The "logic" is he's in no position to dictate to JB as things stand today. Benning is getting good at letting players walk. No loss, there will be other options. Tree's agent is also an a-hole.
- VanHockeyGuy

Its not dictating when the player has options. Even on his ELC he had an out clause for KHL just like Hogs has for SHL. He's a 26 Euro player he's coming over to play in the NHL otherwise you don't need him take a vet spot in the AHL.

I don't get your logic other then you don't think Canucks should sign him. By which you would call JB an idiot again, for an asset management waste, when he goes to another team for nothing.

I don't follow this line of thinking.

He went back and developed his craft in the KHL, presumably is no longer fat...
He has indicated that he would be interested in returning to the NHL and Vancouver.
We need Dmen that aren't rookies and currently own his rights.

What's the problem?
How else does he 'earn' a return to the NHL?
- dbot

I think what VHG is trying to say here is that if Tryamkin isn't open to the idea of potentially playing in the AHL if he gets beat out by competition in camp then Tryamkin can GTFO.

Good, I think the 2 or 3 of us experts here now, could use the help explaining to some of you dummies, how the cap works.
- Reubenkincade

I don't follow this line of thinking.

He went back and developed his craft in the KHL, presumably is no longer fat...
He has indicated that he would be interested in returning to the NHL and Vancouver.
We need Dmen that aren't rookies and currently own his rights.

What's the problem?
How else does he 'earn' a return to the NHL?
- dbot

His last time here he was a flake, along with some parting shots on the city. I don't think he's in any position to dictate to JB this time around. If he does return it should be on JB's terms. If not trade his rights or let him carry on in the KHL.

5 more pages of posts, somebody must be in shambles.

I think what VHG is trying to say here is that if Tryamkin isn't open to the idea of potentially playing in the AHL if he gets beat out by competition in camp then Tryamkin can GTFO.
- Nucker101

Ty.

Gudbranson and Stecher are uogrades on size and puckmoving ability over those 2.
- Reubenkincade

On Fatty and Benn yes but OJ and Tryamkin are a better set then all four just on potential alone.

Not sure if that's a given.
Different coach and team than before.
If he said he wanted to give it a shot in the NHL and that he's matured over the last several years, i'd give him the benefit of the doubt.

- dbot

Maybe, we can only speculate. But the fact that he didn't even wait to see if he could get along with the new coach(remember he left during the same off-season that WD was fired) shows me that he has a tendency to bolt if things don't go his way.

That's why I respect Goldy, the dude didn't bolt when he was in the AHL or healthy scratched multiple times, and didn't talk poop about the coaching staff in the media, even after being let go. He wanted to be an NHL player and didn't quit until the team gave up on him instead of vice-versa with Tryamkin.

Except any cap hit above 1.075M will still have whatever portion is above that count towards the cap so I'd say it does matter once you have a player making above that amount. If he makes 1.5M, then 425K will count towards the cap

We all know Tryamkin would probably bolt for the KHL if he gets sent down anyway so I guess that's a moot point in this case.
- Nucker101

Sure – but that has to do with his cap hit, not if it's a one- or two-way contract, no?

I think what VHG is trying to say here is that if Tryamkin isn't open to the idea of potentially playing in the AHL if he gets beat out by competition in camp then Tryamkin can GTFO.
- Nucker101

What camp he's coming over during the season or not at all.

Maybe, we can only speculate. But the fact that he didn't even wait to see if he could get along with the new coach(remember he left during the same off-season that WD was fired) shows me that he has a tendency to bolt if things don't go his way.

That's why I respect Goldy, the dude didn't bolt when he was in the AHL or healthy scratched multiple times, and didn't talk poop about the coaching staff in the media, even after being let go. He wanted to be an NHL player and didn't quit until the team gave up on him instead of vice-versa with Tryamkin.
- Nucker101

Well said, good comparison. Purple ribbon for you.

What camp he's coming over during the season or not at all.
- NuckUp

His last time here he was a flake, along with some parting shots on the city. I don't think he's in any position to dictate to JB this time around. If he does return it should be on JB's terms. If not trade his rights or let him carry on in the KHL.
- VanHockeyGuy

Or, you know, they could work out something mutually beneficial to both parties? Doesn't have to be only one way or the other.

The position he's able to dictate to JB is that JB has said he wants to bring him back over – there's a desire for him to be here.

JB knows Tree wants to come to the NHL again, but has his roster/team/cap to look after, so he'll make him fit where he can. If Tree is demanding too much, he can trade him.

What camp he's coming over during the season or not at all.
- NuckUp

Alright, then replace camp with "season", everything else in my post still stands.

Sure – but that has to do with his cap hit, not if it's a one- or two-way contract, no?
- NewYorkNuck

I could be wrong here, but I believe the cap hit doesn't count if he's on a 2-way deal, even if his NHL salary is above 1.075M.

Honestly not sure though

Maybe, we can only speculate. But the fact that he didn't even wait to see if he could get along with the new coach(remember he left during the same off-season that WD was fired) shows me that he has a tendency to bolt if things don't go his way.

That's why I respect Goldy, the dude didn't bolt when he was in the AHL or healthy scratched multiple times, and didn't talk poop about the coaching staff in the media, even after being let go. He wanted to be an NHL player and didn't quit until the team gave up on him instead of vice-versa with Tryamkin.
- Nucker101

Reminds me of the Puljarvi thing with Edmonton. He bolted, said he'd never play for Edmonton again, but he's heading back. People change, they hopefully mature. At the end of the day the NHL is a business, so if JB can add a player that will help the team win that has seemed like he's matured, I'm thinking he'll try to make something work.

Or, you know, they could work out something mutually beneficial to both parties? Doesn't have to be only one way or the other.

The position he's able to dictate to JB is that JB has said he wants to bring him back over – there's a desire for him to be here.

JB knows Tree wants to come to the NHL again, but has his roster/team/cap to look after, so he'll make him fit where he can. If Tree is demanding too much, he can trade him.
- NewYorkNuck

Yup JB's terms or Diamond can find a trade partner in a city with a large Russian community.

On Fatty and Benn yes but OJ and Tryamkin are a better set then all four just on potential alone.
- NuckUp

This team had the potential with the great Frankie Corrado and has the next super duper star in Hoglander, if you want to talk strictly potential.

Reminds me of the Puljarvi thing with Edmonton. He bolted, said he'd never play for Edmonton again, but he's heading back. People change, they hopefully mature. At the end of the day the NHL is a business, so if JB can add a player that will help the team win that has seemed like he's matured, I'm thinking he'll try to make something work.
- NewYorkNuck

I think he'd bolt back or demand a trade as well if he gets sent down or healthy scratched multiple times. Who knows, it's also possible that Holland promised to trade him if he doesn't get along with Tippett.

Reminds me of the Puljarvi thing with Edmonton. He bolted, said he'd never play for Edmonton again, but he's heading back. People change, they hopefully mature. At the end of the day the NHL is a business, so if JB can add a player that will help the team win that has seemed like he's matured, I'm thinking he'll try to make something work.
- NewYorkNuck

Exactly.

I think he'd bolt back or demand a trade as well if he gets sent down or healthy scratched multiple times. Who knows, it's also possible that Holland promised to trade him if he doesn't get along with Tippett.
- Nucker101

This is my problem with him. He thinks he's bigger than the team.

Maybe, we can only speculate. But the fact that he didn't even wait to see if he could get along with the new coach(remember he left during the same off-season that WD was fired) shows me that he has a tendency to bolt if things don't go his way.

That's why I respect Goldy, the dude didn't bolt when he was in the AHL or healthy scratched multiple times, and didn't talk poop about the coaching staff in the media, even after being let go. He wanted to be an NHL player and didn't quit until the team gave up on him instead of vice-versa with Tryamkin.
- Nucker101

You are leaving the facts reported out. He said family reasons to JB as he reported to media. His newlywed wife wanted to be near family to get pregnant.

Yes there were development concerns for him as the same set of D mainly Guddy and Benn were still in favor at the time.

His situation was not black and white. You can respect and like other players but each has different circumstances. Bottom line now, he's willing to come and Canucks just need to find cap space.

Does he make Canucks better? Well that's certainly worth the low term cost signing to find out.

Or, you know, they could work out something mutually beneficial to both parties? Doesn't have to be only one way or the other.

The position he's able to dictate to JB is that JB has said he wants to bring him back over – there's a desire for him to be here.

JB knows Tree wants to come to the NHL again, but has his roster/team/cap to look after, so he'll make him fit where he can. If Tree is demanding too much, he can trade him.
- NewYorkNuck

Is this sort of like the MTA

I could be wrong here, but I believe the cap hit doesn't count if he's on a 2-way deal, even if his NHL salary is above 1.075M.

Honestly not sure though
- Nucker101

I'm trying to find out, but it's very confusing. Not sure about the 2-way cap hit being buried if it's over 1.075, but also not sure Tree can even sign a 2 way deal? He's already played in the NHL, so not sure he can sign an entry level deal?

You are leaving the facts reported out. He said family reasons to JB as he reported to media. His newlywed wife wanted to be near family to get pregnant.

Yes there were development concerns for him as the same set of D mainly Guddy and Benn were still in favor at the time.

His situation was not black and white. You can respect and like other players but each has different circumstances. Bottom line now, he's willing to come and Canucks just need to find cap space.

Does he make Canucks better? Well that's certainly worth the low term cost signing to find out.
- NuckUp

That's some messed up kink right there