Cap space is more limited next year.

Instead of saving 400K this year he chose to save cap next year.

He wants to keep Hyman.

Makes sense.

You are very unrealistic if you think Mikheyev should of got less. But you always are so.
- Santo_44

I think he probably would have gotten less in Arb. I would have liked it a bit lower, but honestly, its not bad. The second year could end up being a steal if he plays like he can. I think he was coming back from injury, and didnt perform, but hell be ready for the start of training camp.

I think we need their speed

We got slow very quickly
- mr.sir

nothing is permanent, for now..to make the cap work.
See how things are working with the new additions

I think he probably would have gotten less in Arb. I would have liked it a bit lower, but honestly, its not bad. The second year could end up being a steal if he plays like he can. I think he was coming back from injury, and didnt perform, but hell be ready for the start of training camp.
- Archaic

For 2 years?

1 year was going to hit around 1-1.5M.

2 is going to get bumped up more than just a couple hindered K.

I think this is very fair and if you don’t like it it’s just another Dubas hater trying to find ways to pick at him.

1.65 for 2 years for a middle six forward is pretty damn good. I really don’t know how you could ask for more.

Leaf fans want Dubas to get everyone for 800K.

Send them down where exactly? Pretty hard to see how AHL does a season without fans and having them nit play would be horrible. Sandin they might be able to loan to a European team if that can be worked out but I think Robertson has to be on the Leafs playing every day.
- Canada Cup

I dont know, whatever they decide to do..not sure on the options, just off the NHL roster for now. to make the cap work.

I dont think Robertson is ready for a fulltime spot.

I think we need their speed

We got slow very quickly
- mr.sir

Most of the team is still fast.
Its only a couple of players.

I think this is overblowm

Marner/Matthews/Nylander/Mik/Kerfoot/Vesey/Simmonds/Brodie/Reilly/Dermott/Hyman are all above average skaters
JT/Muzzin/Holl/Boyd are average
Thornton/Spezza/Bogosian are below average.

Its not that bad
- Archaic

I think this is overblowm

Marner/Matthews/Nylander/Mik/Kerfoot/Vesey/Simmonds/Brodie/Reilly/Dermott/Hyman are all above average skaters
JT/Muzzin/Holl/Boyd are average
Thornton/Spezza/Bogosian are below average.

Its not that bad
- Archaic

Simmonds is a terrible skater.

Simmonds is a terrible skater.
- AdamFrench

I thought he used to be good, maybe just my bad recollection. Either way, still a large amount of Leafs that are good skaters.

- Scabeh

Maybe I just havent watched him enough.

We heard.
- bixll

Well Mr 30 seconds, you may have also heard that’s the way they like it. (I read that somewhere.)

For 2 years?

1 year was going to hit around 1-1.5M.

2 is going to get bumped up more than just a couple hindered K.

I think this is very fair and if you don’t like it it’s just another Dubas hater trying to find ways to pick at him.

1.65 for 2 years for a middle six forward is pretty damn good. I really don’t know how you could ask for more.

Leaf fans want Dubas to get everyone for 800K.
- Santo_44

Give me a break, try to paint everyone with the same brush much? I like Dubas minus his cotract negotiation, which I find he overpays.

I think he probably would have gotten less in arb, but you never know. As I also stated year two could be a steal. But ignore thatm and label people as a Dubas hater

I dont know, whatever they decide to do..not sure on the options, just off the NHL roster for now. to make the cap work.

I dont think Robertson is ready for a fulltime spot.
- senstroll

I really don’t think there’s another spot for him and he has to play. His $800K isn’t the only way to make the cap work.

Give me a break, try to paint everyone with the same brush much? I like Dubas minus his cotract negotiation, which I find he overpays.

I think he probably would have gotten less in arb, but you never know. As I also stated year two could be a steal. But ignore thatm and label people as a Dubas hater


- Archaic

Using what market comparables?

Sorry but if you are going to irrationally constantly hate Dubas signings with zero effort to even prove why then that’s the label you get from me.

Use comparables. Show me why, instead of just saying “he should of got him for less”

Why? What market comparables show is that he should of gotten less?

Just because Dubas overpays
Don't mean Marner's overpaid
We can and will we can and will
When I'm there
We can and will we can and will
A better way a better way

A previous comment expects Mikheyev to score 40 pts for this to qualify as a good deal? Get real - this is a guy who scored at a .6 clip - near the exact same as Connor Brown in way less playing time, and look what Brown's ask is from Ottawa - 4.8. Those guys get paid 3.5-4.5M a season. Soup is on and it's ridiculously cheap. Leafs only exist competitive because it's basically the only team people will take crazy homer deals for. Spezza, Thornton, Simmonds are all players still worth at least 2M a year. Read an article comparing Thornton to Ray Bourque to the Avs to get his cup earlier - but you know what Bourque didn't do? Take money off the table. Toronto will need to land those 1 year deals for aged but competent stars over and over and over again to stay cap competitive, and if they don't *actually win*, I don't know how long those players will keep taking the cut to chase a 50+ year old impossible goal, irrespective of what bed sheets they slept under as kids.

A previous comment expects Mikheyev to score 40 pts for this to qualify as a good deal? Get real - this is a guy who scored at a .6 clip - those guys get paid 3.5-4.5M a season. It's a ridiculously good deal. Leafs only exist competitive because it's basically the only team people will take crazy homer deals for. Spezza, Thornton, Simmonds are all players still worth at least 2M a year. Read an article comparing Thornton to Ray Bourque to the Avs to get his cup earlier - but you know what Bourque didn't do? Take money off the table. Toronto will need to land those 1 year deals for aged but competent stars over and over and over again to stay cap competitive, and if they don't *actually win*, I don't know how long those players will keep taking the cut to chase a 50+ year old impossible goal, irrespective of what bed sheets they slept under as kids.
- Bartacus

Toronto: Land of the hometown discount

With the new adds you could probably ditch Kerfoot for a similar sub 1M upside player deal like happened with Johnsson, and then pay players what they actually earn. Honestly, a previous comment that expecting Mikheyev to score 40 pts and this is a good deal? Get real - this is a guy who scored at a .6 clip - those guys get paid 3.5-4.5M a season. It's a ridiculously good deal. Leafs only exist competitive because it's basically the only team people will take crazy homer deals for. Spezza, Thornton, Simmonds are all players still worth at least 2M a year. Read an article comparing Thornton to Ray Bourque to the Avs to get his cup earlier - but you know what Bourque didn't do? Take money off the table. Toronto will need to land those 1 year deals for aged but competent stars over and over and over again to stay cap competitive, and if they don't *actually win*, I don't know how long those players will keep taking the cut to chase a 50+ year old impossible goal, irrespective of what bed sheets they slept under as kids.
- Bartacus

Mangiapani just got 2x2.5 M for a .3 PPG career clip and a .6 PPG season clip at a similar age.

People just want to complain to complain.

I don’t see any market comparables where Dubas gets screwed here.

Mikheyev is the one who got screwed out of money and it sounds like he likes TO enough to not care.

A previous comment expects Mikheyev to score 40 pts for this to qualify as a good deal? Get real - this is a guy who scored at a .6 clip - those guys get paid 3.5-4.5M a season. It's a ridiculously good deal. Leafs only exist competitive because it's basically the only team people will take crazy homer deals for. Spezza, Thornton, Simmonds are all players still worth at least 2M a year. Read an article comparing Thornton to Ray Bourque to the Avs to get his cup earlier - but you know what Bourque didn't do? Take money off the table. Toronto will need to land those 1 year deals for aged but competent stars over and over and over again to stay cap competitive, and if they don't *actually win*, I don't know how long those players will keep taking the cut to chase a 50+ year old impossible goal, irrespective of what bed sheets they slept under as kids.
- Bartacus

Those guys get paid 3m plus cause they have more than 40 nhl games of experience.
If the cap were going up, the deal is perfect, but money is tight the leafs gotta squeeze every penny out of everyone.
But cest la vie

Give me a break, try to paint everyone with the same brush much? I like Dubas minus his cotract negotiation, which I find he overpays.

I think he probably would have gotten less in arb, but you never know. As I also stated year two could be a steal. But ignore thatm and label people as a Dubas hater


- Archaic

Thats santos for ya. Everyone knows his little shtick.

Mangiapani just got 2x2.5 M for a .3 PPG career clip and a .6 PPG season clip at a similar age.

People just want to complain to complain.

I don’t see any market comparables where Dubas gets screwed here.

Mikheyev is the one who got screwed out of money and it sounds like he likes TO enough to not care.
- Santo_44

That's my point. This team exists competitive to chase fairytales because it screws good players out of money while overpaying its stars. Not to say you don't take advantage of it, mind you. Maybe Henrik Lundqvist will be the 700K goalie Leafs will need next year.

Thats santos for ya. Everyone knows his little shtick.

- Fakepartofme

Show me your market comparables.

Show me why you are saying Mikheyev should of gotten less.

It’s really not hard to explain your complaining.

You are irrationally complaining until you do otherwise.

You are too lazy to even do that. Instead you will try to tarnish my name by talking bad about me to other posters.

I’m not surprised, it’s the easy way out.

I think this is overblowm

Marner/Matthews/Nylander/Mik/Kerfoot/Vesey//Brodie/Reilly/Dermott/Hyman are all above average skaters
JT/Muzzin/Holl/Boyd are average
Thornton/Spezza/Bogosian are below average.
Simmonds the anti-skate

Its not that bad

Edit: Apparently Simmonds is the slowest skater in the league.
- Archaic

lol. Yeah, Simmonds will be the second coming of Andreychuk, probably without as many goals, though.
And Vesey is not above average. He is smack in the middle of average at pretty much everything. Except scoring. He is a necessary kind of player, though. And not a bad pick up, at all. Just not going to set the world on fire.

Just because Dubas overpays
Don't mean Marner's overpaid
We can and will we can and will
When I'm there
We can and will we can and will
A better way a better way
- Zezel

Did you get married yet?

That's my point. This team exists competitive to chase fairytales because it screws good players out of money while overpaying its stars. Not to say you don't take advantage of it, mind you. Maybe Henrik Lundqvist will be the 700K goalie Leafs will need next year.
- Bartacus

I’m not talking about the stars contracts.

I’m talking about the irrational complaining about a middle six forward getting 1.6M for 2 years.

Most of the team is still fast.
Its only a couple of players.
- Fakepartofme

Rielly
Mikheyev
Matthews
Dermott
Robertson

Marner and Nylander = average speed
Is Vesey fast?

I would like to see Korshkov in the lineup