Do you know why Johnsson only fetch a 3rd?

Because NOBODY else wanted him

It only takes 1 other team to justify the price of Kapanen, especially if he was the guy that JR wanted (Young, Fast, Right Handed, RW, with scoring touch and some jam in his game) on a cheap contract with RFA control

Johnsson is NONE of those things

Was he bluffed? Maybe, but he got the guy he obviously wanted the cost of that sometimes is overpaying for it. Not getting Kapanen does not mean signing Jesper Fast and thinking it's the same thing. It also doesn't mean signing Craig Smith (once again, assuming he even wanted to come here). They are not the same players

He also got back more that I thought Murray was worth in trade, so consider it a wash
- TheGame316

I'll just go with that... the rest of your points are getting as tired as RW's hate on certain players. JR did swing a great return for Murray after Chicago balked and most of us thought we were pretty (frank)ed.

I'll just go with that... the rest of your points are getting as tired as RW's hate on certain players. JR did swing a great return for Murray after Chicago balked and most of us thought we were pretty (frank)ed.
- Guile

It's like it has to keep being explained to some people

They think it's like NHL20 where you just submit an offer to a player and all things are equal and you get a response in 10 seconds and the only factor is money

Jesper Fast went to Carolina for 2 Million that means we could have had him for 2.1 Million and Damn JR

Craig Smith went for 3.1 so 3.2 gets him here 100%, Turris for 1.75, Ennis for 1.2. All the deals out there we could have had because all things are equal

Nevermind a lot of these players aren't in the mould of what we actually traded for

Imagine putting all your eggs in the basket of finding a "value" Right winger on a short term deal and negotiating for days and not getting him *for whatever reason* and by that time all the other guys are signed and gone

We could still have Tyler Johnson for 4 years at 5 Million!

meh

He’s neither bad nor good enough to merit the time and energy put into arguing about him on this board so I’m kind of just ready to move on haha.
- Victoro311

Agree, I wouldn't mind Sheary, but he might not be worth the meltdown here if he came back again.

Just get me a middle 6 RW that can slide up the lineup and I'm good. And Koekkoek if possible.

For the life of me I will never understand this extreme hatred of Sheary and this falling down nonsense. Sheary was arguably one of the Pens' best forwards against MTL. He was making stuff happen on the ice and injected a lot of energy.

Obviously there are other players I'd like the Pens to pursue, but for $1M I'm completely on board with a Sheary/McCann tandem on the third line if all other options fail.

I think Soderberg should be looked into. At 34 years old in a market like this I don't think it's unreasonable to think the Pens could have him for $2M at one or even two years. He's still a decent player and at that price gives the Pens the ability to move him, bury him and make other moves if necessary to build around him on the third line come the deadline.

I don't want Sheary back here at any price

You just KNOW he will end up being back with Sid instead if trying other options and when he'd not he'll be falling down and losing puck battles on the 3rd line

No Thanks, That ship has sailed
- TheGame316

You understand that our next man up right wing if Kapanen gets bumped down or someone gets hurt is Evan Rodrigues, right?

If Haula is willing to sign under 2M he’d be a good pickup. Plays wing or centre and talented enough to slot into any line.

I don’t know what his injury problems are, maybe they’re a big issue.

For the life of me I will never understand this extreme hatred of Sheary and this falling down nonsense. Sheary was arguably one of the Pens' best forwards against MTL. He was making stuff happen on the ice and injected a lot of energy.

Obviously there are other players I'd like the Pens to pursue, but for $1M I'm completely on board with a Sheary/McCann tandem on the third line if all other options fail.
- Rinosaur

Personally I don't understand the hatred on Sheary either as I too thought he played pretty decent for us during the qualifiers. Would I go as far and say that he was a huge difference maker for us during that series? No, but the way I see it, he clearly wasn't the blame or reason for us to be eliminated. I'd too would also be on board of him being back in a pens jersey if it ever happens.

I tried to get my girl to be Kamala Harris for Halloween so I could be Joe Biden and sniff her hair for every picture and she didn’t go for it.

It's like it has to keep being explained to some people

They think it's like NHL20 where you just submit an offer to a player and all things are equal and you get a response in 10 seconds and the only factor is money

Jesper Fast went to Carolina for 2 Million that means we could have had him for 2.1 Million and Damn JR

Craig Smith went for 3.1 so 3.2 gets him here 100%, Turris for 1.75, Ennis for 1.2. All the deals out there we could have had because all things are equal

Nevermind a lot of these players aren't in the mould of what we actually traded for

Imagine putting all your eggs in the basket of finding a "value" Right winger on a short term deal and negotiating for days and not getting him *for whatever reason* and by that time all the other guys are signed and gone

We could still have Tyler Johnson for 4 years at 5 Million!

meh
- TheGame316

I never considered Smith, hell, doubt anyone would have thought we could get him at that price... but a lot of us did look at Fast for between 2 and 2.5 mil so that one you aren't going to win any arguments with. Especially with him not getting signed day one.

Sign Chara
- Grinder47

Hands off!

For all the Laine talk, how much do you value advanced metrics? Because Laine is god awful in that department. He's pretty one dimensional.

I'd take Rust over Laine straight up to be honest. Rust can score 30+ goals, costs half as much on the cap, and fits the Pens system to a T. No way would I add in Pettersson and two first rounders to get Laine. That's lunacy!

Jumbo is a Leaf. .. I have to admit, I am surprised...

Jumbo is a Leaf. .. I have to admit, I am surprised...
- Beatnic57

The slowest guy in the league signs with one of the fastest teams in the league - makes sense to me.

Nolan Patrick re-signs for a song.

Jumbo is a Leaf. .. I have to admit, I am surprised...
- Beatnic57

That has to help the Boston/Toronto rivalry.

For all the Laine talk, how much do you value advanced metrics? Because Laine is god awful in that department. He's pretty one dimensional.

I'd take Rust over Laine straight up to be honest. Rust can score 30+ goals, costs half as much on the cap, and fits the Pens system to a T. No way would I add in Pettersson and two first rounders to get Laine. That's lunacy!
- YouMeAndDupuis9

I agree with you. However, for Rust straight up? I would have to seriously consider that. I think this last season might have been an outlier for Rust and he is inching closer to age 30. I think it's possible that Laine, a 22 year old, might mentally mature and become more coachable and potentially improve his work ethic.

For Petts straight up? (which would be more likely) Yes.

Hands off!
- rascalhoudi

You can keep him. When the league finds out he is a robot, be prepared to lose draft picks.

For all the Laine talk, how much do you value advanced metrics? Because Laine is god awful in that department. He's pretty one dimensional.

I'd take Rust over Laine straight up to be honest. Rust can score 30+ goals, costs half as much on the cap, and fits the Pens system to a T. No way would I add in Pettersson and two first rounders to get Laine. That's lunacy!
- YouMeAndDupuis9

I like Rust, so I'm not here to bash him, but he has scored 20 goals once in his career and never scored 30 once.

Laine is an elite talent. He is 22, hasn't hit his peak and has scores a lot of goals playing with weaker centers. Guentzel was just getting into the NHL at 22, imagine how much more upside Laine has from here.

And for those bashing his D, how many 22 year olds in the league are really strong defensively? Sid was not great, Malkin was terrible defensively early in their careers, they turned out ok.

I think GMJR focuses more on need than on scoring bargains. Aside from perhaps Koekkoek the Pens simply don't need any of these players. They are already stacked at forward and do not need to add any more forwards, even at league minimum prices.

I think the only other position that GMJR is going to fill is a veteran goalie and he is going to save all remaining cap space he has for this position, to get the best available. I don't think he wants to go into the season with Jarry and DeSmith as the top two goalies in the organization.
- PghPens668771

We have one legit third line forward.

I tried to get my girl to be Kamala Harris for Halloween so I could be Joe Biden and sniff her hair for every picture and she didn’t go for it.
- j.boyd919

Hahahahaha this would have been great!! Still, pass out candy and sniff little kids. Thafs acceptable right?

We have one legit third line forward.
- 668710

Two actually. Kapanen and McCann. Issue bing that one of them is playing on the top line.

I have a feeling that people who hated Sheary/Simon/Hagelin are gonna hate Kapanen too. Maybe not to Sheary/Simon level, but the same frustrations expressed about Hagelin in the last two years will resurface.

I like Rust, so I'm not here to bash him, but he has scored 20 goals once in his career and never scored 30 once.

Laine is an elite talent. He is 22, hasn't hit his peak and has scores a lot of goals playing with weaker centers. Guentzel was just getting into the NHL at 22, imagine how much more upside Laine has from here.

And for those bashing his D, how many 22 year olds in the league are really strong defensively? Sid was not great, Malkin was terrible defensively early in their careers, they turned out ok.
- MacPatty

What wing does Laine play? LW or RW. I think I'd rather trade Zucker for Laine honestly. Sends more salary out as well.

Two actually. Kapanen and McCann. Issue bing that one of them is playing on the top line.

I have a feeling that people who hated Sheary/Simon/Hagelin are gonna hate Kapanen too. Maybe not to Sheary/Simon level, but the same frustrations expressed about Hagelin in the last two years will resurface.
- Victoro311

Haha well I meant who's actually penciled in on the third line but I agree with you. However I feel Kap as the third wheel isn't so bad on the top line.

Haha well I meant who's actually penciled in on the third line but I agree with you. However I feel Kap as the third wheel isn't so bad on the top line.
- 668710

All three of these guys that I listed aren’t so bad when you have Sid and Guentzel both scoring 40+ goals or Malkin and Kessel putting up PPG as the other two pieces of the line, but they all got crucified anyways.

All three of these guys that I listed aren’t so bad when you have Sid and Guentzel both scoring 40+ goals or Malkin and Kessel putting up PPG as the other two pieces of the line, but they all got crucified anyways.
- Victoro311

Yep, I didn't mind Sheary/Simon with Sid and Jake. Yea Simon made me frustrated at times missing golden opportunities but it's whatever. I feel like we could use Simon badly for the third line, he can create offense and has puck control. Something that line needs badly.