It's not spot on. It's a distraction. It was never, ever about Kahun vs 4th liners and centers. This org should be sent into the sun if they think those two players are "better" than Kahun.
- TheSabresTaco

Let me get this straight. It's not about keeping as many good players as possible?

See my edit one post above.
- TheSabresTaco

How about this for a role.. Stick VO on the fourth line and first PP. He's abysmal at 5v5 both offensively and defensively. He has an insane shot that he can't get off at 5v5, and he proves that not just everyone can play with Eichel. There's your room for Kahun, who had more 5v5 goals then VO while playing on the third line and never with someone like Eichel.

I think we all understand that Dahlin will be great ...... I wonder what the value is going to be?

Like for Eichel when we extended him for 8 years, his points + talent you could clearly see was worth 10 million.

Dahlin on the other hand, you see the talent and he plays defense. So hes not lighting it up as much as eichel.

Dahlin has 84 points in 141 career games AS A TEENAGER.

My guess is something like 8 years 6 to 7 million. I truly dont think its any higher.
- Sabretooth9

Covid or no covid pricing
Dahkin 8 for 70+

Skinner $ . No deals on his "potential "
Just make sure nobody rfa's him with a 5 year deal like aho in Carolina

Let me get this straight. It's not about keeping as many good players as possible?
- sbroads24

That's not even the same topic. We don't know how much space is left. If there's room for him, and the team wants 14 NHL forwards, you sign him or his equal. Like it or not, he's a Thompson or Cozens replacement. This org chose those two over him, because he wanted too much money.

Different. Roles.

Plain as day.

Day 1 of Kevyn Adams was "we're going to make sure the players have specific roles and mesh together and know their purpose"

Jason Botterill's collection of talent was a waste of everyone's (frank)ing time.

If we have the cap, and want to carry 14 forwards, go ahead and sign Kahun. I'm not against the player. He's a duplicate third line winger. I'd be happy to have him.
- TheSabresTaco

Who. Cares.

Explain the role that you need to lock up for 3 years at 150% market value vs a role where you have a guy who can play all 3 posiotions and move up and down your lineup because they can play center/wing and play 200 feet.

You say it's Thompson vs. Kahun. Thompson doesn't have an 1/8 of the versatility Kahun does. So if that was the choice, it was still dumb

Ugh. First time in a long time I went to battle the (frank)ing crybaby analytic nerds. I appreciate analytics for what they are. But the female doging about Kahun, Eakin, HALL, Girgensons, Larsson is out of (frank)ing control. (frank)ing suicidals.

Sabremetrix, if you're here, your opinions are bad and you should feel bad.
- TheSabresTaco

Exactly. It really got out of control. Analytics are a tool to help you judge a player. I get that. Which I agree with. But it isn’t the end all be all


I personally think Eakin will be fine at 3C. Mean while he’s the worst player ever

Who. Cares.

Explain the role that you need to lock up for 3 years at 150% market value vs a role where you have a guy who can play all 3 posiotions and move up and down your lineup because they can play center/wing and play 200 feet.

You say it's Thompson vs. Kahun. Thompson doesn't have an 1/8 of the versatility Kahun does. So if that was the choice, it was still dumb
- sbroads24

It was the choice. You can also say Olofsson vs Kahun, and we're certain of that answer. I believe both Olofsson and Thompson can play both wings.

Whether or not it was "dumb" is a different discussion.

Exactly. It really got out of control. Analytics are a tool to help you judge a player. I get that. Which I agree with. But it isn’t the end all be all


I personally think Eakin will be fine at 3C. Mean while he’s the worst player ever
- Sabretooth9

I'm glad he filled the role of 3C, but I'm still not a big fan of the player. I like his play style, but I really hope he's more effective than da charts show him to be.

It was the choice. You can also say Olofsson vs Kahun, and we're certain of that answer. I believe both Olofsson and Thompson can play both wings.

Whether or not it was "dumb" is a different discussion.
- TheSabresTaco

It was an example of this team, once again being inept at evaluating talent and production.

What makes it worse, is their claim that they were going to use data to drive decision making.

You have to consider the poster

again he brings up that I think Jim Kelly was a scum for hitting on my sister in Atlanta while Hunter was home dying with his wife


I guess Boss would have encouraged his sister to sleep with Kelly, and drill a peep hole and explore his voyeurism side
- homiedclown

Just be consistent.

Off ice/field circumstances can affect your opinion of a player. It was just an example how something off field affected you, regardless of Kelly's hall of fame playing career. I've met kelly many times, nothing but a gentleman. Please share a positive sam story.

Funny how cheating on 3 wives with the next and porn stars while the wife is home with an infant , doesn't bother you though. 🤔

Exactly. It really got out of control. Analytics are a tool to help you judge a player. I get that. Which I agree with. But it isn’t the end all be all


I personally think Eakin will be fine at 3C. Mean while he’s the worst player ever
- Sabretooth9

And the Hall stuff. (frank) off with that. The (frank)ing crying about how we should never extend him cause there's a remote chance his play is going to go off a cliff after this year is (frank)ing ludicrous.

Go get me a list of elite players and tell me the percentage of players who fell off at 20 (frank)ing 9

- TheSabresTaco

we are at capacity but still have worse players on the roster.. Okposo, lion larry, laser larry and eatkids could all be dropped a line or to rochester to make room for top 9 larry

It was an example of this team, once again being inept at evaluating talent and production.

What makes it worse, is their claim that they were going to use data to drive decision making.
- sbroads24

So them not overpaying for Kahun is them not being able to evaluate talent? If you say so.

Covid or no covid pricing
Dahkin 8 for 70+

Skinner $ . No deals on his "potential "
Just make sure nobody rfa's him with a 5 year deal like aho in Carolina
- Boss34

That is the risk in waiting.
But 8 x $8.75 now? That is Pietrangelo as UFA money after being dominant for several years.
Do they absolutely have to do that now?

For the last time , let me clear this up in regards to sam:

Although i went to quite a few games in 2014 ( lose for sam ) year. I became a season ticket holder in 2015 the mceichel tank season.

- sam was very unimpressive in his 9 game 1 secondary assist introduction to me as a "paying" fan
- the following year, there was alot of hoopla about sam and his "muffin shot," and extra ror practices. Tmgm mentioned he needed to work on his shot and he was putting in extra time. That extra practice apparently lasted a short period of time.
- I hear drunken stories of being a d'ck with eichel off the ice. Being almost arrested, but swept under the rug for being an a$$ at fright world. Sam being super hammered to the point where the cops almost arrested him.
-a few more drunken stories I cant %100 substantiate
- guy cant plug into 2c the position they drafted him for.
- guy is really slow, lacks energy and any pizzazz playing on a losing team.
-guy cant take a picture with a friends teenage daughter ( at the arena) because he has a girlfriend?
- guy continues to be a decent point player, but not the cerebral ice vision guy as touted.
- guy scores hadn't scored 25 plus goals with a top 3 passer in the game.
- guy cant separate himself or really establish anything both years eichel had his devastating injuries. The other #2 guy.
- guy doesnt play pk or defend particularly well
-guy flat out gives up during a play that resulted in a goal

These are my opinions

Slow ,unexciting, non winner that has been given every benefit of a doubt by the Sabres organization.

Also , sat out last contract and may be a difficult player to negotiate with, being that he is attached to eichel and his stats are admittedly fluffed.

The same sammers just love him. He has really proven nothing beyond being a complimentary player on a crappy team.

Please do not pay him as a "core" player.
Ralph gets it. No long extension or big $.
Now sammer swallowers want to give him 7 + million after signing the league mvp from 2018 for 8 million.


Hope this helps ion, as we are all entitled to our own opinions. Now I'll sit back and wait for WEt2 to pick 1 line out if my post and barrage me. 🤔
- Boss34

Reinhart is tougher than Girgensons

We should still sign Kahun, because he's still available and a good player. If we don't I'm ok with it. But he's still a good 3rd liner that said he was open to signing here.
- SDSabre

no room
eichel
hall
skunk
skinner
staal
cozens
olofsson
eakins
tage
casey
maybe girgens

It was the choice. You can also say Olofsson vs Kahun, and we're certain of that answer. I believe both Olofsson and Thompson can play both wings.

Whether or not it was "dumb" is a different discussion.
- TheSabresTaco

So we let Kahun walk to overlay Girgensons when there were several bottom 6 forwards that could fill his role for cheaper ?

We also decided that Eakin was a better investment then Wennberg or Janmark who are much better suited for the defensive matchups that line will be facing ?

At this rate they could get Kahun on the cheap but we decided to give $3M worth of cap to Lazar, Reider, Irwin, and Davidson ?

Let’s face it, he had Rossi there and took Quinn

He completely mismanaged the bottom 6.

However the Hall signing and the Mojo got Staal deals were clear wins.

we are at capacity but still have worse players on the roster.. Okposo, lion larry, laser larry and eatkids could all be dropped a line or to rochester to make room for top 9 larry
- SabresFaninIndiana

Yeah, I sorta want to take the comment back that there isn't room for him, more so refine the comment.

There can be room for him, but I have no idea if he can fit under the cap, as a luxury forward. To be clear, he would be a good addition to this roster. Reider is your 13th guy. The Larry triplets are running the 4th line. They're not going anywhere. Can Kahun be the "10th" forward for the top 9? Or Thompson? Sure he can. Find the cap space and don't overspend.

Boss, if anything else, you've got convictions, and you stand tall with them, and I like that about you.
- TheSabresTaco

I appreciate the banter taco 🤝

Good conversation always 👊

So we let Kahun walk to overlay Girgensons when there were several bottom 6 forwards that could fill his role for cheaper ?

We also decided that Eakin was a better investment then Wennberg or Janmark who are much better suited for the defensive matchups that line will be facing ?

At this rate they could get Kahun on the cheap but we decided to give $3M worth of cap to Lazar, Reider, Irwin, and Davidson ?

Let’s face it, he had Rossi there and took Quinn

He completely mismanaged the bottom 6.

However the Hall signing and the Mojo got Staal deals were clear wins.
- Pegullaville

Running the assumption that those players not only wanted to come here, but also fit their model of the types of players they want is conveniently and regularly ignored.

Making a determination on the draft is folly. I'm not even going to bother going back to that discussion. We can always ask the Flying Spaghetti Monster who will have a better career, but until then, I'll wait to see who the smarter evaluators are.

So them not overpaying for Kahun is them not being able to evaluate talent? If you say so.
- TheSabresTaco

No, it's them saying, you, good NHL player, isn't worth making sure we keep by freaking qualifying you and guaranteeing you stay here at least another year, to help us win hockey games, we rarely win

Reinhart is tougher than Girgensons
- jcragcrumple

You read between the lines 🙂

A+ crags

No, it's them saying, you, good NHL player, isn't worth making sure we keep by freaking qualifying you and guaranteeing you stay here at least another year, to help us win hockey games, we rarely win
- sbroads24

I can't really answer why they didn't qualify him and try to trade him if he wouldn't come off his number. But if they were ever forced into the arb meeting, and he made too much, and we are now forced to trade a top 9 forward, it would have been a pretty bad look.

He's a good player. I want him back. At an appropriate price.

Also, I'm comfortable with this top 9: Hall, Eichel, Reinhart, Cozens, Staal, Skinner, Thompson, Olofsson, Eakin

Over this top 9: Skinner, Eichel, Reinhart, Kahun, Vesey, Sobotka, Johansson, Sheary, Erod

And if the first set vastly outplays the second set, I couldn't give less of a (frank) about the existence of Kahun.

I can't really answer why they didn't qualify him and try to trade him if he wouldn't come off his number. But if they were ever forced into the arb meeting, and he made too much, and we are now forced to trade a top 9 forward, it would have been a pretty bad look.

He's a good player. I want him back. At an appropriate price.

Also, I'm comfortable with this top 9: Hall, Eichel, Reinhart, Cozens, Staal, Skinner, Thompson, Olofsson, Eakin

Over this top 9: Skinner, Eichel, Reinhart, Kahun, Vesey, Sobotka, Johansson, Sheary, Erod

And if the first set vastly outplays the second set, I couldn't give less of a (frank) about the existence of Kahun.
- TheSabresTaco

Because management is bad. Period. Properly managed organizations don't let productive players go unqualified.

The two teams who did- Ottawa, Buffalo

That is the risk in waiting.
But 8 x $8.75 now? That is Pietrangelo as UFA money after being dominant for several years.
Do they absolutely have to do that now?
- IonSabres

They will be extending dahlin for the max length before anymore major signings.

I personally pay him now, where we get some "covid" pricing with the uncertainty.

This contract is gonna be similar to pietrangelo.
Term and length
Good comp. Ion

The $6 million dollar posters are gonna hate krudams
For this contract.