I wouldnt mind it but I dont like the Names in White. Just makes it look weird.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

For me its that funereal black that is stifling the upper torso.

I would like them to deviate from the symbol just once.
- DrMidnite

I'm fine with the logo, it's still a classic mark.

But the sweaters have always had that weird pattern on the sleeves... no idea why they've stuck with that. Think they only broke that tradition for the outdoor game one-offs.

I'd love to see them do something like the Stars did. A more modern shade of orange and a less busy, timeless jersey pattern.

Bill, you misspelled Clinton.
- PT21

They still only have one since Reagan left office.

Bill you work for the Flyers and try to spin everything into a positive light; I get as they pay your bills and probably pay you very well. So funny seeing you get all defensive.

All that writing you just did doesn't change the fact they haven't won poop since 1975 does it? What those other teams do is irrelevant. 3rd best record since 1975 lol, is that as relevant as winning the "State Championship" as well? Do you tell your buddies hey they have the 3rd best record since 1975?

The Pens own the flyers Bill so except it. 5-2. Repeat it 5-2
- login

I don't think you know what except means.

They still only have one since Reagan left office.
- atibus

Normally his phrasing would suggest the last cup was won during Reagan's time. Otherwise why not say Bush 41?

Fun to read really. The cups will come in the next few years, then then Penguins trolls will have no material.
- Hextall271

Nah.

But again educational for me to read again and be reminded of some fundamental issues.

I would love a further breakdown of this list of futility by more variables. Such as controlling for salary cap expenditure (did every team have as generous a patron(s) as we did?), % of seats occupied during games (I suspect this will be inversely correlated), % of ticket revenue coming from corporate suites (I suspect this will be inversely correlated).

There is another thing I don't have the time to do. What is the average time between cups post NHL existence? Bills analysis focuses on the gap years. But in between the gaps years are clusters/dynasties. For example, our average cup drought is 26 odd years (2 cups in 52 years). For Pens (same inception date) its ~10 years.

How far away are we from league average? Of course, here we need to control for how many years the team has been in the league.

You're right. Every franchise in the NHL sucks because they've had long stretch of Cup futility at some point in their history. Here are some marketing slogan ideas.

Philadelphia Flyers: The NHL's 3rd fluffiest record since our last Cup 45 years ago!

Toronto Maple Leafs: 53 years of fluff and counting! (Or "Saving our fans the heartbreak of losing in the Cup Finals for 53 years")

New York Rangers: We're No 1 (1-for-80) since the FDR administration.

St. Louis Blues: We brought back the fluff this year (sorry for breaking that 52-year fluff streak).


Chicago Blackhawks: Working our next half century of fluff after that mini-dynasty.

Pittsburgh Penguins: Two bankruptcies, two tanking eras, two league-driven bailouts, one threat to move to Kansas City and one taxpayer-funded arena later, we're goin' back to our roots! Our future is fluffier than Jags' hair in the 90s! (Who needs first-round picks, anyway?)

Carolina Hurricanes: We're 1-for-41; look out Rangers!

Buffalo Sabres: Call us Fluffalo (0-for-50).

Washington Capitals: In the Beltway, 1-for-47 is quite OK.

Vancouver Canucks: 0-for-50 BUT we reached Game 7 -- twice the fluff!

San Jose Sharks: Celebrating 29 fluffy years of existence.

Montreal Canadiens: 1 Cup since the Reagan administration; C'est la guerre!

New York Islanders: Celebrating 37 years since the end of our dynasty and 26 years since the retirement of the last active NHL players from our dynasty.. but most of all celebrating 14 years since the firing of Mike Milbury (an occasion for celebration coast-to-coast).

Anaheim Ducks: We're a mighty 1-for-27, celebrating 13 years of unbroken fliuff.

Dallas Stars: 1-for-53, from Minny to Big D! (The fluff is bigger in Texas, though)
.
Boston Bruins: 2nd fluffiest record in the NHL since Philly's last Cup. We're 1-for-47 since the Nixon Administration.

Colorado Avalanche: 0-for-16 in Quebec, 2-for-15 in Denver (but up to 19 straight years of fluff... but only four years since our last Cup team player retired).

Columbus Blue Jackets: Misfiring the Cannon for 20 years! (Or "We've made it past the first round once!")

New Jersey Devils: Celebrating 17 years since our last parking lot Cup parade (Draft Lottery Mania ran wild in 7 of the last 8 years... we picked first twice!).

Edmonton Oilers: The Cup well ran dry 30 years ago (Subhead: We sure got a lot of first overall picks, and some even panned out!)

Arizona Coyotes: O-for-the-Peg, 0-for-the-Desert (Bring back the Avco Cup!)

Calgary Flames: Saddle up for 0-for-31 (1-for-48 overall).

LA Kings: 45 regal years of royal fluff; now on a 6-year fluff streak (4 times missing the playoffs, twice out in the first round).

Tampa Bay Lightning: Lightning CAN strike twice (twice every 27 years of team history; 16 years in between first and 2nd).

Detroit Red Wings: 42 years of fluff between Gordie and Stevie Y; now on a 12-year fluff streak (Filppula is the final still-active NHLer, although Datsyuk is still active in the KHL).

Florida Panthers: The sun has yet to set on our 0-for-27 quest for the Cup.

Minnesota Wild: 20 wild years of fluff, zero years of Cups.

Nashville Predators: 22 years, 1 general manager, 0 Cups.

Ottawa Senators: Our nakesake ancestors won the Cup 11 times! (But our incarnation is 0-for-27 and counting)

Winnipeg Jets: Let's pretend Atlanta (0-for-11) never happened and we're just 0-for-9.

Vegas Golden Knights: We'll still be Expansion Draft exempt after four years of existence. (We're still a young franchise. But's it's just too bad our Finals appearance our inaugural season was nothing but fluff).

Seattle Kraken: We're not fluffy yet!
- bmeltzer

I was waiting for this from you, Bill. OUTSTANDING fact smackdown that is well deserved!!!

Bill you work for the Flyers and try to spin everything into a positive light; I get as they pay your bills and probably pay you very well. So funny seeing you get all defensive.

All that writing you just did doesn't change the fact they haven't won poop since 1975 does it? What those other teams do is irrelevant. 3rd best record since 1975 lol, is that as relevant as winning the "State Championship" as well? Do you tell your buddies hey they have the 3rd best record since 1975?

The Pens own the flyers Bill so except it. 5-2. Repeat it 5-2
- login

You should send him a PM and insinuate a vague threat by offering to meet for lunch

I wouldnt mind it but I dont like the Names in White. Just makes it look weird.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Ties in with the weird looking cuffs.

Fluffalo

You should send him a PM and insinuate a vague threat by offering to meet for lunch
- KINGKENZO

And say "you'll live to regret it"

or "you WONT live to regret it."

Not sure which is more menacing.

Fluffalo
- hereticpride

lol! Love that one

I don't think you know what except means.
- atibus

Yeah man I really pay much attention to it. I appreciate you pointing that out for me as I am a better person for it.

You should send him a PM and insinuate a vague threat by offering to meet for lunch
- KINGKENZO

Why would i do that?

You're right. Every franchise in the NHL sucks because they've had long stretch of Cup futility at some point in their history. Here are some marketing slogan ideas.

Philadelphia Flyers: The NHL's 3rd fluffiest record since our last Cup 45 years ago!

Toronto Maple Leafs: 53 years of fluff and counting! (Or "Saving our fans the heartbreak of losing in the Cup Finals for 53 years")

New York Rangers: We're No 1 (1-for-80) since the FDR administration.

St. Louis Blues: We brought back the fluff this year (sorry for breaking that 52-year fluff streak).

Chicago Blackhawks: Working our next half century of fluff after that mini-dynasty.

Pittsburgh Penguins: Two bankruptcies, two tanking eras, two league-driven bailouts, one threat to move to Kansas City and one taxpayer-funded arena later, we're goin' back to our roots! Our future is fluffier than Jags' hair in the 90s! (Who needs first-round picks, anyway?)

Carolina Hurricanes: We're 1-for-41; look out Rangers!

Buffalo Sabres: Call us Fluffalo (0-for-50).

Washington Capitals: In the Beltway, 1-for-47 is quite OK.

Vancouver Canucks: 0-for-50 BUT we reached Game 7 -- twice the fluff!

San Jose Sharks: Celebrating 29 fluffy years of existence.

Montreal Canadiens: 1 Cup since the Reagan administration; C'est la guerre!

New York Islanders: Celebrating 37 years since the end of our dynasty and 26 years since the retirement of the last active NHL players from our dynasty.. but most of all celebrating 14 years since the firing of Mike Milbury (an occasion for celebration coast-to-coast).

Anaheim Ducks: We're a mighty 1-for-27, celebrating 13 years of unbroken fliuff.

Dallas Stars: 1-for-53, from Minny to Big D! (The fluff is bigger in Texas, though)
.
Boston Bruins: 2nd fluffiest record in the NHL since Philly's last Cup. We're 1-for-47 since the Nixon Administration.

Colorado Avalanche: 0-for-16 in Quebec, 2-for-15 in Denver (but up to 19 straight years of fluff... but only four years since our last Cup team player retired).

Columbus Blue Jackets: Misfiring the Cannon for 20 years! (Or "We've made it past the first round once!")

New Jersey Devils: Celebrating 17 years since our last parking lot Cup parade (Draft Lottery Mania ran wild in 7 of the last 8 years... we picked first twice!).

Edmonton Oilers: The Cup well ran dry 30 years ago (Subhead: We sure got a lot of first overall picks, and some even panned out!)

Arizona Coyotes: O-for-the-Peg, 0-for-the-Desert (Bring back the Avco Cup!)

Calgary Flames: Saddle up for 0-for-31 (1-for-48 overall).

LA Kings: 45 regal years of royal fluff; now on a 6-year fluff streak (4 times missing the playoffs, twice out in the first round).

Tampa Bay Lightning: Lightning CAN strike twice (twice every 27 years of team history; 16 years in between first and 2nd).

Detroit Red Wings: 42 years of fluff between Gordie and Stevie Y; now on a 12-year fluff streak (Filppula is the final still-active NHLer, although Datsyuk is still active in the KHL).

Florida Panthers: The sun has yet to set on our 0-for-27 quest for the Cup.

Minnesota Wild: 20 wild years of fluff, zero years of Cups.

Nashville Predators: 22 years, 1 general manager, 0 Cups.

Ottawa Senators: Our nakesake ancestors won the Cup 11 times! (But our incarnation is 0-for-27 and counting)

Winnipeg Jets: Let's pretend Atlanta (0-for-11) never happened and we're just 0-for-9.

Vegas Golden Knights: We'll still be Expansion Draft exempt after four years of existence. (We're still a young franchise. But's it's just too bad our Finals appearance our inaugural season was nothing but fluff).

Seattle Kraken: We're not fluffy yet!
- bmeltzer

So there.

Bill you work for the Flyers and try to spin everything into a positive light; I get as they pay your bills and probably pay you very well. So funny seeing you get all defensive.

All that writing you just did doesn't change the fact they haven't won poop since 1975 does it? What those other teams do is irrelevant. 3rd best record since 1975 lol, is that as relevant as winning the "State Championship" as well? Do you tell your buddies hey they have the 3rd best record since 1975?

The Pens own the flyers Bill so except it. 5-2. Repeat it 5-2
- login

Dude, just take the L and move on. You were TKO'd. It happens. Get over it.

I'm fine with the logo, it's still a classic mark.

But the sweaters have always had that weird pattern on the sleeves... no idea why they've stuck with that.
- Tomahawk

The sleeve pattern was meant to symbolize wings, and to be less boring than the "traditional" wrap-around stripes (even if there were only 6 teams before their formation).

I still feel like Liane to Philly is going happen. You don’t cake your pants on the PP through the entire playoffs and not change anything up.

Dude, just take the L and move on. You were TKO'd. It happens. Get over it.
- Letterkenney

Yeah He really told me didnt he; what a history lesson. Flyers in good company.

Yeah He really told me didnt he; what a history lesson. Flyers in good company.
- login

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You're right. Every franchise in the NHL sucks because they've had long stretch of Cup futility at some point in their history. Here are some marketing slogan ideas.

Philadelphia Flyers: The NHL's 3rd fluffiest record since our last Cup 45 years ago!

Toronto Maple Leafs: 53 years of fluff and counting! (Or "Saving our fans the heartbreak of losing in the Cup Finals for 53 years")

New York Rangers: We're No 1 (1-for-80) since the FDR administration.

St. Louis Blues: We brought back the fluff this year (sorry for breaking that 52-year fluff streak).

Chicago Blackhawks: Working our next half century of fluff after that mini-dynasty.

Pittsburgh Penguins: Two bankruptcies, two tanking eras, two league-driven bailouts, one threat to move to Kansas City and one taxpayer-funded arena later, we're goin' back to our roots! Our future is fluffier than Jags' hair in the 90s! (Who needs first-round picks, anyway?)

Carolina Hurricanes: We're 1-for-41; look out Rangers!

Buffalo Sabres: Call us Fluffalo (0-for-50).

Washington Capitals: In the Beltway, 1-for-47 is quite OK.

Vancouver Canucks: 0-for-50 BUT we reached Game 7 -- twice the fluff!

San Jose Sharks: Celebrating 29 fluffy years of existence.

Montreal Canadiens: 1 Cup since the Reagan administration; C'est la guerre!

New York Islanders: Celebrating 37 years since the end of our dynasty and 26 years since the retirement of the last active NHL players from our dynasty.. but most of all celebrating 14 years since the firing of Mike Milbury (an occasion for celebration coast-to-coast).

Anaheim Ducks: We're a mighty 1-for-27, celebrating 13 years of unbroken fliuff.

Dallas Stars: 1-for-53, from Minny to Big D! (The fluff is bigger in Texas, though)
.
Boston Bruins: 2nd fluffiest record in the NHL since Philly's last Cup. We're 1-for-47 since the Nixon Administration.

Colorado Avalanche: 0-for-16 in Quebec, 2-for-15 in Denver (but up to 19 straight years of fluff... but only four years since our last Cup team player retired).

Columbus Blue Jackets: Misfiring the Cannon for 20 years! (Or "We've made it past the first round once!")

New Jersey Devils: Celebrating 17 years since our last parking lot Cup parade (Draft Lottery Mania ran wild in 7 of the last 8 years... we picked first twice!).

Edmonton Oilers: The Cup well ran dry 30 years ago (Subhead: We sure got a lot of first overall picks, and some even panned out!)

Arizona Coyotes: O-for-the-Peg, 0-for-the-Desert (Bring back the Avco Cup!)

Calgary Flames: Saddle up for 0-for-31 (1-for-48 overall).

LA Kings: 45 regal years of royal fluff; now on a 6-year fluff streak (4 times missing the playoffs, twice out in the first round).

Tampa Bay Lightning: Lightning CAN strike twice (twice every 27 years of team history; 16 years in between first and 2nd).

Detroit Red Wings: 42 years of fluff between Gordie and Stevie Y; now on a 12-year fluff streak (Filppula is the final still-active NHLer, although Datsyuk is still active in the KHL).

Florida Panthers: The sun has yet to set on our 0-for-27 quest for the Cup.

Minnesota Wild: 20 wild years of fluff, zero years of Cups.

Nashville Predators: 22 years, 1 general manager, 0 Cups.

Ottawa Senators: Our nakesake ancestors won the Cup 11 times! (But our incarnation is 0-for-27 and counting)

Winnipeg Jets: Let's pretend Atlanta (0-for-11) never happened and we're just 0-for-9.

Vegas Golden Knights: We'll still be Expansion Draft exempt after four years of existence. (We're still a young franchise. But's it's just too bad our Finals appearance our inaugural season was nothing but fluff).

Seattle Kraken: We're not fluffy yet!
- bmeltzer

Holy $&-)-

This is amazing.

The sleeve pattern was meant to symbolize wings, and to be less boring than the "traditional" wrap-around stripes (even if there were only 6 teams before their formation).
- Bendecko

Looks more like sleeve stirrups to me.

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- hereticpride

LMAO

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- hereticpride

Perfect