Stating the obvious, but these Ivy League kids are also smart, on top of being good at hockey. There's no sports scholarship bringing them in. They need to be accepted to the schools like everyone else (okay, maybe they get a little bit of help but not a guarantee). I think that translates well to the NHL and becoming a pro.
- Bean_Dip

both Barron and Fox 1998 birthdates, 3 years of ECAC play

I think we underestimate that Barron can jump right in without AHL time

Stating the obvious, but these Ivy League kids are also smart, on top of being good at hockey. There's no sports scholarship bringing them in. They need to be accepted to the schools like everyone else (okay, maybe they get a little bit of help but not a guarantee). I think that translates well to the NHL and becoming a pro.
- Bean_Dip

We haven't had much luck though up until Fox. Not that the Rangers shouldn't always try for these guys, but it hasn't been a good track record.

both Barron and Fox 1998 birthdates, 3 years of ECAC play

I think we underestimate that Barron can jump right in without AHL time
- jimbro83

Its not that he cant, its just that the bonus penalties and where he is on the depth chart will keep him in the AHL.

Its not that he cant, its just that the bonus penalties and where he is on the depth chart will keep him in the AHL.
- aecliptic

yeah they pretty much have to count him as a 1.7 mil cap hit if he is on the roster

gotta see what this Strome number comes in at

yeah they pretty much have to count him as a 1.7 mil cap hit if he is on the roster

gotta see what this Strome number comes in at
- jimbro83

Id guess somewhere between 4.5-5m.

Id guess somewhere between 4.5-5m.
- aecliptic

definitely hopin for 4.5

We haven't had much luck though up until Fox. Not that the Rangers shouldn't always try for these guys, but it hasn't been a good track record.
- mdw7413

I think we've done pretty well with college players, both drafting and free agent wise. Right now we have Kreider, Fox, Lindgren, Miller, Huska and Wall that have all come up through the college ranks. Skjei was a success story coming out of college even if things eventually went south. Not including Trouba here because he was an established NHL guy when we brought him in.

From the FA side we've brought in Hayes who was great, Vesey isn't special but is an NHL player. We've definitely had some misses with guys like Danny Kristo and Matt Gilroy. I'm sure some people can name plenty others but I think we have a pretty decent hit rate out of college. I'd be curious the rangers success rate of turning college FAs into NHL players vs the league average

definitely hopin for 4.5
- jimbro83

The more I think about it the more Im curious to see lines like...

LaFreniere, Zibanejad, Kakko
Panarin, Strome, Kravtsov
Kreider, Chytil, Buchnevich
-- 4th line is a toss up --

The kids will learn a lot from playing with Zibanejad, plus the expectation is that theyre his future line mates anyway so lets get them used to playing with each other.

Panarin and Strome obviously had some chemistry, throw Kravtsov in there with Panarin for a little Russian connection there.

All of that leading to, what I think might be a topic of contension, this third line.
1. Chytil gets 2 experience wingers to play with, wingers that played together with Zibanejad.
2. The 2 of them are also physical players, Kreider more so than Buch, but Buch will throw his body around. Which will potentially help Chytil learn how to use his body more by watching them but to also create some space for him to play.

The more I think about it, the more I really like this lineup.

definitely hopin for 4.5
- jimbro83

I think $4.5 is the number. I have a hard time believing that Strome will get more than Tony. Tony had only 6 less points as a defenseman in two less games. He also finished 12th in Norris voting this year which is obviously a long way from being a finalist but is way more league-wide recognition than Strome has received.

Chicago wrote a letter like the Rangers did a couple of years ago and it's got Twitter goin mad

Chicago wrote a letter like the Rangers did a couple of years ago and it's got Twitter goin mad
- jimbro83

Mild understatement....

Mild understatement....
- airjan23

I think Patrick Kane and Buffalo makes sense

Chicago wrote a letter like the Rangers did a couple of years ago and it's got Twitter goin mad
- jimbro83

I think we've done pretty well with college players, both drafting and free agent wise. Right now we have Kreider, Fox, Lindgren, Miller, Huska and Wall that have all come up through the college ranks. Skjei was a success story coming out of college even if things eventually went south. Not including Trouba here because he was an established NHL guy when we brought him in.

From the FA side we've brought in Hayes who was great, Vesey isn't special but is an NHL player. We've definitely had some misses with guys like Danny Kristo and Matt Gilroy. I'm sure some people can name plenty others but I think we have a pretty decent hit rate out of college. I'd be curious the rangers success rate of turning college FAs into NHL players vs the league average
- SkjeiStadium

Yeah, I guess more of a mixed bag with the players you listed. Lindgren was in the Nash trade though, right? Loved Vesey's work ethic, but man he has such bad hands.

Yeah, I guess more of a mixed bag with the players you listed. Lindgren was in the Nash trade though, right? Loved Vesey's work ethic, but man he has such bad hands.
- mdw7413

Yea good call with Lindgren he was in the Nash trade but he was still at Minnesota when we acquired him so I guess I still think of him as one of our college prospects. Definitely a mixed bag, but I think having Quinn coaching has helped develop some of these college kids like Fox and Lindgren. Hopefully he can do the same with Miller and Barron. Agreed on Vesey.

Yea good call with Lindgren he was in the Nash trade but he was still at Minnesota when we acquired him so I guess I still think of him as one of our college prospects. Definitely a mixed bag, but I think having Quinn coaching has helped develop some of these college kids like Fox and Lindgren. Hopefully he can do the same with Miller and Barron. Agreed on Vesey.
- SkjeiStadium

so weird that Toronto signed Joe Thornton, Jason Spezza and Jimmy Vesey, like WTF

I have to ask, only because of the Hawks notice... lets say Toews goes public with a trade demand stating he doesnt want to be part of a rebuild (similar to the Messier trade, its all too familiar to what EDM did and what transpired in 91). What are the odds, and what do you think it will take to acquire someone like him? Just like Messier, his experience being one of the best in the league and a 3 time cup champion, would make him the immediate leader and captain of the team.

Thoughts?

so weird that Toronto signed Joe Thornton, Jason Spezza and Jimmy Vesey, like WTF
- jimbro83

I guess they need the cheap contracts. That or Dubas just sorted the FA list alphabetically by first name, closed his eyes and scrolled to "J" then made some calls.

Thornton could be good for some of the younger guys the same way Marleau was, but I don't see him bringing a ton to the table offensively. The one I question is the Wayne Simmonds at $1.5M with a NTC. Only 1 year so not a huge deal but I'm not sure what they see in him at this point.

I have to ask, only because of the Hawks notice... lets say Toews goes public with a trade demand stating he doesnt want to be part of a rebuild (similar to the Messier trade). What are the odds, and what do you think it will take to acquire someone like him? Just like Messier, his experience being one of the best in the league and a 3 time cup champion, would make him the immediate leader and captain of the team.

Thoughts?
- aecliptic

Toews makes $10.5M for another 3 years. We couldn't fit him this year and before his contract is up we'll have some major contracts coming up that he would interfere with. Would also need to be protected in the expansion draft. I think the odds are incredibly low.

Toews makes $10.5M for another 3 years. We couldn't fit him this year and before his contract is up we'll have some major contracts coming up that he would interfere with. Would also need to be protected in the expansion draft. I think the odds are incredibly low.
- SkjeiStadium

I think obviously the Hawks would have to eat some of the contract.

ARM CHAIR GM TIME!!!

I guess they need the cheap contracts. That or Dubas just sorted the FA list alphabetically by first name, closed his eyes and scrolled to "J" then made some calls.

Thornton could be good for some of the younger guys the same way Marleau was, but I don't see him bringing a ton to the table offensively. The one I question is the Wayne Simmonds at $1.5M with a NTC. Only 1 year so not a huge deal but I'm not sure what they see in him at this point.
- SkjeiStadium

I have to ask, only because of the Hawks notice... lets say Toews goes public with a trade demand stating he doesnt want to be part of a rebuild (similar to the Messier trade, its all too familiar to what EDM did and what transpired in 91). What are the odds, and what do you think it will take to acquire someone like him? Just like Messier, his experience being one of the best in the league and a 3 time cup champion, would make him the immediate leader and captain of the team.

Thoughts?
- aecliptic

I would 100% be willing to make an offer, though how much is he going to cost?

Salary is also an issue. We're up against the cap as is, so adding a $10.5 AAV salary would be tough. If it did work out though, I would be willing to part with Kravs, one of our top D prospects, and a couple of picks. I would think Kreider, Trouba or Smith would need to go back though.

Edit: or Strome. Maybe they want to try the brother thing like we did with the Staals.

I think obviously the Hawks would have to eat some of the contract.
- aecliptic

Let's say they eat half which is the max. That means that we'd still be on the hook for $5.25 which is much more manageable as we can essentially just not sign Strome, but we'd have to give up considerably more assets to get Chicago to keep $5.25 on their books for 3 years during a flat cap period. I think teams will look at what the Rangers did and try to mirror it, which means not retaining salary and keeping lots of cap flexibility.

I would 100% be willing to make an offer, though how much is he going to cost?

Salary is also an issue. We're up against the cap as is, so adding a $10.5 AAV salary would be tough. If it did work out though, I would be willing to part with Kravs, one of our top D prospects, and a couple of picks. I would think Kreider, Trouba or Smith would need to go back though.
- Bean_Dip

Trouba and Kreider have NTC's