No Rexy. Fights don't have to be consensual. You should expect to eat a few punches when you cheap shot anyone, let alone a star. Some guy walks down the street and pushes an old lady into a busy street, you don't give the guy a smack because he didn't want to fight you? My point is he knows his role with this club, and was absolutely spineless when the jets needed a physical presence. Heck, Ehlers fights more often, and against bigger guys. Don't have to win but at least show up. A 2 minute minor in a 4-1 3rd period for instigating was the least of any Jets fans concerns in game 1 of the series.

As for your last sentence, any team carried by Lowry and Copp is a losing team. It kinda has to be top 6 guys to lead the way if you expect to win more than one game.
- bikeguy99

What an absolutely useless analogy. There is no expectation of violence or physical contact when you’re walking down the street. Totally incompatible situations.

As for the fighting comment, yes, they do have to be consensual. I can board Scheifele from behind at full speed, and if I keep my gloves on while you freak the f*ck out, and refuse to stop swinging or trying to get the refs off you, I’m going for boarding, and you’re going for roughing and probably an unsportsmanlike with a neat chance at a game misconduct.

And yes, a team carried by Copp and Lowry is likely a losing team. Which is what the Jets are right now. Because the team is mishandled

Well in my opinion, if Rexy's evaluations are correct, than I am definitely looking forward to the next big international tournament. Especially where Pionk is either higher on the USA depth chart or that he outright beats out Jones for a position on the team.

Interestingly Pionk was described as the worst defenseman ever last year to all of a sudden being better than Seth Jones.
- TheUltimateJet

Dude, the tournaments are notorious for not using players the way they should. Remember the 2016 WCH? Byfuglien was the best defenceman on that team, and he barely played. Jones will be top pairing until he dies, or when Columbus lets him walk.

Canada is probably gonna wheel out Doughty on the top pairing in the next Olympics, and he wasn’t even top 4 on his own team. Reputation is everything to these guys. They want viewers.

As for the Pionk comment, both things can be true. Pionk was a huge surprise this season.
He was the worst defensive player in the NHL during the 18-19 season. He successfully stopped 1 controlled zone entry that whole year, which is unheard of.
This year, he did the same thing 190 times. Unheard of reversal of fortune.

Your saying a 220lb proven D with 35 reg season points, 10 playoff points, and a cup ring is 100% more NHL ready than a 175lb 19 year old fresh of a 7 point season in Finland? I like Ville, but that's simply a ridicules statement. The kid will most likely play in the AHL this coming season. Come on man.
- bikeguy99

You understand, of course, that where Heinola plays this season has absolutely 0 bearing on what level of player he is in comparison to Sergachev, right? Especially on a team that has known pro-scouting issues on defence like the Jets?

You’re also using total points, weight, and team success as an evaluation for a defenceman. On the best team of the salary cap era. Interesting.

In my opinion, the troll's comments are becoming more and more absurd.
- bennythehat

From my perspective, I don't think Rexy is a troll. I think he has a different way of looking at hockey and at times I do find his perfection to be refreshing. It's different than how I see the game and in my opinion it's neat to see how others view it.

Dude, the tournaments are notorious for not using players the way they should. Remember the 2016 WCH? Byfuglien was the best defenceman on that team, and he barely played. Jones will be top pairing until he dies, or when Columbus lets him walk.

Canada is probably gonna wheel out Doughty on the top pairing in the next Olympics, and he wasn’t even top 4 on his own team. Reputation is everything to these guys. They want viewers.

As for the Pionk comment, both things can be true. Pionk was a huge surprise this season.
He was the worst defensive player in the NHL during the 18-19 season. He successfully stopped 1 controlled zone entry that whole year, which is unheard of.
This year, he did the same thing 190 times. Unheard of reversal of fortune.
- Rexypoo

I know you and I continue to have this discussion. I don't think you do an effective job of looking at quality of competition. Jones is continually put up against other teams top lines and the guy plays major minutes.

If we based everything entirely on analytics, we would be saying that Connor McDaviv is a horrible player as well. Check out his advanced stats, they may surprise you.

Size is a luxury, not a necessity. If we have two guys with identical numbers, and one is 6’3” 220 while the other is 5’10” 170, I probably pick the bigger guy. Either way, their impact is the same. Size and strength is an input, not an output. If a big guy has an advantage over a smaller opponent, that will be reflected in the results.

There’s a reason Hedman and Pietrangelo are the only big and pissed off guys (sorry Dougie) guys in the upper echelon of NHL defenceman. The game is getting faster and faster, and skill trumps all.

The bottom line is that no matter what size the player is, their impact is what it is.
Enstrom had a stronger track record of preventing shots and scoring chances in front of our net than any of Morrissey, Byfuglien, Trouba, etc. despite being small. Only Byfuglien ever came close. Why? Because size is only an advantage on its own when you’re right in front of the net at a stand still.
Sbisa might be able to throw someone out of the paint, but Morrissey likely never lets them get there because he’s angled them wide with his skating and lack of dumbassery.
- Rexypoo

You don't have to tell me how good at preventing scoring chances Enstrom was, I saw it all the time, I was a Tobi fan but if you think a D core of 4 or more Tobi Enstrom's would last very long in the playoffs you're kidding yourself.

I know you and I continue to have this discussion. I don't think you do an effective job of looking at quality of competition. Jones is continually put up against other teams top lines and the guy plays major minutes.

If we based everything entirely on analytics, we would be saying that Connor McDaviv is a horrible player as well. Check out his advanced stats, they may surprise you.
- TheUltimateJet

These things I’m referencing account for quality of competition. I don’t doubt that Jones is getting rail roaded minutes wise, but he’s also faring a lot worse in his minutes than a huge majority of his peers, including both Ryan Murray and David Savard.
He used to be very good, and looked to be heading straight for elite territory. Then he began to fade, and hasn’t recovered.

But yeah, McDavid is in the running for worst defensive forward. Luckily, he’s also such an overwhelming offensive force of nature, that he still has a god tier overall impact. He’s the best offensive player in the game, period, and even with his defence... he might be underpaid for what he does

You don't have to tell me how good at preventing scoring chances Enstrom was, I saw it all the time, I was a Tobi fan but if you think a D core of 4 or more Tobi Enstrom's would last very long in the playoffs you're kidding yourself.
- JetFuel

I think you have a good point here.
I also think 4 Tobys, even the hurty prone versions, would fare better than 4 Hamonics of any age.

I’m not arguing against the idea of adding size. I don’t mind that. My only issue is that you seem to want to add players with “big” as attribute number 1.
Suggest a talented big man, and you’ve got me on board.

I see Dano and Enstrom have been brought back into the conversation. Can't wait to read about Postma next. While not likely as good as Enstrom, could Postma be better than Seth Jones ?

I see Dano and Enstrom have been brought back into the conversation. Can't wait to read about Postma next. While not likely as good as Enstrom, could Postma be better than Seth Jones ?
- bennythehat

Don't forget about Petan. I'm sure its the coaches fault in the Swedish B league that Enstrom's numbers have fallen apart. Same goes for the latest coaches who were graced with Dano, Postma, and Petan's unbelievable talent.

I see Dano and Enstrom have been brought back into the conversation. Can't wait to read about Postma next. While not likely as good as Enstrom, could Postma be better than Seth Jones ?
- bennythehat

To be honest, Paul Postma did have better NHL numbers the season before he went overseas than Jones did last year.
Just because you play a lot and used to be good doesn’t mean you should be playing a lot, or that you are still good.

Do you honestly think Doughty is even close to the same player he was at 25? Or that Buff can come back at 40 and be just as good as he was 10 years earlier because decline is an impossible concept?

Don't forget about Petan. I'm sure its the coaches fault in the Swedish B league that Enstrom's numbers have fallen apart. Same goes for the latest coaches who were graced with Dano, Postma, and Petan's unbelievable talent.
- jetsnation

-Enstrom’s numbers haven’t dropped at all since he left, so you’re just making sh*t up at this point.
-Dano had his development ruined by the Jets, and took an unprecedented step back in 18-19.
-Postma has done very well in the KHL.
-Petan has done very well in Toronto, but was screwed over by being sent to a team jam packed with forward talent, and (unlike the Jets) that team seems to want to promote its own home grown talent over newcomers.

But also, who cares. You have nothing of value to add to these conversations, so you keep going back to the well of guys the Jets broke so you can pull the same “Lol what about” card

-Enstrom’s numbers haven’t dropped at all since he left, so you’re just making sh*t up at this point.
-Dano had his development ruined by the Jets, and took an unprecedented step back in 18-19.
-Postma has done very well in the KHL.
-Petan has done very well in Toronto, but was screwed over by being sent to a team jam packed with forward talent, and (unlike the Jets) that team seems to want to promote its own home grown talent over newcomers.

But also, who cares. You have nothing of value to add to these conversations, so you keep going back to the well of guys the Jets broke so you can pull the same “Lol what about” card
- Rexypoo

All very poor excuses. Blame it on everyone but the player.

When you actually have conversations/posts that have any value then I will add.


...and Enstrom in a useless B -league stacks up so unbelievably well with Seth Jones.

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All very poor excuses. Blame it on everyone but the player.

When you actually have conversations/posts that have any value then I will add.


...and Enstrom in a useless B -league stacks up so unbelievably well with Seth Jones.

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- jetsnation

I oftentimes think that Jetsnation and Rexypoo are the same person.

Two guys that fail to recognize that all they have are opinions but literally take everything they say as fact!

All very poor excuses. Blame it on everyone but the player.

When you actually have conversations/posts that have any value then I will add.


...and Enstrom in a useless B -league stacks up so unbelievably well with Seth Jones.

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- jetsnation

When the Jets have such a long track record of failed prospects, and disgruntled players, it’s hard to blame the players.
Draft and Develop! But only until the AHL level, at which point its Block and Hinder.

You’re also the only one here who has in any way, shape, form, or capacity compared Enstrom to Jones. Your track record for creating strawmen remains unmatched

I oftentimes think that Jetsnation and Rexypoo are the same person.

Two guys that fail to recognize that all they have are opinions but literally take everything they say as fact!
- TheUltimateJet

He’s the Joker, and I’m Batman.
Only instead of falling in a vat of acid, he fell in Don Cherry’s suit closet.

When I read all the nonsense, I am reminded of a line from the immortal George Costanza:
"Just remember, it's not a lie....if you believe it"

He’s the Joker, and I’m Batman.
Only instead of falling in a vat of acid, he fell in Don Cherry’s suit closet.
- Rexypoo

This is a fitting post, especially with Halloween around the corner!

When I read all the nonsense, I am reminded of a line from the immortal George Costanza:
"Just remember, it's not a lie....if you believe it"
- bennythehat

I saw that gif post earlier. That was hilarious

I saw that gif post earlier. That was hilarious
- Rexypoo

My computer froze, so I wasn't sure if that gif got posted properly at the time.

My computer froze, so I wasn't sure if that gif got posted properly at the time.
- bennythehat

It loaded like 3 different things, but I got there!

Some still interesting names that have yet to be signed, do we think Chevy might sign another guy or is he done? They are pretty tight for cap space so there is that to contend with, don't think they can use Little's cap space until he is put on LTIR and I'm pretty sure that he can't be placed on LTIR until the season starts, would really like to see another forward added for the middle 6.

Some still interesting names that have yet to be signed, do we think Chevy might sign another guy or is he done? They are pretty tight for cap space so there is that to contend with, don't think they can use Little's cap space until he is put on LTIR and I'm pretty sure that he can't be placed on LTIR until the season starts, would really like to see another forward added for the middle 6.
- JetFuel

Agreed lots of interesting talent available.

I think there will be trades before signings (or signings will be in prep for a trade before an announcement). The pieces the Jets seem to have in play are significant enough that it is impossible to make smart signings without settling trade opportunities first.

Some still interesting names that have yet to be signed, do we think Chevy might sign another guy or is he done? They are pretty tight for cap space so there is that to contend with, don't think they can use Little's cap space until he is put on LTIR and I'm pretty sure that he can't be placed on LTIR until the season starts, would really like to see another forward added for the middle 6.
- JetFuel

Believe they can go 10% over the cap during off season. They then could put Little on LTIR when season starts. At least that's how I read it, but could be wrong.

If the Jets have any notion of contending, my feeling is they still need a top-pairing d-man. Who they might get, or how, is anyone's guess. Lots of interesting possibilities out there.

Believe they can go 10% over the cap during off season. They then could put Little on LTIR when season starts. At least that's how I read it, but could be wrong.

If the Jets have any notion of contending, my feeling is they still need a top-pairing d-man. Who they might get, or how, is anyone's guess. Lots of interesting possibilities out there.
- grahamzky

Weegar would be a fantastic add on the blueline, with Maurice apparently deciding Heinola and Samberg will not be having an opportunity on the left side.