Ghost and a conditional 3rd.

Jacob Trouba part 2
- DEDDIE

That Trouba saga dragged on and on, only to culminate in a deal that grossly underwhelmed. Let's hope that whatever this future Laine trade results in (and appears "lacking") will surprise also, and bode as well as the Pionk, Heinola return for Trouba looks like now. (The trade for Hayes that cost us Heinola (20th overall) in the first place was the disappointing aspect)

While Chevy may take a while with this, hopefully to get the right pieces, I think Laine is traded before his deal expires.

Hasn’t every team’s fans already proposed a terrible trade for this kid already? Pretty sure that’s where we’re at with a Laine swap. Garbage rumors, and that’s about it.

Ghost and a conditional 3rd.
- bruceflyers

for some Winnipeg perogies?

Kane asked for a trade 2-3 years in a row, Chevy was patient.

Trouba asked for a trade for years as well, and in the beginning demanded any team outside of Canada and then only NYR, Chevy did ok.

he will not rush a Laine a trade.

also, sportsnet finally reported what I have said multiple times, Shieffele has said he wants to play with Connor and Wheels. so do we piss off laine or shief?

this is not an easy position for coach or gm, to me both 55 and 29 look like babies

Did Bobby Hull always play with Stan Mikita ?
I don't think so....

also, sportsnet finally reported what I have said multiple times, Shieffele has said he wants to play with Connor and Wheels. so do we piss off laine or shief?

this is not an easy position for coach or gm, to me both 55 and 29 look like babies
- Ross77

I haven't seen/read this report so it's tough to judge, but it doesn't seem too out of place that good players want to play with other good players to give them best chance at success. Of course Scheifele and Laine want to line up with players that do that. When Laine made his comments last off-season, it reeked to me of a player disappointed with his poor season and blaming his usage and the decisions of who he's playing with. His down season surely cost him negotiating leverage and 2 million or more on his last contract, and he chose the wrong course of directing the voice of that frustration.

Also worth noting how tough it must be to be dogged by the media over and over with questions that do nothing but provide drama and entertaining fodder that sells papers and airwaves. Often it seems they're backed into corners, baited into answering questions in ways that drive the narrative. We all clamor for the information and love to speculate about what's going on behind the scenes, but then turn around & condemn the athletes that provide the info, for not "keeping it in the room."

also, sportsnet finally reported what I have said multiple times, Shieffele has said he wants to play with Connor and Wheels. so do we piss off laine or shief?

this is not an easy position for coach or gm, to me both 55 and 29 look like babies
- Ross77

Got a link for that story Ross? I looked for it but could not find it.

I wouldn’t trade Laine for two years of Jones. Would be a horrible trade for the Jets
- Ross77

The guarentee of just 2 years would certainly be a massive risk for the Jets. However, Jones is elite for 27 minutes a night, and Laine is elite for 3 minutes of PP per night. Jets are a better team, but if Jones walks at the end of his deal, it's not a win.

I still like the Barzal rumors, and hope that there is a way to make it work.

also, sportsnet finally reported what I have said multiple times, Shieffele has said he wants to play with Connor and Wheels. so do we piss off laine or shief?

this is not an easy position for coach or gm, to me both 55 and 29 look like babies
- Ross77

Laine sucks the life out of any Centre he plays with. This is not anything new. Scheiffs likes playing a passing/possession game, and whoever plays with Laine has to be ready to play defensive hockey. The guy has zero chemistry and waits in the high slot with his stick pointed to the sky. Unreal shooter, but that's it.

Laine sucks the life out of any Centre he plays with. This is not anything new. Scheiffs likes playing a passing/possession game, and whoever plays with Laine has to be ready to play defensive hockey. The guy has zero chemistry and waits in the high slot with his stick pointed to the sky. Unreal shooter, but that's it.
- bikeguy99

Bang on !!

Just dropping in to ask that everyone stop mentioning Ristolainen and Jones as the only two defencemen available for trade in the world.

Ristolainen is only an NHL level player on the Powerplay, and gets slaughtered at 5v5.

Jones is dramatically overrated, and struggles heavily in the defensive zone. He hasn’t been a top pairing player in 3 years, and is arguably closer to replacement level than he is 2nd pairing.

Stop it.

(Also, Laine has literally only ever struggled with one centre, and it was the aging edition of Little. Both struggled together, not just Little).

Laine sucks the life out of any Centre he plays with. This is not anything new. Scheiffs likes playing a passing/possession game, and whoever plays with Laine has to be ready to play defensive hockey. The guy has zero chemistry and waits in the high slot with his stick pointed to the sky. Unreal shooter, but that's it.
- bikeguy99

The Connor-Scheifele-Wheeler line has struggled more defensively than Laine has at any point in the last 4 years.

Not that that really matters, as you seem to have missed every Jets game in that time, and are basing your Laine review on what Leafs twitter says whenever his name is brought up next to Matthews

Laine sucks the life out of any Centre he plays with. This is not anything new. Scheiffs likes playing a passing/possession game, and whoever plays with Laine has to be ready to play defensive hockey. The guy has zero chemistry and waits in the high slot with his stick pointed to the sky. Unreal shooter, but that's it.
- bikeguy99

Well gawd knows Scheifele doesn't like playing defensive hockey, he wouldn't want to get in another board battle with Conor Garland, those 165 lbs guys are pretty tough to beat... 😂

Just dropping in to ask that everyone stop mentioning Ristolainen and Jones as the only two defencemen available for trade in the world.

Ristolainen is only an NHL level player on the Powerplay, and gets slaughtered at 5v5.

Jones is dramatically overrated, and struggles heavily in the defensive zone. He hasn’t been a top pairing player in 3 years, and is arguably closer to replacement level than he is 2nd pairing.

Stop it.

(Also, Laine has literally only ever struggled with one centre, and it was the aging edition of Little. Both struggled together, not just Little).
- Rexypoo

Feel free to drop back out....
Does Seth Jones know that he is that bad ?

The Connor-Scheifele-Wheeler line has struggled more defensively than Laine has at any point in the last 4 years.

Not that that really matters, as you seem to have missed every Jets game in that time, and are basing your Laine review on what Leafs twitter says whenever his name is brought up next to Matthews
- Rexypoo

I believe that the Schiefele line frequently gets matched up against the other teams top lines.

I believe that the Schiefele line frequently gets matched up against the other teams top lines.
- bennythehat

So I guess none of them are top line players if they’re consistently overmatched and overwhelmed

Feel free to drop back out....
Does Seth Jones know that he is that bad ?
- bennythehat

Does Drew Doughty? Or Brent Seabrook?

Guys who used to be good never know they aren’t anymore.

Does Drew Doughty? Or Brent Seabrook?

Guys who used to be good never know they aren’t anymore.
- Rexypoo

Are you comparing Jones to Seabrook ?

So I guess none of them are top line players if they’re consistently overmatched and overwhelmed
- Rexypoo

How do we ever win any games with a top line like ours ?
Copp and Perreault must be carrying the team every night.

I know most of us (Jets fans) would love to see Winnipeg land that big piece on defense, but I just don't see it happening. I can't remember the last time a team traded an elite winger to acquire an elite, top-pairing defenseman . . . (?) I have to remember all the way back to the Shanahan for Pronger deal (between St. Louis and Hartford), but please, fill me in if I've forgotten another more recent example. (and Hall for Larsson DOES NOT QUALIFY!!) I'm curious if the team that acquired the winger for a star defenseman ever "won" the deal. Hartford sure didn't.

I think, at best, Winnipeg gets themselves a serviceable top 4 guy along with some other pieces (prospects & picks) where we look at the potential and hope to win the trade down the road.

I know most of us (Jets fans) would love to see Winnipeg land that big piece on defense, but I just don't see it happening. I can't remember the last time a team traded an elite winger to acquire an elite, top-pairing defenseman . . . (?) I have to remember all the way back to the Shanahan for Pronger deal (between St. Louis and Hartford), but please, fill me in if I've forgotten another more recent example. (and Hall for Larsson DOES NOT QUALIFY!!) I'm curious if the team that acquired the winger for a star defenseman ever "won" the deal. Hartford sure didn't.

I think, at best, Winnipeg gets themselves a serviceable top 4 guy along with some other pieces (prospects & picks) where we look at the potential and hope to win the trade down the road.
- Quillanrocks

Good point. I think if you look back at it Pronger was a high risk aquisition at the time. Good prospect whos career was undetermined at the time. Blues (Keenan?) took a risk and took some heat for it for a while.

I know most of us (Jets fans) would love to see Winnipeg land that big piece on defense, but I just don't see it happening. I can't remember the last time a team traded an elite winger to acquire an elite, top-pairing defenseman . . . (?) I have to remember all the way back to the Shanahan for Pronger deal (between St. Louis and Hartford), but please, fill me in if I've forgotten another more recent example. (and Hall for Larsson DOES NOT QUALIFY!!) I'm curious if the team that acquired the winger for a star defenseman ever "won" the deal. Hartford sure didn't.

I think, at best, Winnipeg gets themselves a serviceable top 4 guy along with some other pieces (prospects & picks) where we look at the potential and hope to win the trade down the road.
- Quillanrocks

Laine is a bit different due to the number of goals he's scored. The last big trade involving a forward for a defenseman would have been Jones for Johansson. Considering that Johansson has been utilized on the wing at times. This is probably the closest example.

The Connor-Scheifele-Wheeler line has struggled more defensively than Laine has at any point in the last 4 years.

Not that that really matters, as you seem to have missed every Jets game in that time, and are basing your Laine review on what Leafs twitter says whenever his name is brought up next to Matthews
- Rexypoo

Compare Corsi numbers with Connor vs. Laine with Scheifele and Wheeler. I think the numbers might surprise you.