For 2 years?

1 year was going to hit around 1-1.5M.

2 is going to get bumped up more than just a couple hindered K.

I think this is very fair and if you don’t like it it’s just another Dubas hater trying to find ways to pick at him.

1.65 for 2 years for a middle six forward is pretty damn good. I really don’t know how you could ask for more.

Leaf fans want Dubas to get everyone for 800K.
- Santo_44

And then when he does, they complain that it wasn't the right player for that.

And then we he addresses all the off-season needs without dismantling the core, the complaint is that Shanny made him do it.

I’m talking about Mikhyeves contract.

And all I asked you is to provide me comparables as to why you think Mikheyev should of gotten less and you still haven’t.

It doesn’t seem like you can.

I mentioned Sven Andrigettos above 4 years ago. 2 x 1.4 M when the cap was much lower.

He had 2 mins of PP time a game.

Mikheyev had a better scoring rate and was a good PKer. And he scored all his points at 5v5 which historically pays well.

Using Andrigettos comparable it’s possible the Arbitrator could of gone as high as 2M.

I’m happy Dubas settled it with Mikheyev because they got him at a very good number.

1 year he would of been had for even less. They went with 2 years so they can re sign Hyman.
- Santo_44

How many comparables are out there that have played less then half a season after coming over from the KHL in a pandemic year, came back, and werent very good on a bubble play in round series to compare with exactly?

You seem to totally ignore the second half of my comments where I said

"The second year could end up being a steal if he plays like he can. I think he was coming back from injury, and didnt perform, but hell be ready for the start of training camp."

But sure, im irrationally hating on the contract

For sure, I hope some of these picks turn out really nice. We could really use a few low salary players on entry level deals in the next few years awe well.

I was looking at the WJHC projected rosters and there is a bunch of Leaf prospects on them which is nice to see, minus Canadians which the Leafs rarely have minus their first round picks (when the actually select Canadians)
- Archaic

hope this trade down actually works out

7. Topi Niemela, RHD, 18 (Karpat U20)
6-foot-0 | 163 pounds | Acquired: 3rd round, 64th overall, 2020

Being able to trade down and still land Niemela, ranked eighth by NHL Central Scouting among European skaters, was impressive. He has a history of playing up in higher age groups in Finland. His coaches don’t just love his offensive attributes, but also how he can play a physical game despite his size limitations. He has yet to play in Liiga this season, but bolstered but bolstered by a strong hockey sense, his versatility could drive him forward. I’m a big fan.

hope this trade down actually works out
- senstroll

Yeah he seems decent, however I know very little about him.

I was looking at this list https://dobberprospects.c...-wjc-in-2020-2021-oct-21/

It has a few Leafs including Neimela, Hirvonen, and in the future potentially Kokkonen, and Loponen.


Also, the Russion roster https://dobberprospects.c...21-world-juniors-group-b/

With Amirov, Abramov, and Ahktyamov

[quote=Archaic]
Not many with 2 years.

A few with 1 year deals.

And you know, the one I just explained to you above that you completely ignored.

Going off what an arbitrator gave Andrigetto after playing 5 more games than Mikhyev and scoring 9 less points with zero PK time when the cap was 8 million lower...yeah Mikhyev deserves 200K more than him and he probably deserves 2M going off that comparable.

I really don’t think there’s another spot for him and he has to play. His $800K isn’t the only way to make the cap work.
- Canada Cup

Looking at their lineup and the Cap space they'll almost assuredly carry 12 fwds and 7 D. It puts them within inches of the Cap.

Assuming everyone is healthy to start the year and that Thornton, Simmonds, Vesey, and Kerfoot get a spot then you only get to pick two guys from this group (Engvall, Barabanov, Spezza, Robertson, Anderson, Boyd).

I think Spezza plus one of Barabanov/Engvall get that spot.

It doesn't sound like he's planning more trades (Kerfoot) so this is us.

Plus Dubie is on the AHL/Developmental planning committee that's creating a proposal for how to ensure those guys get to play hockey. I'm sure the NHL will invest some $$ into ensuring players # 21-30 get to play hockey this year.

World Jr.'s are a go for Dec. 25th. I'm sure they can create some development league/tournaments for the winter/spring. It'll be a total loss of money but those players are already getting paid.

What I'd do is cut loose the non-development minor leaguers (sorry fellas) and blend some teams together out of the 5-10 guys each organization has to pay/wants to develop. Maybe 12 teams? North Division ...South Division ...half season plus some playoffs in a bubble type environment?

There are creative minds that will ensure the kids are playing hockey.

And then when he does, they complain that it wasn't the right player for that.

And then we he addresses all the off-season needs without dismantling the core, the complaint is that Shanny made him do it.
- gravyface

It’s insane.

The irrational hate Dubas gets for every contract is insane.

A few people even complained about the Thornton contract on here. “He takes up a roster spot”

Direct quote

[quote=Santo_44]

Yeah that isnt exactly making your point. Was he also signed in a pandemic year with a flat cap? A ton of players are getting less this year.

One example isnt exactly concrete. Either way, I never said I hated the contract like you are stating. In fact, I stated it could be a steal in year two.

Looking at their lineup and the Cap space they'll almost assuredly carry 12 fwds and 7 D. It puts them within inches of the Cap.

Assuming everyone is healthy to start the year and that Thornton, Simmonds, Vesey, and Kerfoot get a spot then you only get to pick two guys from this group (Engvall, Barabanov, Spezza, Robertson, Anderson, Boyd).

I think Spezza plus one of Barabanov/Engvall get that spot.

It doesn't sound like he's planning more trades (Kerfoot) so this is us.

Plus Dubie is on the AHL/Developmental planning committee that's creating a proposal for how to ensure those guys get to play hockey. I'm sure the NHL will invest some $$ into ensuring players # 21-30 get to play hockey this year.

World Jr.'s are a go for Dec. 25th. I'm sure they can create some development league/tournaments for the winter/spring. It'll be a total loss of money but those players are already getting paid.

What I'd do is cut loose the non-development minor leaguers (sorry fellas) and blend some teams together out of the 5-10 guys each organization has to pay/wants to develop. Maybe 12 teams? North Division ...South Division ...half season plus some playoffs in a bubble type environment?

There are creative minds that will ensure the kids are playing hockey.
- The Law

Something to keep in mind: roughly 1/3 of AHL teams are NOT owned by their NHL affiliates.

That makes it incredibly difficult to run a season without fans.

My wildly pessimistic shot-in-the-dark guess is that NHL teams will be allowed a certain number of taxi-squad players who don't count against the cap. They can practice and travel (or not, if the NHL team doesn't want to incur the added expense) and be called up if necessary.

The border's not opening any time soon. I just can't see how an AHL season can work.

And that goes double for the ECHL.

[quote=Archaic]

A flat cap?

The cap is 8 million more than when he signed. That’s what matters.

Stop grabbing at straws. An arbitrator will award a player with his market worth given what the cap ceiling is.

Don’t believe me? Wait until you see what the arbitrators give players the next few weeks. It’ll be based of the 81.5M cap ceiling. It’ll be based off the numbers that they are given today. That’s what arbitration is...it doesn’t matter that there is a virus floating around.

An arbitrator will not take the leafs cap situation into account.

Niemela👍

-600k on the Cap now, I am not sure how much Dermott is getting.
- bixll

If Liljegren and Robertson are not on the active roster, we have space for Dermott and his frankin' speedo

[quote=Archaic]


that's where you're wrong.. It will be a steal in year one..
I hope

🥴

[quote=PatC80]

I think he'll be a bargain for what he brings if he remains healthy.

[quote=Santo_44]

Ryan Donato ....34 pts in 68 games got 2 x 1.9 on the eve of arbitration.

This was never a wide-ranging negotiation. The debate, if any, was always going to be do the Leafs sign him at about 1.1 this year and then risk a likely raise to 2+ next year or do they gain some certainty by signing him for 2 years at something in the middle.

If they can get Dermott done with the remaining balance then they've saved a bit of space next season by sacrificing a bit this season.

No tears either way.

Can we all get back to talking about the Lightning and Islanders ....those Cap scenarios are (frank)ing interesting.

[quote=PatC80]

You could be right, we can hope. I think hell come back better then at the end of last year.

[quote=The Law]

Agreed. I wonder what they are going to do. Even Vegas has to trade a player I think still.

[quote=Scabeh]

samesies.. Souperman can play on the 2nd or 3rd line.. I think it's a good deal for both sides

[quote=Archaic]

An arbitrator will not take into account a teams cap situation

Their job is to judge their worth with a percentage of the cap ceiling based off market comparables

It’s not the Arbitrator or Mikhyeves fault if some teams are running out of cap space. They don’t subtract salary because the cap didn’t move up.

So when the cap moved up 6 million a few years would arbitrators lean towards the players high asking over the teams low ask because all teams had a bunch of cap space? Do you really think that’s how arbitration works?

[quote=Santo_44]

He also doesnt have a lot of things in his favor with only 39 GP. Going around in circles, you believe what you want. Honestly, its irrelevant at this point. Its not like I said he was a million overpaid or something. In fact I didnt even said he was overpaid, I just said I would have liked it a bit lower this year

[quote=Archaic]

I wouldn't put too much stock in the play-in round.. We know that some players were not interested in it at all.
I think we need to cut him some slack, he was off for a long time and teams didn't really get any full practice time.

I see no reason why he won't return to how he played before the injury.

[quote=The Law]

Yup another comparable.

Donato did also have 2 mins of PP time a game plus zero PK time.

Again, the leafs got a good deal.

Mikheyev took less. He wants to be a leaf and that’s great.

Looking at their lineup and the Cap space they'll almost assuredly carry 12 fwds and 7 D. It puts them within inches of the Cap.

Assuming everyone is healthy to start the year and that Thornton, Simmonds, Vesey, and Kerfoot get a spot then you only get to pick two guys from this group (Engvall, Barabanov, Spezza, Robertson, Anderson, Boyd).

I think Spezza plus one of Barabanov/Engvall get that spot.

It doesn't sound like he's planning more trades (Kerfoot) so this is us.

Plus Dubie is on the AHL/Developmental planning committee that's creating a proposal for how to ensure those guys get to play hockey. I'm sure the NHL will invest some $$ into ensuring players # 21-30 get to play hockey this year.

World Jr.'s are a go for Dec. 25th. I'm sure they can create some development league/tournaments for the winter/spring. It'll be a total loss of money but those players are already getting paid.

What I'd do is cut loose the non-development minor leaguers (sorry fellas) and blend some teams together out of the 5-10 guys each organization has to pay/wants to develop. Maybe 12 teams? North Division ...South Division ...half season plus some playoffs in a bubble type environment?

There are creative minds that will ensure the kids are playing hockey.
- The Law

I like the idea of creating a set of tourneys for kids and AHL tweeners. It could be pay as you go so that teams that can afford to let their players play do so. Since it’s a set of tourneys, it’s bubblized.

Having said that, I’d still have Robertson on the big club.

[quote=Archaic]

I gave you a comparable of a player that played 4 more games than Mikheyev and was awarded a 2 year deal in arbitration.

You are the one going around in circles grabbing at straws.

It’s okay to be wrong, unless you want to finally give me actual facts as to why Mikhyev should of gotten less.

You seem to be the minority in here right now.