I have an idea for a trade. Right now The Flyers are paying Jake V $8.25M/yr until the 2023-24 season. Winnipeg has $27K in cap space currently and have a multitude of long term deals in place. Why not trade Jake V to Winnipeg straight up for Patrick Laine. The Flyers can, as part of the trade, cover $2M in Jake's salary for the remainder of the deal. Here are the benefits to both sides. Winnipeg would have to sign Laine to a longer term deal to keep him, and that number would be in the $9-10M range per season. With this trade, Winnipeg gets a good player at $6.25M for the next 4 years for roughly the same amount of money they are paying Laine right now. So though it does not provide them cap relief this year, it will provide cap relief in the years to come without badly damaging their current roster. The Flyers on the other hand get out of the Vorecek deal and get a motivated Laine for the upcoming season at the same cost as Voracek, and who is a better fit for what the Flyers' forward group needs right now, a scorer. When the season is over, the Flyers can either let Laine walk and get oodles of cap space to sign Hart, Sanheim and Laughton, or they can decide to work out a longer term deal with Laine. It gives both teams what they need now and flexibility moving forward.

I have an idea for a trade. Right now The Flyers are paying Jake V $8.25M/yr until the 2023-24 season. Winnipeg has $27K in cap space currently and have a multitude of long term deals in place. Why not trade Jake V to Winnipeg straight up for Patrick Laine. The Flyers can, as part of the trade, cover $2M in Jake's salary for the remainder of the deal. Here are the benefits to both sides. Winnipeg would have to sign Laine to a longer term deal to keep him, and that number would be in the $9-10M range per season. With this trade, Winnipeg gets a good player at $6.25M for the next 4 years for roughly the same amount of money they are paying Laine right now. So though it does not provide them cap relief this year, it will provide cap relief in the years to come without badly damaging their current roster. The Flyers on the other hand get out of the Vorecek deal and get a motivated Laine for the upcoming season at the same cost as Voracek, and who is a better fit for what the Flyers' forward group needs right now, a scorer. When the season is over, the Flyers can either let Laine walk and get oodles of cap space to sign Hart, Sanheim and Laughton, or they can decide to work out a longer term deal with Laine. It gives both teams what they need now and flexibility moving forward.
- jd250

Laine would be a RFA...there is no walk in this situation.

Most importantly...why would Winnipeg want Voracek?

I have an idea for a trade. Right now The Flyers are paying Jake V $8.25M/yr until the 2023-24 season. Winnipeg has $27K in cap space currently and have a multitude of long term deals in place. Why not trade Jake V to Winnipeg straight up for Patrick Laine. The Flyers can, as part of the trade, cover $2M in Jake's salary for the remainder of the deal. Here are the benefits to both sides. Winnipeg would have to sign Laine to a longer term deal to keep him, and that number would be in the $9-10M range per season. With this trade, Winnipeg gets a good player at $6.25M for the next 4 years for roughly the same amount of money they are paying Laine right now. So though it does not provide them cap relief this year, it will provide cap relief in the years to come without badly damaging their current roster. The Flyers on the other hand get out of the Vorecek deal and get a motivated Laine for the upcoming season at the same cost as Voracek, and who is a better fit for what the Flyers' forward group needs right now, a scorer. When the season is over, the Flyers can either let Laine walk and get oodles of cap space to sign Hart, Sanheim and Laughton, or they can decide to work out a longer term deal with Laine. It gives both teams what they need now and flexibility moving forward.
- jd250

I like the idea her,e but I think WPG would like, and could get, a more desirable return than Jake at $6.25M for Liane. Just don't think that would be enough for them. Another team would likely beat that offer IMO.

I like the idea her,e but I think WPG would like, and could get, a more desirable return than Jake at $6.25M for Liane. Just don't think that would be enough for them. Another team would likely beat that offer IMO.
- Big_E_88

Plus Winnipeg would be in the same position they are now except they now have a player past their prime.

To put that trade proposal in perspective that a Flyer fan would understand:

Anaheim fan: How about we trade you David Backes for Konecny. Since you need a 3C he could fill that role plus you save 1 million on cap AND you can let him walk so you have more money to re-sign Hart.

Flyer fan:

Laine deal is just too rich for me. We are on the verge of having 3 really good home grown D in Provy/sanheim/Meyers that I am unwilling to part with and the other player they would most likely be interested in is TK and that’s a no thanks for me. tK is a cost controlled good player on his current contract.

I have an idea for a trade. Right now The Flyers are paying Jake V $8.25M/yr until the 2023-24 season. Winnipeg has $27K in cap space currently and have a multitude of long term deals in place. Why not trade Jake V to Winnipeg straight up for Patrick Laine. The Flyers can, as part of the trade, cover $2M in Jake's salary for the remainder of the deal. Here are the benefits to both sides. Winnipeg would have to sign Laine to a longer term deal to keep him, and that number would be in the $9-10M range per season. With this trade, Winnipeg gets a good player at $6.25M for the next 4 years for roughly the same amount of money they are paying Laine right now. So though it does not provide them cap relief this year, it will provide cap relief in the years to come without badly damaging their current roster. The Flyers on the other hand get out of the Vorecek deal and get a motivated Laine for the upcoming season at the same cost as Voracek, and who is a better fit for what the Flyers' forward group needs right now, a scorer. When the season is over, the Flyers can either let Laine walk and get oodles of cap space to sign Hart, Sanheim and Laughton, or they can decide to work out a longer term deal with Laine. It gives both teams what they need now and flexibility moving forward.
- jd250

Sorry, not happening. Voracek isn't a goal scorer anyways. Winnipeg hangs up the phone really fast.

Plus Winnipeg would be in the same position they are now except they now have a player past their prime.

To put that trade proposal in perspective that a Flyer fan would understand:

Anaheim fan: How about we trade you David Backes for Konecny. Since you need a 3C he could fill that role plus you save 1 million on cap AND you can let him walk so you have more money to re-sign Hart.

Flyer fan:
- Glak18

Point taken, and I agree. But, Jake at $6.25M > Backes. Your analogy is also weak/over-exaggerated because we have Konecny locked up at what at least appears to be a reasonable number. Whereas it's pretty much known that with their current cap situation WPG is not going to be able to afford Liane's long term market value after this coming season. So something has to give there

Laine deal is just too rich for me. We are on the verge of having 3 really good home grown D in Provy/sanheim/Meyers that I am unwilling to part with and the other player they would most likely be interested in is TK and that’s a no thanks for me. tK is a cost controlled good player on his current contract.
- ClaudeFather

The way I look at a Laine deal is this way:

Konency is a consistent 24 goal scorer the last 3 years. Laine has average 34 goals the last 3 years. 10 more goals...10. Could Laine score 50...maybe that's very possible, but can TK score 30 something, maybe even 40...maybe.

PLUS you add in a top 4 defenseman AND a 1st round pick (that could end up being a solid roster player) plus maybe more....

For 10-15 goals more? Nah the Flyers are better off without right now. Better to draft a scorer than trade for one UNLESS they are so close to a cup...which they are not.

Im still baffled at the Flyers not picking Ridley Greig at 23. They sure sounded like they liked him and he seems to fill all the needs that they could use: speed, good hockey sense, physical etc. I know his Pops didn’t want him to be picked because of the “ pressure “ he would have been under playing for the home town team. Are you kidding me??!! You want to play in the NHL bad enough you’ll be happy to go wherever!! But, I digress, I’m actually happy we didn’t pick him for that reason. I want players that want to be an Effin Flyer!!

Point taken, and I agree. But, Jake at $6.25M > Backes. Your analogy is also weak/over-exaggerated because we have Konecny locked up at what at least appears to be a reasonable number. Whereas it's pretty much known that with their current cap situation WPG is not going to be able to afford Liane's long term market value after this coming season. So something has to give there
- Big_E_88

Yeah but Laine > Konecny. And something will give, but if they don't trade Laine, maybe they bite the bullet and trade Ehlers or Connor instead and still get a good return.

The way I look at a Laine deal is this way:

Konency is a consistent 24 goal scorer the last 3 years. Laine has average 34 goals the last 3 years. 10 more goals...10. Could Laine score 50...maybe that's very possible, but can TK score 30 something, maybe even 40...maybe.

PLUS you add in a top 4 defenseman AND a 1st round pick (that could end up being a solid roster player) plus maybe more....

For 10-15 goals more? Nah the Flyers are better off without right now. Better to draft a scorer than trade for one UNLESS they are so close to a cup...which they are not.
- Glak18

It just doesn’t make sense, hell idk if I would do it straight up TK for Laine. Tk at his contract compared to Laine at $10M range? I feel like a team like Ottawa could go and get him, they have some good prospects and could make a nice deal.

Yeah but Laine > Konecny. And something will give, but if they don't trade Laine, maybe they bite the bullet and trade Ehlers or Connor instead and still get a good return.
- Glak18

Totally agree.

It just doesn’t make sense, hell idk if I would do it straight up TK for Laine. Tk at his contract compared to Laine at $10M range? I feel like a team like Ottawa could go and get him, they have some good prospects and could make a nice deal.
- ClaudeFather

A Laine trade is going to be complicated. Winnipeg wants good return value, but also don't want high salary coming back.

Now if the Flyers were able to dump salary, say JvR's full 7m (impossible) and had the cap space then they could reasonably offer Sanheim, 1st round and maybe a couple prospects (Frost/York/Foerster). That's a lot and still may not be enough depending on how stubborn Chevy is.

Laine would be a RFA...there is no walk in this situation.

Most importantly...why would Winnipeg want Voracek?
- Glak18

Voracek is still a good player, just overpriced at $8.25M/yr, but at $6M I think this is more palatable.

I have an idea for a trade. Right now The Flyers are paying Jake V $8.25M/yr until the 2023-24 season. Winnipeg has $27K in cap space currently and have a multitude of long term deals in place. Why not trade Jake V to Winnipeg straight up for Patrick Laine. The Flyers can, as part of the trade, cover $2M in Jake's salary for the remainder of the deal. Here are the benefits to both sides. Winnipeg would have to sign Laine to a longer term deal to keep him, and that number would be in the $9-10M range per season. With this trade, Winnipeg gets a good player at $6.25M for the next 4 years for roughly the same amount of money they are paying Laine right now. So though it does not provide them cap relief this year, it will provide cap relief in the years to come without badly damaging their current roster. The Flyers on the other hand get out of the Vorecek deal and get a motivated Laine for the upcoming season at the same cost as Voracek, and who is a better fit for what the Flyers' forward group needs right now, a scorer. When the season is over, the Flyers can either let Laine walk and get oodles of cap space to sign Hart, Sanheim and Laughton, or they can decide to work out a longer term deal with Laine. It gives both teams what they need now and flexibility moving forward.
- jd250

No offense but you really wasted your time writing out a long paragraph for a trade proposal that would never, never happen.

The way I look at a Laine deal is this way:

Konency is a consistent 24 goal scorer the last 3 years. Laine has average 34 goals the last 3 years. 10 more goals...10. Could Laine score 50...maybe that's very possible, but can TK score 30 something, maybe even 40...maybe.

PLUS you add in a top 4 defenseman AND a 1st round pick (that could end up being a solid roster player) plus maybe more....

For 10-15 goals more? Nah the Flyers are better off without right now. Better to draft a scorer than trade for one UNLESS they are so close to a cup...which they are not.
- Glak18

Its a little bit of a chicken and egg thing though, the Flyers are not close to winning the cup because they don't have an elite scorer on their roster or in their system, yet you want them to get this player only when they are close to the cup?

Im still baffled at the Flyers not picking Ridley Greig at 23. They sure sounded like they liked him and he seems to fill all the needs that they could use: speed, good hockey sense, physical etc. I know his Pops didn’t want him to be picked because of the “ pressure “ he would have been under playing for the home town team. Are you kidding me??!! You want to play in the NHL bad enough you’ll be happy to go wherever!! But, I digress, I’m actually happy we didn’t pick him for that reason. I want players that want to be an Effin Flyer!!
- HockeyLifer

What does it tell you about Ridley Greig that his father has to ask the Flyers not to pick him because it would be too much pressure on him?

A Laine trade is going to be complicated. Winnipeg wants good return value, but also don't want high salary coming back.

Now if the Flyers were able to dump salary, say JvR's full 7m (impossible) and had the cap space then they could reasonably offer Sanheim, 1st round and maybe a couple prospects (Frost/York/Foerster). That's a lot and still may not be enough depending on how stubborn Chevy is.
- Glak18

That's the thing, nobody is going to take JVR, nobody! There is a reason Toronto let him walk, because he is not that good! I would not trade Konecny period, I believe he is part of the future leadership of this team. You need to give Winnipeg value back in the trade which is why Voracek makes the most sense. He is a good player that can produce 70+points per season, but he is not part of the Flyers future, so if you can use Laine to get out of the Voracek deal now, and let the rest of the league GMs know you don't want to sign Laine long term, then you can trade Laine at the deadline or you can let another team give him an offer sheet at the end of the season and cash in on the draft picks. I would rather have one year of a motivated Laine than 4 more years of Jake and his cap hit.[/img]

No offense but you really wasted your time writing out a long paragraph for a trade proposal that would never, never happen.
- MJL

You would be surprised with how fast I can type :-) Its a conversation starter, that's all.

Its a little bit of a chicken and egg thing though, the Flyers are not close to winning the cup because they don't have an elite scorer on their roster or in their system, yet you want them to get this player only when they are close to the cup?
- jd250

Yeah but a Laine trade would net the Flyers a scorer, but then guts other parts of their roster. So I guess still chicken vs egg. I mean the Voracek trade would never happen, ever. Even if the Flyers retained 2m of his salary the Flyers still wouldn't get a 1st rounder from anyone let alone a 22 year old scorer.

Appleyard is the best Flyers coverage guy out there today when it comes to prospects. Probably all around.
- Striiker

Agreed

Honestly, if I am spending a first round pick, top prospect and possibly TK, I would spend that on a bonafide top pair D-man before I would spend it on Laine.

They need to solidify that top pair before adding another winger that will make north of $8mil per season. Of course, if they can get him for JVR and a draft pick you do it. But that ain't happening.

Honestly, if I am spending a first round pick, top prospect and possibly TK, I would spend that on a bonafide top pair D-man before I would spend it on Laine.


- mickel25

That's a no brainer.

That's a no brainer.
- MJL

I am sure it would cost more than that. Just stating that if I am using all of those assets in one deal that's what I would prefer.

TK, Sanheim, 3 first round picks, and Frost for Mcdavid. Stanley cup