[quote=Archaic]

In terms of salary, he will get less this year, and more in the 2nd year.

If we are going to nitpick, I was hoping for 1.5M and he got 1.645M.

So, based off of what I thought, he might be slightly overpaid.. Then again, I am not Pridham or Dubas, so what the frank do I know?

[quote=PatC80]

Agreed. I think hell be better next year.

[quote=Archaic]


Maybe not so HOT down there??

[quote=Santo_44]
Whatever you say

Something to keep in mind: roughly 1/3 of AHL teams are NOT owned by their NHL affiliates.

That makes it incredibly difficult to run a season without fans.

My wildly pessimistic shot-in-the-dark guess is that NHL teams will be allowed a certain number of taxi-squad players who don't count against the cap. They can practice and travel (or not, if the NHL team doesn't want to incur the added expense) and be called up if necessary.

The border's not opening any time soon. I just can't see how an AHL season can work.

And that goes double for the ECHL.
- Atomic Wedgie

My point is that I think the NHL can get selfish. They don't need to care about all AHL teams and all AHL players.

Some Ahl'ers have real NHL contracts ...not all do. My understanding is that those with real ones are guaranteed (at least as much as the NHL'ers are guaranteed) so they will be paid something by their NHL teams regardless.

If the 31 NHL teams each have 5 or 6 North American developmental players in their systems I could see the NHL teams wanting to invest in some form of developmental league through the AHL with their players. Cut the number of teams down to 10 or 12 and tell the Richard Clune's of the world sorry. Change the rules (they will have to) and make it work.

For me they'll do what makes sense within the parameters of Public Health. They don't need the border open to make it work.

Wild guess - Taxi Squads of 5 or 6 captures guys like Dell, Rosen, Marincin, Boyd, etc...). Those guys can practice and travel and they are what they are.

For the 19-23 yr olds who need to play games I'd have some kind of developmental league set up ..maybe it's via the AHL maybe it's not. Northern league/tournament and Southern league/tournament if needed.

[quote=PatC80]

This was pretty much my thinking as well. Not a huge deal either way honestly. He's a good player. Plus we dont have many players who won the training camp restart MVP award

- Scabeh

I already poked 1 of my own eyes out. Working up the courage to do the other.

I like the idea of creating a set of tourneys for kids and AHL tweeners. It could be pay as you go so that teams that can afford to let their players play do so. Since it’s a set of tourneys, it’s bubblized.

Having said that, I’d still have Robertson on the big club.
- Canada Cup

He might push his way in. I only lean towards Engvall or Barabanov because of their contracts and ability to PK.

Robertson is still young - only 3 weeks older than Amirov.

Pencil both those guys into the lineup next fall. Plus Sandin. Maybe Anderson and Liljegren too. Dubie has them set up pretty well with some cheap contracts on the way.

samesies.. Souperman can play on the 2nd or 3rd line.. I think it's a good deal for both sides
- PatC80

I think the simplest way of looking at it is this: Around December, we were pencilling Mikheyev in for a $2.5 - $3M contract. So, is this payday good to him? Probably not, because he was certainly proving that he was worth more. By that token, it's a great deal for the Leafs.

Then the injury hit, and he played 39 games which is not a significant enough sample size to warrant a fair judgement in arbitration either way. There's almost no data for an adjudicator to make an accurate or fair assessment based on what's there to evaluate.

So as a Leaf fan, we'd like to see more of a bargain based on the absence of data. Based on WHAT Mikheyev looked liked, and what his potential is, he's certainly worth more.

The argument from any discontented Leaf fan is simply going to be this: Dubas frequently sees the player's side, and tries to err with the player in terms of contract negotiation for what the team feels they can bear. There are other more shrewd or less player-friendly GMs who would by trying to take advantage of this situation for cap relief.

I think the simplest way of looking at it is this: Around December, we were pencilling Mikheyev in for a $2.5 - $3M contract. So, is this payday good to him? Probably not, because he was certainly proving that he was worth more. By that token, it's a great deal for the Leafs.

Then the injury hit, and he played 39 games which is not a significant enough sample size to warrant a fair judgement in arbitration either way. There's almost no data for an adjudicator to make an accurate or fair assessment based on what's there to evaluate.

So as a Leaf fan, we'd like to see more of a bargain based on the absence of data. Based on WHAT Mikheyev looked liked, and what his potential is, he's certainly worth more.

The argument from any discontented Leaf fan is simply going to be this: Dubas frequently sees the player's side, and tries to err with the player in terms of contract negotiation for what the team feels they can bear. There are other more shrewd or less player-friendly GMs who would by trying to take advantage of this situation for cap relief.
- Monkeypunk

Wouldn’t the player friendly deal be a one year deal so Mikheyev can get what he is worth next year?

Like AJ? And any Arb deal that wants to get paid what he is worth?

I remember some saying on here yesterday a 2 year contract would tarnish Dubas reputation with Mikheyev since he’d be getting him below his value for 2 years instead of 1.

He might push his way in. I only lean towards Engvall or Barabanov because of their contracts and ability to PK.

Robertson is still young - only 3 weeks older than Amirov.

Pencil both those guys into the lineup next fall. Plus Sandin. Maybe Anderson and Liljegren too. Dubie has them set up pretty well with some cheap contracts on the way.
- The Law

I know his cap hit is going to work against him, but I am very much in the pro-Engvall club. He's great on the PK. He is an efficient forechecked. He is fantastic at puck possession. He's a smart player who also seems to have a good knack for when to dump and when to carry with an obvious preference for carrying. He might not have the best hands or vision, but I like what he does just about every shift.

I think the simplest way of looking at it is this: Around December, we were pencilling Mikheyev in for a $2.5 - $3M contract. So, is this payday good to him? Probably not, because he was certainly proving that he was worth more. By that token, it's a great deal for the Leafs.

Then the injury hit, and he played 39 games which is not a significant enough sample size to warrant a fair judgement in arbitration either way. There's almost no data for an adjudicator to make an accurate or fair assessment based on what's there to evaluate.

So as a Leaf fan, we'd like to see more of a bargain based on the absence of data. Based on WHAT Mikheyev looked liked, and what his potential is, he's certainly worth more.


The argument from any discontented Leaf fan is simply going to be this: Dubas frequently sees the player's side, and tries to err with the player in terms of contract negotiation for what the team feels they can bear. There are other more shrewd or less player-friendly GMs who would by trying to take advantage of this situation for cap relief.
- Monkeypunk

I think the issue for some fans, is they only remember the injury and not his play up until the injury.

If Mikheyev can play on the 2nd line with JT and Marner, it's already a steal..

1.645M for a 2nd line LW is good value

I think the simplest way of looking at it is this: Around December, we were pencilling Mikheyev in for a $2.5 - $3M contract. So, is this payday good to him? Probably not, because he was certainly proving that he was worth more. By that token, it's a great deal for the Leafs.

Then the injury hit, and he played 39 games which is not a significant enough sample size to warrant a fair judgement in arbitration either way. There's almost no data for an adjudicator to make an accurate or fair assessment based on what's there to evaluate.

So as a Leaf fan, we'd like to see more of a bargain based on the absence of data. Based on WHAT Mikheyev looked liked, and what his potential is, he's certainly worth more.

The argument from any discontented Leaf fan is simply going to be this: Dubas frequently sees the player's side, and tries to err with the player in terms of contract negotiation for what the team feels they can bear. There are other more shrewd or less player-friendly GMs who would by trying to take advantage of this situation for cap relief.
- Monkeypunk

What I'm about to do has nothing to do with managing the salary cap.

But being a "good" boss that sees things from the player's (employee) perspective usually pays off down the road.

That might be how you create a culture based on respect where a player might accept less eventually to stick around.

Of course, there's no guarantee but.... it's just a thought.

I like the idea of creating a set of tourneys for kids and AHL tweeners. It could be pay as you go so that teams that can afford to let their players play do so. Since it’s a set of tourneys, it’s bubblized.

Having said that, I’d still have Robertson on the big club.
- Canada Cup

Except the bubbles proved to be too expensive for the NHL's liking.

Just realizing that as soon as the World Series is over by potentially early next week, All we have is the NFL for a few months!

Can we at least get some KHL games or other European league games on our Canadian sports networks. Obviously the games would be on at wee hrs of the morning but we could get the recorded versions on our prime times. Be nice to just see some sort of hockey on TV and not just old games from the 80's.
I don't mind NFL but I'm far from a die hard.
- NewfieStud

Yup

We got the masters in November
World jrs in December
Hopefully nhl starts up Jan 15.

Pretty bleak for the next couple months.

Yup

We got the masters in November
World jrs in December
Hopefully nhl starts up Jan 15.

Pretty bleak for the next couple months.
- bryant

We have the NFL in the meantime

Yup

We got the masters in November
World jrs in December
Hopefully nhl starts up Jan 15.

Pretty bleak for the next couple months.
- bryant

I'd watch the NFL but the team I cheer for since 1994, the Cowboys (because they were the best team to pick in Madden 94 on the super nintendo) just lost their star QB and their defense is just horrendous..... so it's not worth watching.

My point is that I think the NHL can get selfish. They don't need to care about all AHL teams and all AHL players.

Some Ahl'ers have real NHL contracts ...not all do. My understanding is that those with real ones are guaranteed (at least as much as the NHL'ers are guaranteed) so they will be paid something by their NHL teams regardless.

If the 31 NHL teams each have 5 or 6 North American developmental players in their systems I could see the NHL teams wanting to invest in some form of developmental league through the AHL with their players. Cut the number of teams down to 10 or 12 and tell the Richard Clune's of the world sorry. Change the rules (they will have to) and make it work.

For me they'll do what makes sense within the parameters of Public Health. They don't need the border open to make it work.

Wild guess - Taxi Squads of 5 or 6 captures guys like Dell, Rosen, Marincin, Boyd, etc...). Those guys can practice and travel and they are what they are.

For the 19-23 yr olds who need to play games I'd have some kind of developmental league set up ..maybe it's via the AHL maybe it's not. Northern league/tournament and Southern league/tournament if needed.
- The Law

I have yet to see a definitive statement on whether or not guys with AHL contracts get paid if there is no AHL season.

Either way, it's going to be a giant franking mess.

I'd watch the NFL but the team I cheer for since 1994, the Cowboys (because they were the best team to pick in Madden 94 on the super nintendo) just lost their star QB and their defense is just horrendous..... so it's not worth watching.



- Scabeh

You need Fantasy Football my friend.

What I'm about to do has nothing to do with managing the salary cap.

But being a "good" boss that sees things from the player's (employee) perspective usually pays off down the road.

That might be how you create a culture based on respect where a player might accept less eventually to stick around.

Of course, there's no guarantee but.... it's just a thought.
- Scabeh

wasn't that why Yzerman is considered such a GM? Sees things from the players side and isn't a hard guy to deal with?

wasn't that why Yzerman is considered such a GM? Sees things from the players side and isn't a hard guy to deal with?
- PatC80

Same reason Gretzky was such a good coach

You need Fantasy Football my friend.
- TheMussel

I never got into it.

I like football but I barely know the name of every position on the field and I understand nothing about how people get points in fantasy football despite hearing about it every week by my beer league hockey teamates.

Same reason Gretzky was such a good coach
- TheMussel

"Omg guys, just get behind the net, make a pass between the skates of 3 different players for the golden goal opportunity, IT'S EASY!"

Same reason Gretzky was such a good coach
- TheMussel

"Just take the puck, skate through two guys, draw the two defenceman to you because they need to double-team you, then make a ridiculous, no-look pass to your winger for an easy tap-in. Any questions?"