In my opinion Kevin Cheveldayoff is the toughest GM in the NHL to trade with. If you do make a trade with him don’t shake his hand as you will be missing a few fingers. Laine is great but Dorian would get fleeced in a trade. For sure the Senators would lose Stutzle or Sanderson for a player who would move on once his current contract is over.

The Sens have the number 1 prospect pool in the NHL right now, if they want a top end player then sign a UFA, don’t give away future superstars in a lopsided trade.
- Barrykerr1

I hear what you're saying. I agree that the deal won't go down with Ottawa.

That said, I believe this package, not including Stutzle or Sanderson, would be fair:

To Winnipeg
F Colin White
F Connor Brown
D Lassi Thomson
2021 1st (top 10 protected)

I hear what you're saying. I agree that the deal won't go down with Ottawa.

That said, I believe this package, not including Stutzle or Sanderson, would be fair:

To Winnipeg
F Colin White
F Connor Brown
D Lassi Thomson
2021 1st (top 10 protected)
- AlfieisKing

Sign the deal 📝📝📝 if I was Dorion id do it pronto lol

Sign the deal 📝📝📝 if I was Dorion id do it pronto lol
- SENS-sational

Lol he’s dreaming if he thinks he’s getting a 22yr old proven 30-40goal player for that list 😂🤦‍♂️
Your list is gonna start with Tkachuk if ya want Laine and I love Tkachuk so no thanks 😂

Lol he’s dreaming if he thinks he’s getting a 22yr old proven 30-40goal player for that list 😂🤦‍♂️
Your list is gonna start with Tkachuk if ya want Laine and I love Tkachuk so no thanks 😂
- Rpm1971

Lol True. But dorion has his ways to get great players without giving up his puppies, didn't think we get matt murray for a 2nd rounder and Gruden. 😳😳

Lol he’s dreaming if he thinks he’s getting a 22yr old proven 30-40goal player for that list 😂🤦‍♂️
Your list is gonna start with Tkachuk if ya want Laine and I love Tkachuk so no thanks 😂
- Rpm1971

Why are you talking about Laine like he's Crosby......Or McDavid, Toews, Selanne, St. Louis, P.Kane....there's so many names out there. When you say proven, I don't think Laine is THAT proven that he deserves a much better return than what I purposed.

Ville Heinola - Lassi Thomson would be an amazing Finnish pairing and Colin White could be a solid top 6 forward with jam. That said, you could add a prospect like Ridly Grieg or someone else, but trading for Brady Tkachuk is just pointless - Winnpeg doesn't need that position at all with Connor and Ehlers

Why are you talking about Laine like he's Crosby......Or McDavid, Toews, Selanne, St. Louis, P.Kane....there's so many names out there. When you say proven, I don't think Laine is THAT proven that he deserves a much better return than what I purposed.

Ville Heinola - Lassi Thomson would be an amazing Finnish pairing and Colin White could be a solid top 6 forward with jam. That said, you could add a prospect like Ridly Grieg or someone else, but trading for Brady Tkachuk is just pointless - Winnpeg doesn't need that position at all with Connor and Ehlers
- AlfieisKing

I am a huge fan about talking about a Laine trade.

But, I am not that enthusiastic about doing a deal when we actually start talking about what the Sens would have to offer up.

No team is going to finalize a deal with Laine unless there is a general framework for agreement on a new contract. I tend to agree with those who say "no deal" if Laine wants more than the Sens want to offer Brady.

I am a huge fan about talking about a Laine trade.

But, I am not that enthusiastic about doing a deal when we actually start talking about what the Sens would have to offer up.

No team is going to finalize a deal with Laine unless there is a general framework for agreement on a new contract. I tend to agree with those who say "no deal" if Laine wants more than the Sens want to offer Brady.
- spatso

Laine has had seasons where his goal total was higher than Tkachuk's career high in points.....he'll definitely want more, and deserves it. my fear of acquiring Laine is that it means Tkachuk would likely wait to sign his deal until he saw what Laine got, and then likely want more than he would have had Laine not been there.

Nothing against Laine as a player, but I think trading for him would de-rail Ottawa's rebuild in multiple ways.....he's not worth it.

Why are you talking about Laine like he's Crosby......Or McDavid, Toews, Selanne, St. Louis, P.Kane....there's so many names out there. When you say proven, I don't think Laine is THAT proven that he deserves a much better return than what I purposed.

Ville Heinola - Lassi Thomson would be an amazing Finnish pairing and Colin White could be a solid top 6 forward with jam. That said, you could add a prospect like Ridly Grieg or someone else, but trading for Brady Tkachuk is just pointless - Winnpeg doesn't need that position at all with Connor and Ehlers
- AlfieisKing

He has 4yrs 30 goals scored and is only 22 how proven do you need 🤦‍♂️
Lassie we have no idea what he is
White is garbage for his contract 🤦‍♂️
Brown is decent but nowhere in Laines field
Come on this offer is nowhere close to getting Laine lol
And no he’s not no McDavid but he’s not no slouch in the game either

Nothing against Laine as a player, but I think trading for him would de-rail Ottawa's rebuild in multiple ways.....he's not worth it.
- sensarmy_11

People need to stop thinking like a video game. The Senators rebuild hasn't just been about bringing in quality young talent, it's been about changing the team's character and identity, and restructuring the salary cap to create a legitimate competitive window. Laine is the virtual anti-thesis of several of those things, including being highly inconsistent, one-dimensional, and a clear problem when it comes to contracts. He was supposed to be a franchise building block for the Jets, started his career with 80G in his first 2 seasons, yet now is being offered up at age 22? Turn the tables on that for a minute, and consider how far a player like Stutzle would have fall in 4 years, such that the team would be openly saying it's best to part ways. That should be a major warning sign for any team, let alone a team like Ottawa with all kinds of options on the table.

People need to stop thinking like a video game. The Senators rebuild hasn't just been about bringing in quality young talent, it's been about changing the team's character and identity, and restructuring the salary cap to create a legitimate competitive window. Laine is the virtual anti-thesis of several of those things, including being highly inconsistent, one-dimensional, and a clear problem when it comes to contracts. He was supposed to be a franchise building block for the Jets, started his career with 80G in his first 2 seasons, yet now is being offered up at age 22? Turn the tables on that for a minute, and consider how far a player like Stutzle would have fall in 4 years, such that the team would be openly saying it's best to part ways. That should be a major warning sign for any team, let alone a team like Ottawa with all kinds of options on the table.
- khawk

These are all valid warning signs!

But, Winnipeg once traded a Finnish flash who went on to a Hall of Fame career.

Only way any team trades for Laine is if he is signed. I can't see him singing for less than 8 million per year on an extension. Can anyone here see Eugene doing that?

This is why Laine wnt get traded until deadline... Jets won't be able to get what he is worth m, no one has the space for his contract, no one wants to sign anyone long term for big bucks until they know the financial outlook for the league.

I remember when no one wanted to trade Brown or Duclair at the deadline.

Why wouldn't players want reasonable value based on some of the contracts in the league and you have the all-mighty Colin White making nearly 5 mill a year do essentially nothing of value? Although, Dadonov signed a reasonable deal, so maybe this theory doesn't have a lot of merit.

Either way, Brown and Duclair should have been moved at the deadline if there was no intention of locking them as part of this teams new core, not that they should even do that anyways.

Terrible asset management with two pieces that really could have gotten you a nice package(s).

I'd almost rather have Duclair than Brown. There are hundreds of hockey players like Brown. Hard nosed, works hard, gets dirty goals. Duclair on the other hand has way more natural skill that you can't teach. While the consistency isn't there yet, hard to ignore his speed and shot when he is on his A game.

Certainly strange times with these RFA's.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

I couldn't agree with this more!

These are all valid warning signs!
But, Winnipeg once traded a Finnish flash who went on to a Hall of Fame career.
- spatso

1. Laine is not Selanne.
2. That franchise was also in the process of imploding and moved to Phoenix, whereas Cheveldayoff is one of the smarter GM in the league, and the Jets have been nothing but successful and well-managed since their return.

So, I'm back to a hard pass on Laine.

1. Laine is not Selanne.
2. That franchise was also in the process of imploding and moved to Phoenix, whereas Cheveldayoff is one of the smarter GM in the league, and the Jets have been nothing but successful and well-managed since their return.

So, I'm back to a hard pass on Laine.
- khawk

They are not going to play until January. It is hard to muster up serious hockey talk. Laine speculation is abut as good as we can do on a rainy Wednesday afternoon.

I would be reluctant to do any deal for Laine. But, I am okay to talk about it.

They are not going to play until January. It is hard to muster up serious hockey talk. Laine speculation is abut as good as we can do on a rainy Wednesday afternoon.

I would be reluctant to do any deal for Laine. But, I am okay to talk about it.
- spatso

So, will the season be shortened this year? How will they eventually get things back ont rack for the season starting in september/oct

My guess is a lot more back-to-back games due to travelling within bubbles. I wouldn't even be surprised if there's 3 games in 3 days for a couple teams, especially if a game gets cancelled due to covid. Lots of "squad 2" rosters will play, or people minutes will be pooped on.

I would hate to see Ovechkin not break Gretzky's record because of shortened seasons.

They are not going to play until January. It is hard to muster up serious hockey talk. Laine speculation is abut as good as we can do on a rainy Wednesday afternoon.
I would be reluctant to do any deal for Laine. But, I am okay to talk about it.
- spatso

To be honest, I find the idea of someone like Toews being potentially available more interesting than Laine. A first-ballot future HHOF veteran C with that kind of pedigree and demonstrated leadership on a 3yr-term would be a very interesting add to the mix of young talent they've accumulated. It would also very clearly stabilize what is the most chaotic position on the team right now - despite the potential in Stutzle, Norris, Brown, and White.

How would Toews fit in with the plan as it stands currently? His contract(3 years left) is economical and the Sens can fit his cap. Chicago will expect something respectable in return because he is a legacy player.
The winning pedigree he brings would help cultivate the proper mindset needed to fulfill Melnyk’s vision( unparalleled success).

He’s still got gas in the tank imo.

My guess is a lot more back-to-back games due to travelling within bubbles. I wouldn't even be surprised if there's 3 games in 3 days for a couple teams, especially if a game gets cancelled due to covid. Lots of "squad 2" rosters will play, or people minutes will be pooped on.

I would hate to see Ovechkin not break Gretzky's record because of shortened seasons.
- PogBoi

Ovie's had some real bad luck there. One full season lock out and two partial shutdowns.
That should equal at least 60 goals he's missing out on.

How would Toews fit in with the plan as it stands currently? His contract(3 years left) is economical and the Sens can fit his cap. Chicago will expect something respectable in return because he is a legacy player.
The winning pedigree he brings would help cultivate the proper mindset needed to fulfill Melnyk’s vision( unparalleled success).

He’s still got gas in the tank imo.
- Cup 06

Well, right now there doesn't seem to be a plan at all for the #1C position. As such, I would see Toews stepping into the #1C role for the coming year, and probably the 2nd and 3rd year as well. If someone like Brown, Norris, or Stutzle really starts pressing for #1C minutes, then maybe you consider bumping him down to #2C. But quite frankly it's not even clear that any of those players will be effective #2C, let alone a productive #1C on a team with legitimate playoff aspirations. If you look at Spezza and Zibanejad as the most recent players to really grow into a true #1C role, it took Spezza 4 years post-draft to reach that level of play, and more like 7 years for Zibanejad. So having Toews for 3 years hardly seems like a significant impediment, even for high-end C prospects.

An interesting piece here on Colin White, and the potential for a bounce-back season ahead...
https://www.silversevense...st-me-he-is-actually-good

The injury factor is definitely not something to overlook, as once Pageau started taking up the #1C minutes, it pushed everyone down the lineup. The fact that White put up 8Pts/9GP after the Pageau trade is evidence of what he might have been capable of in a different situation. He's also seemingly developed some chemistry with Tkachuk, so barring a major C addition you could very well see Tkachuk-White-Dadonov as the starting #1 line next year.

The Toews idea seems weird to me. Not familiar with his contract but all indications is that the Hawks core was surprised by the move to rebuild. Assuming Toews has a trade clause of some kind in his contract, I am doubtful he would be eager to move to another rebuild that is in the beginning stages. Add to the fact, the cost to get him would likely be astronomical. Also add in the fact, that he may take ice away from our crowded centre position. However, he would slot nicely into the 1C position, which I can't say for any of our prospects right now.

Colin White - I was a fan when we drafted him but I have soured hard on him watching his development. Blame injuries and depth chart issues all you want but he has never impressed me individually. The success he has had was based on the line mates that he had. He doesn't make players around him better. To me, that is important to note, especially for a centre. It's a lot like Kyle Turris. Ok player playing with solid line mates, but you move him down the depth chart, he doesn't produce or make line mates better. And just like the Turris contract that was recently bought out, the White contract is looking ugly. Won't be an issue for a few years, but if the waiting and hoping strategy with White is still alive come 3 years down the road, when you've hopefully found a 1 and 2 centre, it will become an issue. I will happily eat these words if he can bounce back nicely, but right now, I just don't see it.

I am a huge fan about talking about a Laine trade.

But, I am not that enthusiastic about doing a deal when we actually start talking about what the Sens would have to offer up.

No team is going to finalize a deal with Laine unless there is a general framework for agreement on a new contract. I tend to agree with those who say "no deal" if Laine wants more than the Sens want to offer Brady.
- spatso

very good points, hard not to agree

The Toews idea seems weird to me. Not familiar with his contract but all indications is that the Hawks core was surprised by the move to rebuild. Assuming Toews has a trade clause of some kind in his contract, I am doubtful he would be eager to move to another rebuild that is in the beginning stages. Add to the fact, the cost to get him would likely be astronomical. Also add in the fact, that he may take ice away from our crowded centre position. However, he would slot nicely into the 1C position, which I can't say for any of our prospects right now.

Colin White - I was a fan when we drafted him but I have soured hard on him watching his development. Blame injuries and depth chart issues all you want but he has never impressed me individually. The success he has had was based on the line mates that he had. He doesn't make players around him better. To me, that is important to note, especially for a centre. It's a lot like Kyle Turris. Ok player playing with solid line mates, but you move him down the depth chart, he doesn't produce or make line mates better. And just like the Turris contract that was recently bought out, the White contract is looking ugly. Won't be an issue for a few years, but if the waiting and hoping strategy with White is still alive come 3 years down the road, when you've hopefully found a 1 and 2 centre, it will become an issue. I will happily eat these words if he can bounce back nicely, but right now, I just don't see it.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

I will go on record to say Colin White may be the most improved on the Sens at the end of this upcoming year. He is NOT a #1 center but by gaining weight and playing with confidence with the puck, he could turn into a solid #2/3 center; much like Mike Fisher or Ryan Kesler (before his career years). That said, I thought Curtis Lazar was going to have a similar impact, but he was handled horribly - I think management has learned since then - also this past year could be a wash

I can see Connor Brown getting 1 year 3.4-3.7m

Don't see him getting 3 year deal, but could be possible 3.4-3.5