In the last few years, LTIR has changed. LTIR can be used in the off-season while the 10% off-season cushion is active. To use off-season LTIR the team must provide doctors proof that the player in question will continue to be injured at the beginning of the regular season for 10 NHL games and 24 calendar days. This may be difficult this year due to the uncertainty of when the regular season is going to start.
- MJL

I thought that only applied to guys who have already been on LTIR like Horton for example and first time cases like Little could only be started at the beginning of the season.

I’d love to have Sergachev but only if one of him Heinola or Samberg can play their opposite side. We really are set up nicely long term on left side D with morrisey, heinola and Samberg. It should not be seen as a problem area at all.
And to be honest, I’d rather have Cirelli
- Ross77

Of Tampa's rfa's Cirelli interests me the least, really wonder if he's just a byproduct of a stacked Tampa team.

I question if Heinola can handle the rigours of playoff hockey and I'm just not very high on Samberg.

Sergachev is smooth, mobile and not a runt, he'd be a great partner for Pionk.

Lowry was on the bench when the injury happened and Flames had the last change on the ensuing faceoff (and last change all game long). Neither Lowry nor Maurice can be blamed.
- jetsnation

Who is the jets toughest hitter/fighter? Lowry in my opinion, with Sbisa on deck. Why does it matter who was on the ice when the incident went down? It's a playoff series, early in the 1st period in game 1. Lowry had an entire series ahead of him to set the tone. Once Scheiff's went down, Jets fans knew there chances of winning this serious took a massive blow. Lowry could have been a physical impact and chose to rely on his highly fantasized offensive capabilities. To be fair, he did play well in the jets only win. But not good enough to win a series by any means.

I sure I am not the only guy watching who hoped the jets would match the flames ability to stoop low, targeting Monohan and Johnny hockey relentlessly. Fights didn't have to be consensual, and you made sure you let them know how you felt about someone taking our your star. Jets opted to play a skilled game without their most skilled player. Didn't work. Maybe if the big boys would have played a touch more old-school, the flames would not have had as easy of a series as they did. It is in the past now, but my memories of that spiritless response certainly taints my opinion of the jets tough guys.

Who is the jets toughest hitter/fighter? Lowry in my opinion, with Sbisa on deck. Why does it matter who was on the ice when the incident went down? It's a playoff series, early in the 1st period in game 1. Lowry had an entire series ahead of him to set the tone. Once Scheiff's went down, Jets fans knew there chances of winning this serious took a massive blow. Lowry could have been a physical impact and chose to rely on his highly fantasized offensive capabilities. To be fair, he did play well in the jets only win. But not good enough to win a series by any means.

I sure I am not the only guy watching who hoped the jets would match the flames ability to stoop low, targeting Monohan and Johnny hockey relentlessly. Fights didn't have to be consensual, and you made sure you let them know how you felt about someone taking our your star. Jets opted to play a skilled game without their most skilled player. Didn't work. Maybe if the big boys would have played a touch more old-school, the flames would not have had as easy of a series as they did. It is in the past now, but my memories of that spiritless response certainly taints my opinion of the jets tough guys.
- bikeguy99

Calgary did what I thought they would, pound the tiny Jets into the ice.

As that series went on I thought the Jets should of dressed Sbisa as a 4th line winger, he's big, strong and skates well and can throw the fists when necessary, he could've at least pushed back against the physical play the Flames were throwing at the Jets, not saying he would've been some huge difference maker but it would've been nice to see some kind of push back against those dirt bags.

Of Tampa's rfa's Cirelli interests me the least, really wonder if he's just a byproduct of a stacked Tampa team.

I question if Heinola can handle the rigours of playoff hockey and I'm just not very high on Samberg.

Sergachev is smooth, mobile and not a runt, he'd be a great partner for Pionk.
- JetFuel

I’m not really sold on Sergachev. He’s looking like a #4 right about now. He’s also very weak defensively, so pairing him with Pionk is a recipe for disaster.

I don’t think Sergachev is worth the risk of blocking another lefty when Heinola might already be better

I’m not really sold on Sergachev. He’s looking like a #4 right about now. He’s also very weak defensively, so pairing him with Pionk is a recipe for disaster.

I don’t think Sergachev is worth the risk of blocking another lefty when Heinola might already be better
- Rexypoo

I'm not really sold on having so many 6' or less dmen that weigh a lot less then 200 lbs.

We can go round and round with the same conversations and fancy stats can be clung to as the be all and end all that defines a hockey players ability but I just don't buy that a small D core is going to get very far in the playoffs.

Who is the jets toughest hitter/fighter? Lowry in my opinion, with Sbisa on deck. Why does it matter who was on the ice when the incident went down? It's a playoff series, early in the 1st period in game 1. Lowry had an entire series ahead of him to set the tone. Once Scheiff's went down, Jets fans knew there chances of winning this serious took a massive blow. Lowry could have been a physical impact and chose to rely on his highly fantasized offensive capabilities. To be fair, he did play well in the jets only win. But not good enough to win a series by any means.

I sure I am not the only guy watching who hoped the jets would match the flames ability to stoop low, targeting Monohan and Johnny hockey relentlessly. Fights didn't have to be consensual, and you made sure you let them know how you felt about someone taking our your star. Jets opted to play a skilled game without their most skilled player. Didn't work. Maybe if the big boys would have played a touch more old-school, the flames would not have had as easy of a series as they did. It is in the past now, but my memories of that spiritless response certainly taints my opinion of the jets tough guys.
- bikeguy99

We don’t need a fighter. Most teams don’t have one.
Lowry was an utter juggernaut in the play-in. The best performance we’ve seen out of him in his entire career. You guys have to be watching a different sport if you don’t think the team was carried entirely by Lowry, Copp, and Ehlers in that series.

As for your comments about stooping low, and “fights don’t have to be consensual”: Yes, they do. One of the things that made me love Dano was his ability to bait people into taking stupid penalties against him. You try to throw hands at someone who doesn’t want to, and keeps their gloves on, you get a roughing penalty.
Tkachuk has done that on purpose more than a few times in his career

We don’t need a fighter. Most teams don’t have one.
Lowry was an utter juggernaut in the play-in. The best performance we’ve seen out of him in his entire career. You guys have to be watching a different sport if you don’t think the team was carried entirely by Lowry, Copp, and Ehlers in that series.

As for your comments about stooping low, and “fights don’t have to be consensual”: Yes, they do. One of the things that made me love Dano was his ability to bait people into taking stupid penalties against him. You try to throw hands at someone who doesn’t want to, and keeps their gloves on, you get a roughing penalty.
Tkachuk has done that on purpose more than a few times in his career
- Rexypoo

It just goes to show how sad our team really is, when stone hands declining Adam Lowry is considered the best player on the team.

In my opinion

It just goes to show how sad our team really is, when stone hands declining Adam Lowry is considered the best player on the team.

In my opinion
- TheUltimateJet

There's no argument from me that Conner, Wheeler didn't have a good series, it happens.
But am I suppose to be impressed that Lowry and Copp were better than Roslovic, Eakin, Perreault, Harkins, Shore, Bourque, Shaw?

I don't think so. (in my opinion)

It just goes to show how sad our team really is, when stone hands declining Adam Lowry is considered the best player on the team.

In my opinion
- TheUltimateJet

Honestly I'm not putting any stock into individual performances from the playin against Calgary, four games without two of your best players(55+29) in a crazy season for your own team, the rest of the league and world really mean nothing.

The only thing I'll take away from the playin was the Jets are too small, too easy to play against and the D core is way too small.

*In my opinion

Oh and just cause I say I think they need to be tougher and harder to play against does it mean I think Lowry is invaluable, a hockey team can have players that are both tough to play against and at the same time not be total offensive black holes.

It just goes to show how sad our team really is, when stone hands declining Adam Lowry is considered the best player on the team.

In my opinion
- TheUltimateJet

Yes , but there may be only one player on the planet that considered Lowry to be the best player on the team. And don't get me wrong, I normally like Lowry.

That same person might figure Heinola equals Sergachev right now, or that Pionk is better than Seth Jones.

Yes, Lowry got a few (very few) points against the Flames. However his job on the team is to be a policeman and provide some hits and muscle. To that note he was MIA, while the Flames ran us out of the rink. If he can't/won't do it, we need someone else that will.

You don't necessarily have to drop the gloves, but if they run our players, you run theirs.

Many are down on Connor and Wheeler because they didn't light up the scoreboard against the Flames. Did anyone notice that their Centre was missing? Wasn't it just last year that Ehlers was being criticized for not scoring in the playoffs?

Yes, I know all expect our best and highest paid players to produce in every game, but it's just not possible all the time. The effort was there, it just didn't happen - this time. The puck was around the net, it didn't just go in.

Yes , but there may be only one player on the planet that considered Lowry to be the best player on the team. And don't get me wrong, I normally like Lowry.

That same person might figure Heinola equals Sergachev right now, or that Pionk is better than Seth Jones.

Yes, Lowry got a few (very few) points against the Flames. However his job on the team is to be a policeman and provide some hits and muscle. To that note he was MIA, while the Flames ran us out of the rink. If he can't/won't do it, we need someone else that will.

You don't necessarily have to drop the gloves, but if they run our players, you run theirs.

Many are down on Connor and Wheeler because they didn't light up the scoreboard against the Flames. Did anyone notice that their Centre was missing? Wasn't it just last year that Ehlers was being criticized for not scoring in the playoffs?

Yes, I know all expect our best and highest paid players to produce in every game, but it's just not possible all the time. The effort was there, it just didn't happen - this time. The puck was around the net, it didn't just go in.
- grahamzky

From my perspective, I would trade Heinola straight up for Sergachev right now. There is no guarantee that Heinola will develop into a top 4 defenseman and we have to remember that guys like Scheifele, Connor, Ehlers, Laine are not all going to stay young forever and I think we should be trying to maximize their years on the team rather than waiting on prospects to develop. Especially while we have a Vezina caliber goalie in his prime.

Furthermore, I believe that Seth Jones is an absolute beast, I watched that one game against Tampa where the man played over 60 minutes, which for the most part was at a high level. I do not think that any typical NHL'er can do that easily as Jones.

Anyways just some Ultimate thoughts for a gloomy Saturday afternoon......

I'm not really sold on having so many 6' or less dmen that weigh a lot less then 200 lbs.

We can go round and round with the same conversations and fancy stats can be clung to as the be all and end all that defines a hockey players ability but I just don't buy that a small D core is going to get very far in the playoffs.
- JetFuel

Size is a luxury, not a necessity. If we have two guys with identical numbers, and one is 6’3” 220 while the other is 5’10” 170, I probably pick the bigger guy. Either way, their impact is the same. Size and strength is an input, not an output. If a big guy has an advantage over a smaller opponent, that will be reflected in the results.

There’s a reason Hedman and Pietrangelo are the only big and pissed off guys (sorry Dougie) guys in the upper echelon of NHL defenceman. The game is getting faster and faster, and skill trumps all.

The bottom line is that no matter what size the player is, their impact is what it is.
Enstrom had a stronger track record of preventing shots and scoring chances in front of our net than any of Morrissey, Byfuglien, Trouba, etc. despite being small. Only Byfuglien ever came close. Why? Because size is only an advantage on its own when you’re right in front of the net at a stand still.
Sbisa might be able to throw someone out of the paint, but Morrissey likely never lets them get there because he’s angled them wide with his skating and lack of dumbassery.

Yes , but there may be only one player on the planet that considered Lowry to be the best player on the team. And don't get me wrong, I normally like Lowry.

That same person might figure Heinola equals Sergachev right now, or that Pionk is better than Seth Jones.

Yes, Lowry got a few (very few) points against the Flames. However his job on the team is to be a policeman and provide some hits and muscle. To that note he was MIA, while the Flames ran us out of the rink. If he can't/won't do it, we need someone else that will.

You don't necessarily have to drop the gloves, but if they run our players, you run theirs.

Many are down on Connor and Wheeler because they didn't light up the scoreboard against the Flames. Did anyone notice that their Centre was missing? Wasn't it just last year that Ehlers was being criticized for not scoring in the playoffs?

Yes, I know all expect our best and highest paid players to produce in every game, but it's just not possible all the time. The effort was there, it just didn't happen - this time. The puck was around the net, it didn't just go in.
- grahamzky

1: I never said Lowry was the best player on the team. I said he had the strongest performance in the play-in. Maybe Ehlers was better. They both popped off.
2: Let’s remember I also provided proof for Seth Jones being worse than Neal Pionk. Reading isn’t hard.
3: Heinola had the strongest numbers on the blueline for us before DeMelo showed up. At 18. He’s been dominant overseas so far this year, and tracks very similarly to Miro Heiskanen.
Sergachev is a #4 defenceman being sheltered on a dynasty level team.
4: Wheeler and Connor are making just under 16mil to not be able to perform away from Scheifele? Is that not cause for concern?
It’s one thing for Ehlers to be playing exactly the same way in the playoffs as he does in the regular season, and just having no luck, and a whole other thing for Connor to be called out by the commentary team on national television for being invisible while Wheeler was visibly gassed and lagging behind the play.

From my perspective, I would trade Heinola straight up for Sergachev right now. There is no guarantee that Heinola will develop into a top 4 defenseman and we have to remember that guys like Scheifele, Connor, Ehlers, Laine are not all going to stay young forever and I think we should be trying to maximize their years on the team rather than waiting on prospects to develop. Especially while we have a Vezina caliber goalie in his prime.

Furthermore, I believe that Seth Jones is an absolute beast, I watched that one game against Tampa where the man played over 60 minutes, which for the most part was at a high level. I do not think that any typical NHL'er can do that easily as Jones.

Anyways just some Ultimate thoughts for a gloomy Saturday afternoon......
- TheUltimateJet

Agree with your stated thoughts!

From my perspective, I would trade Heinola straight up for Sergachev right now. There is no guarantee that Heinola will develop into a top 4 defenseman and we have to remember that guys like Scheifele, Connor, Ehlers, Laine are not all going to stay young forever and I think we should be trying to maximize their years on the team rather than waiting on prospects to develop. Especially while we have a Vezina caliber goalie in his prime.

Furthermore, I believe that Seth Jones is an absolute beast, I watched that one game against Tampa where the man played over 60 minutes, which for the most part was at a high level. I do not think that any typical NHL'er can do that easily as Jones.

Anyways just some Ultimate thoughts for a gloomy Saturday afternoon......
- TheUltimateJet

Heinola is already a top 4 defenceman. Sergachev is fringe. I’m not 100% against trading Heinola for a top tier talent, but I’m not trading him for the 3rd best lefty on the Lightning.

Also, who cares about Jones playing 60 minutes. You can be a tremendous athlete, and still lack hockey IQ or raw skill. Jack Roslovic dunks on everyone (including Scheifele) in the fitness testing, but he’s not our #1 guy

1: I never said Lowry was the best player on the team. I said he had the strongest performance in the play-in. Maybe Ehlers was better. They both popped off.
2: Let’s remember I also provided proof for Seth Jones being worse than Neal Pionk. Reading isn’t hard.
3: Heinola had the strongest numbers on the blueline for us before DeMelo showed up. At 18. He’s been dominant overseas so far this year, and tracks very similarly to Miro Heiskanen.
Sergachev is a #4 defenceman being sheltered on a dynasty level team.
4: Wheeler and Connor are making just under 16mil to not be able to perform away from Scheifele? Is that not cause for concern?
It’s one thing for Ehlers to be playing exactly the same way in the playoffs as he does in the regular season, and just having no luck, and a whole other thing for Connor to be called out by the commentary team on national television for being invisible while Wheeler was visibly gassed and lagging behind the play.
- Rexypoo

After your comments on Heinola, Enstrom, Jones, Pionk, Serghachev, you need to say no more.

But hope you're right about Heinola!

After your comments on Heinola, Enstrom, Jones, Pionk, Serghachev, you need to say no more.

But hope you're right about Heinola!
- grahamzky

From my perspective on what I have witnessed from observing this board is that:
-2 years ago Sami Niku was being touted as a sure fire top 4 defenseman, and now everyone is speaking about getting rid of him
-3 years ago everyone was speaking about Tucker Poolman as if he was the second coming. I aptly named him the messiah and so far he has been underwhelming.
-In 2016, everyone was speaking about Chevy's impeccable first round draft picks and such no one questioned Logan Stanley. No one really know what Logan Stanley is and as such he seems to be stuck in AHL purgatory.

Now I am hearing lots about Heinola and Sandberg. Both are being highly touted and are said be sure fire top four defenseman. I have learned to temper my expectations and am hoping they become something.

In the meantime, Sergachev has developed well. He's also had the opportunity to study under Victor Hedman, which I think will help him in his career. Much like Weber tutoring Jones has helped him.

I am sure other athletes on this board can speak to getting fatigued and making more mistakes as they play longer. Jones is a minute cruncher and is a great defenseman.

From my perspective on what I have witnessed from observing this board is that:
-2 years ago Sami Niku was being touted as a sure fire top 4 defenseman, and now everyone is speaking about getting rid of him
-3 years ago everyone was speaking about Tucker Poolman as if he was the second coming. I aptly named him the messiah and so far he has been underwhelming.
-In 2016, everyone was speaking about Chevy's impeccable first round draft picks and such no one questioned Logan Stanley. No one really know what Logan Stanley is and as such he seems to be stuck in AHL purgatory.

Now I am hearing lots about Heinola and Sandberg. Both are being highly touted and are said be sure fire top four defenseman. I have learned to temper my expectations and am hoping they become something.

In the meantime, Sergachev has developed well. He's also had the opportunity to study under Victor Hedman, which I think will help him in his career. Much like Weber tutoring Jones has helped him.

I am sure other athletes on this board can speak to getting fatigued and making more mistakes as they play longer. Jones is a minute cruncher and is a great defenseman.
- TheUltimateJet

Fans, including myself, always value their own team's prospects higher than they should. It's just natural. I talk to other teams' fans and they say how great prospect X is, and what a steal. I say "let's wait and see." It's not my first rodeo!

Heinola has untapped potential but let's wait and see. He will get his chance. I have high hopes for both him and Samberg!

I still think Poolman is under-rated - and will show massive growth this season, barring injury. Problem is he's injury prone - and a UFA next season.

We don’t need a fighter. Most teams don’t have one.
Lowry was an utter juggernaut in the play-in. The best performance we’ve seen out of him in his entire career. You guys have to be watching a different sport if you don’t think the team was carried entirely by Lowry, Copp, and Ehlers in that series.

As for your comments about stooping low, and “fights don’t have to be consensual”: Yes, they do. One of the things that made me love Dano was his ability to bait people into taking stupid penalties against him. You try to throw hands at someone who doesn’t want to, and keeps their gloves on, you get a roughing penalty.
Tkachuk has done that on purpose more than a few times in his career
- Rexypoo

No Rexy. Fights don't have to be consensual. You should expect to eat a few punches when you cheap shot anyone, let alone a star. Some guy walks down the street and pushes an old lady into a busy street, you don't give the guy a smack because he didn't want to fight you? My point is he knows his role with this club, and was absolutely spineless when the jets needed a physical presence. Heck, Ehlers fights more often, and against bigger guys. Don't have to win but at least show up. A 2 minute minor in a 4-1 3rd period for instigating was the least of any Jets fans concerns in game 1 of the series.

As for your last sentence, any team carried by Lowry and Copp is a losing team. It kinda has to be top 6 guys to lead the way if you expect to win more than one game.

Heinola is already a top 4 defenceman. Sergachev is fringe. I’m not 100% against trading Heinola for a top tier talent, but I’m not trading him for the 3rd best lefty on the Lightning.

Also, who cares about Jones playing 60 minutes. You can be a tremendous athlete, and still lack hockey IQ or raw skill. Jack Roslovic dunks on everyone (including Scheifele) in the fitness testing, but he’s not our #1 guy
- Rexypoo

Your saying a 220lb proven D with 35 reg season points, 10 playoff points, and a cup ring is 100% more NHL ready than a 175lb 19 year old fresh of a 7 point season in Finland? I like Ville, but that's simply a ridicules statement. The kid will most likely play in the AHL this coming season. Come on man.

Your saying a 220lb proven D with 35 reg season points, 10 playoff points, and a cup ring is 100% more NHL ready than a 175lb 19 year old fresh of a 7 point season in Finland? I like Ville, but that's simply a ridicules statement. The kid will most likely play in the AHL this coming season. Come on man.
- bikeguy99

Well in my opinion, if Rexy's evaluations are correct, than I am definitely looking forward to the next big international tournament. Especially where Pionk is either higher on the USA depth chart or that he outright beats out Jones for a position on the team.

Interestingly Pionk was described as the worst defenseman ever last year to all of a sudden being better than Seth Jones.

Well in my opinion, if Rexy's evaluations are correct, than I am definitely looking forward to the next big international tournament. Especially where Pionk is either higher on the USA depth chart or that he outright beats out Jones for a position on the team.

Interestingly Pionk was described as the worst defenseman ever last year to all of a sudden being better than Seth Jones.
- TheUltimateJet

In my opinion, the troll's comments are becoming more and more absurd.

In my opinion, the troll's comments are becoming more and more absurd.
- bennythehat

It makes serious analytics people a laughing stock while the rest of us say to ourselves something like ‘if that is what analytics are about then I am an eye test person’. There is no reasoning with this one, he’s too far gone up his ass.

From my perspective on what I have witnessed from observing this board is that:
-2 years ago Sami Niku was being touted as a sure fire top 4 defenseman, and now everyone is speaking about getting rid of him
-3 years ago everyone was speaking about Tucker Poolman as if he was the second coming. I aptly named him the messiah and so far he has been underwhelming.
-In 2016, everyone was speaking about Chevy's impeccable first round draft picks and such no one questioned Logan Stanley. No one really know what Logan Stanley is and as such he seems to be stuck in AHL purgatory.

Now I am hearing lots about Heinola and Sandberg. Both are being highly touted and are said be sure fire top four defenseman. I have learned to temper my expectations and am hoping they become something.

In the meantime, Sergachev has developed well. He's also had the opportunity to study under Victor Hedman, which I think will help him in his career. Much like Weber tutoring Jones has helped him.

I am sure other athletes on this board can speak to getting fatigued and making more mistakes as they play longer. Jones is a minute cruncher and is a great defenseman.
- TheUltimateJet

Niku came in hot then got jerked around by the team, Poolman was always going to be a 3rd pairing defenceman and most people expected that because of his age, and I audibly said “oh, f*ck me, they did not” in 2016 at the moment Bettman said “There is a trade to announce” or whatever. Stanley was an immediately criticized pick everywhere but on TV during the draft.

As for the Sergachev and Jones comparisons... Sergachev is hidden and sheltered behind both Hedman and McDonaugh, while Jones has struggled for the last 3 years.

I cannot understand why people refuse to do any research on Jones. It’s so confusing. It’s like if some random dudes who don’t work for any car companies said on TV that my old Hyundai Accent was one of the fastest cars in the world, and I just believed them. So strange