake scene and are thinking about mdw, you don't see a problem here?

- TommyGTrain


No.
Jan Levine
New York Rangers
Joined: 09.16.2005

Oct 15 @ 11:56 AM ET

Good point

- mdw7413

I am the calm and reasonable one, remember. Get your roles straight....
JRR1285
New York Rangers
Location: Coach's decision, PEI
Joined: 02.21.2008

Oct 15 @ 11:57 AM ET
I am the calm and reasonable one, remember. Get your roles straight....
- airjan23



I tried for a long time to be that way but it's simply not gonna work right now.
Tonybere
New York Rangers
Location: ON
Joined: 02.04.2016

Oct 15 @ 11:58 AM ET
I am the calm and reasonable one, remember. Get your roles straight....
- airjan23


Not much is straight with him, Jan.


...not that there's anything wrong with that.
JRR1285
New York Rangers
Location: Coach's decision, PEI
Joined: 02.21.2008

Oct 15 @ 11:59 AM ET
Not much is straight with him, Jan.


...not that there's anything wrong with that.

- Tonybere



You're so quick witted today. You take your Geritol?
mdw7413
New York Rangers
Location: I would rather see a dudes hairy balls than his hairy feet-Jimbro
Joined: 12.13.2013

Oct 15 @ 11:59 AM ET
I am the calm and reasonable one, remember. Get your roles straight....
- airjan23


I usually am. While I certainly go off topic too much, I think I'm pretty reasonable.
Jan Levine
New York Rangers
Joined: 09.16.2005

Oct 15 @ 12:00 PM ET
NYR didnt deserve the pick, they had as many or better than half of the western conference. Either way.

The how many rookies reach their bonus question is a loaded question. How many are playing big minutes, systems with more offense, etc that all feed into the probability that a rookie meets the A & B bonuses. its about impossible question to answer. The Ranger's system will provide ample opportunity for Fox, Laf, and Kakko to earn them.

The rule is there to prevent the big dollar teams from flexing their muscles to create an advantage during the draft or during the season. The NHL gives a very large cushion anyways. 7.5% of potential bonuses is a good amount. Granted NYR should exceed that. Fox, Kakko, Laf, and Igor should earn sizable bonuses.

The rangers are set up to be really good over the next decade. Getting some defense would help with making a run a multiple cups.

- gocanes0506

On first point, don't disagree with you on how the NHL set up the lottery. I have been clear on that.

On others, rationale makes sense. Impossible to determine, but budgeting for prospective bonuses completely is a bit draconian. Yes, preventing big dollar teams from flexing muscle is a concern, though for a player, going somewhere without ability to have sufficient ice time to earn that bonuses might mitigate that concern a bit.
Jan Levine
New York Rangers
Joined: 09.16.2005

Oct 15 @ 12:01 PM ET
You're so quick witted today. You take your Geritol?
- JRR1285

I am not that old. But thank you...and it's Metamucil, not Geritol. Plus, I am always quick witted, just don't like wasting it here.
JRR1285
New York Rangers
Location: Coach's decision, PEI
Joined: 02.21.2008

Oct 15 @ 12:02 PM ET
I am not that old. But thank you...and it's Metamucil, not Geritol. Plus, I am always quick witted, just don't like wasting it here.
- airjan23



I was quoting Tony, Jan. This was only for Tony because he deserves it.
Tonybere
New York Rangers
Location: ON
Joined: 02.04.2016

Oct 15 @ 12:07 PM ET
NYR didnt deserve the pick, they had as many or better than half of the western conference. Either way.

The how many rookies reach their bonus question is a loaded question. How many are playing big minutes, systems with more offense, etc that all feed into the probability that a rookie meets the A & B bonuses. its about impossible question to answer. The Ranger's system will provide ample opportunity for Fox, Laf, and Kakko to earn them.

The rule is there to prevent the big dollar teams from flexing their muscles to create an advantage during the draft or during the season. The NHL gives a very large cushion anyways. 7.5% of potential bonuses is a good amount. Granted NYR should exceed that. Fox, Kakko, Laf, and Igor should earn sizable bonuses.

The rangers are set up to be really good over the next decade. Getting some defense would help with making a run a multiple cups.

- gocanes0506


This is the sort of reasonable debate I can get into!!!

I totally agree that the draft lottery was botched. But, it had nothing to do with NYR. The NHL came up with a ridiculous set of rules for it (them) and in the end the Rangers were in the slot that got the lucky bounce, thanks to a literal poop-kicking by Carolina.
If you want to imply that it was rigged because NY's ball popped up, well that is not a discussion I will enter. No facts = no point.
I completely agree with Jan's point that incurring a penalty for having too many ELC players earning bonuses is probably an unintended consequence of the rule. It's like penalizing a team for drafting well.
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