Imagine blaming Adam Lowry for Paul Maurice’s decision not to put him on the ice with Tkachuk, and for Wheeler’s decision to fight
- Rexypoo

Lowry was on the bench when the injury happened and Flames had the last change on the ensuing faceoff (and last change all game long). Neither Lowry nor Maurice can be blamed.

Lowry was on the bench when the injury happened and Flames had the last change on the ensuing faceoff (and last change all game long). Neither Lowry nor Maurice can be blamed.
- jetsnation

From my perspective, Lowry is the most overrated Jet. It's crazy to think that on most nights he gets more ice time than Ehlers.

Ice time is also something that can be measured and universally agreed upon.

So..... it's all good. Lowry's (now ex) girlfriend and Scheiffs may have shared a bottle of vino on a couple occasions. As you would all expect, Lowry landed a few good blows and Schieffs took em like a champ. Sounds like even calling the girl Lowry's "girlfriend" may have been a stretch, so the guys are all good now. No big deal, just two alpha's working things out.

Good on Scheiffs tho. Lowry is one of the toughest guys in this league and needs to start using that to his advantage a little more. Maybe he was trying to spark his inner beast. I was absolutely disgusted he didn't do a single thing when Schieffs took that nasty ankle stomp. Made Wheeler do the dirty work. I have a real love/hate for Lowry. Just run guys through the boards every shift, and beat the bark off anyone who takes a shot at the top 6 guys. That's all, and the city will love you.
- bikeguy99

Seems like there is lots of drama in the room. It also looks like you were there for the fight. Is all the information in your first paragraph all accurate?

Also I do agree with you about Lowry. From my eye test he goes up against other teams third and fourth lines and does nothing but waste time.

Jets have nobody in the entire organization with Lowry’s size and toughness. If you dump him, you have to replace him.

its out there that the Blues offered AP to Leafs for Nylander 2 years ago (before blues cup, before Nylander signed) and Leafs turned him down. If true that would have been a winger traded for stud-d as discussed earlier in the thread. 6 year age difference.

Is there a top 28yo defenseman out there with top 10 or 12 pedigree (as AP would have had at that time) with a team ready to go a different direction?

How about something like this - rebuilding Chicago - would they do Perreault and a second for DK?

Keith is nearing the end but still has game, would be excellent on PP, Jets can fit the cap by move of Perreault and with Little LTIR

Chicago gets a good pick and versatile player back while reducing cost and term (and they are rebuilding)

Seems like there is lots of drama in the room. It also looks like you were there for the fight. Is all the information in your first paragraph all accurate?

Also I do agree with you about Lowry. From my eye test he goes up against other teams third and fourth lines and does nothing but waste time.
- TheUltimateJet

Wasn't in the locker-room when this went down. Heck of a play-by-play from a first hand witness tho. haha. Maybe thats why he didn't do a single thing with his 15 minutes TOI after the Scheiffle injury. I don't know, but I thought he was spineless. To those of you saying he wasn't on the ice when the incident occured, I don't care. He had 20 shifts after that and played a soft cycling game in the 4-1 loss. Gutless performance in my opinion. Watching Wheeler eat 3 heavy punches didn't help one bit.

And yes. Lowry is being used incorrectly. He is not a skill guy, he is not a high TOI guy. He needs 8 minutes a night of hitting guys to hurt them, and dropping the mitts when things get out of hand. It is painful to watch him playing 16 minutes a night with some skilled wingers around him. He needs to be the 1-dimensional player he is, and Winnipeg fans will love him. Anyway, with Statsny here this season, and Perfetti in the near future, Lowrys TOI will hopefully start going down.

Jets have nobody in the entire organization with Lowry’s size and toughness. If you dump him, you have to replace him.
- bennythehat

Tough guy plugs are easy to get, don't cost almost $3 million and don't get 14 or more minutes a night to be an offensive black hole.

How about something like this - rebuilding Chicago - would they do Perreault and a second for DK?

Keith is nearing the end but still has game, would be excellent on PP, Jets can fit the cap by move of Perreault and with Little LTIR

Chicago gets a good pick and versatile player back while reducing cost and term (and they are rebuilding)
- 2.0

Duncan Keith? No, no and no from me!

37-year-old with three yeas left on his hefty contract. Got to be better option out there IMO. Besides, yes, could squeeze him in salary cap wise, but way too close to top end of the cap for my liking.

Some rumours out there that Rangers and Jets are once again talking turkey, and Thanksgiving has passed here in God's country.

Kravstov, Buchnevich, DeAngelo and new draftee B. Schneider for Laine, Perreault, and Niku?

How about something like this - rebuilding Chicago - would they do Perreault and a second for DK?

Keith is nearing the end but still has game, would be excellent on PP, Jets can fit the cap by move of Perreault and with Little LTIR

Chicago gets a good pick and versatile player back while reducing cost and term (and they are rebuilding)
- 2.0

Absolutely not. Keith is washed. He hasn’t been a decent NHL player for 3 seasons. He’s not even good on the powerplay, he’s just there because he was before, and succeeds by way of an OP offence in Chicago

Lowry was on the bench when the injury happened and Flames had the last change on the ensuing faceoff (and last change all game long). Neither Lowry nor Maurice can be blamed.
- jetsnation

This is the correct take

From my perspective, Lowry is the most overrated Jet. It's crazy to think that on most nights he gets more ice time than Ehlers.

Ice time is also something that can be measured and universally agreed upon.
- TheUltimateJet

No he’s not, yes it is absolutely crazy, and yes we all agree on ice time lol

Duncan Keith? No, no and no from me!

37-year-old with three yeas left on his hefty contract. Got to be better option out there IMO. Besides, yes, could squeeze him in salary cap wise, but way too close to top end of the cap for my liking.

Some rumours out there that Rangers and Jets are once again talking turkey, and Thanksgiving has passed here in God's country.

Kravstov, Buchnevich, DeAngelo and new draftee B. Schneider for Laine, Perreault, and Niku?
- grahamzky

actual salary is about 2m/year for the next 3, can be exposed to seattle, acquisition cost should be low... and I believe in a better situation that he will do much better. He still has enough 'fire' to play well - and it usually is about the mental state of aging players that does them in. He is still an excellent skater. I would have him on a short list.

I don't want DeAngelo, cant imagine cheering for him.

actual salary is about 2m/year for the next 3, can be exposed to seattle, acquisition cost should be low... and I believe in a better situation that he will do much better. He still has enough 'fire' to play well - and it usually is about the mental state of aging players that does them in. He is still an excellent skater. I would have him on a short list.

I don't want DeAngelo, cant imagine cheering for him.
- 2.0

Seattle is going analytics heavy, from what I’ve heard, so they won’t even look at Keith’s name if you spray painted it on the side of the rink.
Fire or not, his body is done.

That suggested NYR trade is a massive overpayment by the Rangers, so I would do it. I would then flip DeAngelo for maximum value as he’s essentially what Barstool would be like as a man and not a company

Seattle is going analytics heavy, from what I’ve heard, so they won’t even look at Keith’s name if you spray painted it on the side of the rink.
Fire or not, his body is done.

That suggested NYR trade is a massive overpayment by the Rangers, so I would do it. I would then flip DeAngelo for maximum value as he’s essentially what Barstool would be like as a man and not a company
- Rexypoo

The Rangers put Deangelo out there and there were no takers. He is a very gifted offensive D that can not defend my three year old from entering the zone and getting a grade A scoring chance

Seattle is going analytics heavy, from what I’ve heard, so they won’t even look at Keith’s name if you spray painted it on the side of the rink.
Fire or not, his body is done.

That suggested NYR trade is a massive overpayment by the Rangers, so I would do it. I would then flip DeAngelo for maximum value as he’s essentially what Barstool would be like as a man and not a company
- Rexypoo

Yes, may be over payment by Rangers, others might say opposite, so it might be close. Let's not forget that some say that Laine is a generational scorer - got to get value back.

So, if over payment it's a starting point. So maybe the Jets add a Vesalainen, or dare I say a Lowry? Or Harkins?

What is Tampa going to do to solve their cap issues and sign their RFAs?

I thought they'd figure it out but cap space is starting to dry up around the league, could one of those RFA's be had, could Chevy somehow get Sergachev from the Lightning, what would it take?

The Rangers put Deangelo out there and there were no takers. He is a very gifted offensive D that can not defend my three year old from entering the zone and getting a grade A scoring chance
- Ross77

TBH, I don't really want DeAngelo either, but it's a good package and DeAngelo is only signed for two years when he becomes a RFA. Might have value?

If the Jets can't move him to another team, it's not a huge cap hit, and who knows, maybe he turns his attitude and overall game around, matures - approaching UFA?

But as you are kind of saying, maybe better options out there.

What is Tampa going to do to solve their cap issues and sign their RFAs?

I thought they'd figure it out but cap space is starting to dry up around the league, could one of those RFA's be had, could Chevy somehow get Sergachev from the Lightning, what would it take?
- JetFuel

Do? Pray? Sergachev probably one of the players on top of my wish list.

How this work out for either team I'm not sure. Jets can probably fit him in? TB? I'm not sure. Trade Killorn and Johnson to Detroit? Ottawa? Maybe someone else?

Do? Pray? Sergachev probably one of the players on top of my wish list.

How this work out for either team I'm not sure. Jets can probably fit him in? TB? I'm not sure. Trade Killorn and Johnson to Detroit? Ottawa? Maybe someone else?
- grahamzky

Apparently Johnson gave them a list of teams he'd be willing to go to but who knows, maybe he picked teams that he knew wouldn't want him or had their own cap troubles.
I would of thought Killorn would've been traded already, he's a useful player with a reasonable cap hit.
I think the Jets could fit Sergachev in once Little goes on LTIR but I'm not certain how LTIR works exactly.
If I'm a team with cap space and Tampa came calling to dump someone they needed to get rid of I'd tell them to pay up or call someone else.

I'm not gonna be at all surprised if Tampa pulls something with Stamkos going on LTIR, Johnson demoted to the minors for a tiny bit of cap space and to piss him off and their RFAs sign team friendly bridge deals, none of them have arbitration rights so it's not like they have a ton of options.

Sergachev would be a great addition to the Jets patchy backend.

Apparently Johnson gave them a list of teams he'd be willing to go to but who knows, maybe he picked teams that he knew wouldn't want him or had their own cap troubles.
I would of thought Killorn would've been traded already, he's a useful player with a reasonable cap hit.
I think the Jets could fit Sergachev in once Little goes on LTIR but I'm not certain how LTIR works exactly.
If I'm a team with cap space and Tampa came calling to dump someone they needed to get rid of I'd tell them to pay up or call someone else.

I'm not gonna be at all surprised if Tampa pulls something with Stamkos going on LTIR, Johnson demoted to the minors for a tiny bit of cap space and to piss him off and their RFAs sign team friendly bridge deals, none of them have arbitration rights so it's not like they have a ton of options.

Sergachev would be a great addition to the Jets patchy backend.
- JetFuel

Sergachev a dream come true! Make the Jets a contending team!

Think somehow that Stamkos goes on LTIR until they sort things out.

Apparently Johnson gave them a list of teams he'd be willing to go to but who knows, maybe he picked teams that he knew wouldn't want him or had their own cap troubles.
I would of thought Killorn would've been traded already, he's a useful player with a reasonable cap hit.
I think the Jets could fit Sergachev in once Little goes on LTIR but I'm not certain how LTIR works exactly.
If I'm a team with cap space and Tampa came calling to dump someone they needed to get rid of I'd tell them to pay up or call someone else.

I'm not gonna be at all surprised if Tampa pulls something with Stamkos going on LTIR, Johnson demoted to the minors for a tiny bit of cap space and to piss him off and their RFAs sign team friendly bridge deals, none of them have arbitration rights so it's not like they have a ton of options.

Sergachev would be a great addition to the Jets patchy backend.
- JetFuel

From what I remember from the Phil Kessel situation, players normally say they will only accept trade to teams that cannot afford them essentially creating full no movement clauses. Or they pick teams that do not have the ability to offer adequate package he's to trade for them. Interestingly Winnipeg was one of the teams that was not on his no trade list.

I do not think that Stamkos will go on LTIR. He's got lots of hockey to play.

If the Jets want Sergachev, most likely a three way deal would have to be worked out, with the Jets getting Sergachev and another third team (Arizona) getting Stamkos.

In my opinion this would be a good move for the Jets.

From what I remember from the Phil Kessel situation, players normally say they will only accept trade to teams that cannot afford them essentially creating full no movement clauses. Or they pick teams that do not have the ability to offer adequate package he's to trade for them. Interestingly Winnipeg was one of the teams that was not on his no trade list.

I do not think that Stamkos will go on LTIR. He's got lots of hockey to play.

If the Jets want Sergachev, most likely a three way deal would have to be worked out, with the Jets getting Sergachev and another third team (Arizona) getting Stamkos.

In my opinion this would be a good move for the Jets.
- TheUltimateJet

No need to involve a third team at all, just trade picks/prospects for Sergachev.

Stamkos is either playing for Tampa or going on LTIR, his full no move clause assures that he won't be going to Arizona or any other struggling organization.

Jets would need to create some cap space though, I'm not entirely sure about how LTIR works but I don't think the Jets could use it for Little until the season actually starts so if they did acquire Sergachev they'd need to move out say Perreault somewhere to sign Sergachev or wait until just when the season is starting to sign him, I might be wrong about that though.

No need to involve a third team at all, just trade picks/prospects for Sergachev.

Stamkos is either playing for Tampa or going on LTIR, his full no move clause assures that he won't be going to Arizona or any other struggling organization.

Jets would need to create some cap space though, I'm not entirely sure about how LTIR works but I don't think the Jets could use it for Little until the season actually starts so if they did acquire Sergachev they'd need to move out say Perreault somewhere to sign Sergachev or wait until just when the season is starting to sign him, I might be wrong about that though.
- JetFuel

In the last few years, LTIR has changed. LTIR can be used in the off-season while the 10% off-season cushion is active. To use off-season LTIR the team must provide doctors proof that the player in question will continue to be injured at the beginning of the regular season for 10 NHL games and 24 calendar days. This may be difficult this year due to the uncertainty of when the regular season is going to start.

Apparently Johnson gave them a list of teams he'd be willing to go to but who knows, maybe he picked teams that he knew wouldn't want him or had their own cap troubles.
I would of thought Killorn would've been traded already, he's a useful player with a reasonable cap hit.
I think the Jets could fit Sergachev in once Little goes on LTIR but I'm not certain how LTIR works exactly.
If I'm a team with cap space and Tampa came calling to dump someone they needed to get rid of I'd tell them to pay up or call someone else.

I'm not gonna be at all surprised if Tampa pulls something with Stamkos going on LTIR, Johnson demoted to the minors for a tiny bit of cap space and to piss him off and their RFAs sign team friendly bridge deals, none of them have arbitration rights so it's not like they have a ton of options.

Sergachev would be a great addition to the Jets patchy backend.
- JetFuel

I’d love to have Sergachev but only if one of him Heinola or Samberg can play their opposite side. We really are set up nicely long term on left side D with morrisey, heinola and Samberg. It should not be seen as a problem area at all.
And to be honest, I’d rather have Cirelli