Let’s not trade Tierny, he has played well for the Senators and should do so in the future. The Sens problems are Colin White and Logan Brown who were drafted under Pierre Dorion’s watch. I hope Pierre can cut bait if they continue to flounder but if he can’t it’s time to replace him with an experienced GM who can stand up to Eugene!
- Barrykerr1

dude, Logan Brown just turned 22, relax a little. Colin White is a 3rd line player, unfortunately PD paid him a bit more than he was worth, but that's not White's fault. the guy is a solid player and should be improved this year.....but if you're expecting him to ever be more than a 15 goal 40 pt guy, well you should change your expectations....he's basically an English version of pageau

So, trade quite literally the only C on the current roster who:
- finished as a top-5 scorer on the team last year;
- took over 1,000 faceoffs last year (51.2%);
- played more than 0:30min/GP on the PK last year

He's also right in his prime RFA years (age 26), is coming off the two best seasons of his career, and is one of the most resilient players in the entire NHL, having missed just 6GP over the past 5 entire NHL seasons.

Not such a good idea, unless you're specifically getting all of that and more in return.
- khawk

agreed 100%, they need Tierney right now in order to isolate some of the youngers centers. we can't exactly roll with top 2 centers of Norris and Brown (who have a combined total of 32 NHL games).

assuming they start Stuetzle on the wing (which I hope they don't), my centers would be (in order)

Tierney
brown
Norris
white

if they play Stuetzle at C

Tierney
Stuetzle
Brown (i'd put Norris at wing)
White

Reports coming out around the planning for the 2021 schedule are certain to include an all Canadian division.

I like this a lot. Should be outstanding for broadcasting and playoffs.

Natural rivalries should expand and flourish.
- spatso

Lefs Habs round 1 could be very likely

Let’s not trade Tierny, he has played well for the Senators and should do so in the future. The Sens problems are Colin White and Logan Brown who were drafted under Pierre Dorion’s watch. I hope Pierre can cut bait if they continue to flounder but if he can’t it’s time to replace him with an experienced GM who can stand up to Eugene!
- Barrykerr1

In Ottawa you have to play DJ hockey or else. I'm sure guys like White and L. Brown know what's expected of them. They'll be different players at camp and I wouldn't worry about them trading Tierney.

In Ottawa you have to play DJ hockey or else. I'm sure guys like White and L. Brown know what's expected of them. They'll be different players at camp and I wouldn't worry about them trading Tierney.
- granpa

I remember well the first few years of the expansion Sens.

Sens' fan chatter is starting to sound a lot like a response to stage II team building. We can see a few sparkles from the young gems that are being slowly developed in the system

Like the expansion Sens, we will see some disappointments. But there is nothing more fun than to be a fan of a young team and be able to watch them grow in front of your own eyes.

In Ottawa you have to play DJ hockey or else. I'm sure guys like White and L. Brown know what's expected of them. They'll be different players at camp and I wouldn't worry about them trading Tierney.
- granpa

Well, then I'm very glad you're not the GM. You trade away Tierney when he objectively becomes redundant - not on the flimsy assumption that someone else "might" be able to play those minutes. Not to mention that quality C depth is worth its weight in gold at the deadline (e.g. Brassard/Pageau). Trading him now, when the majority of playoff-quality teams have no cap space, is just terrible asset management.

Well, then I'm very glad you're not the GM. You trade away Tierney when he objectively becomes redundant - not on the flimsy assumption that someone else "might" be able to play those minutes. Not to mention that quality C depth is worth its weight in gold at the deadline (e.g. Brassard/Pageau). Trading him now, when the majority of playoff-quality teams have no cap space, is just terrible asset management.
- khawk

well, according to some people on this site (cough cough gord_wilson cough cough) that's Dorion's bread and butter.

agreed 100%, they need Tierney right now in order to isolat some of the youngers centers. we can't exactly roll with top 2 centers of Norris and Brown (who have a combined total of 32 NHL games).
assuming they start Stuetzle on the wing (which I hope they don't), my centers would be (in order)
Tierney
brown
Norris
white
- sensarmy_11

I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss White... he had a rough sophomore year, but his rookie season production was equivalent to Tierney's career-high, and that far exceeds anything Norris/Brown have done at the NHL level. Personally, I would suggest he's going into training camp ahead of both Norris/Brown in the depth chart, and everything I've seen indicates that Stutzle will be starting the year as a LW. Now, if Norris/Brown outplay him straight-up, then obviously they should be given a chance to establish themselves as a scoring line C. But there are enough 1-way contracts in play that it's unlikely for all of Stutzle, Batherson, Norris, Formenton, and Brown to make the starting roster, and of those I think only Stutzle & Batherson are considered locks for opening night.

I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss White... he had a rough sophomore year, but his rookie season production was equivalent to Tierney's career-high, and that far exceeds anything Norris/Brown have done at the NHL level. Personally, I would suggest he's going into training camp ahead of both Norris/Brown in the depth chart, and everything I've seen indicates that Stutzle will be starting the year as a LW. Now, if Norris/Brown outplay him straight-up, then obviously they should be given a chance to establish themselves as a scoring line C. But there are enough 1-way contracts in play that it's unlikely for all of Stutzle, Batherson, Norris, Formenton, and Brown to make the starting roster, and of those I think only Stutzle & Batherson are considered locks for opening night.
- khawk

my opinion, based on this still being a rebuilding year....Norris and Brown have significantly more high-end potential than white. if we're honest with ourselves, White is a good 3rd liner at best.....so in a season where winning doesn't mean anything, what's the point in giving those minutes to white instead of the young guys likely to hold top six spots long term.

I agree that, right now, White is probably the better player and if winning was more important than developing, then you'd probably have white higher.

but who knows, he's still young, maybe he comes into camp and looks great........I hope so, I hope he makes the decision as hard as possible.

I agree that, right now, White is probably the better player and if winning was more important than developing, then you'd probably have white higher.
- sensarmy_11

I guess this is my point - so long as Tierney/White are more effective NHL players, then as far as I'm concerned they're the #1/2C on the team. To your point, on a Cup-quality team neither would likely be more than a #3C. But if Norris/Brown are genuinely ready to play a #1/2C role in the NHL, it shouldn't be hard for them to play their way into those roles. What I object to is people's belief that you need to carve out premium ice time opportunities for players who haven't earned it. At the end of the day, if they can't earn their ice time from Tierney/White, they're going to get eaten alive by NHL-quality competition.

Well, then I'm very glad you're not the GM. You trade away Tierney when he objectively becomes redundant - not on the flimsy assumption that someone else "might" be able to play those minutes. Not to mention that quality C depth is worth its weight in gold at the deadline (e.g. Brassard/Pageau). Trading him now, when the majority of playoff-quality teams have no cap space, is just terrible asset management.
- khawk

Did you read my post.

Did you read my post.
- granpa

The one where you just assume Norris/Brown are ready for top-6 NHL minutes, with no evidence whatsoever? And then suggest trading the team's most established C at a time where they can't even maximize the trade return?

Or by "I wouldn't worry about them trading Tierney" did you mean you didn't think they would trade him, as opposed to not being worried about the result of trading Tierney.

Cirelli would never sign that offer sheet, that's a terrible deal for him. he could sign for 3 mil to stay in Tampa and still take home more than he'd get on a 4.3 mil deal in Ottawa.

i'd do the deal for Sergachev, but Tampa would match and just move someone else.
- sensarmy_11

fair but who is tampa moving?

They have 7 days to match and once they match they are u DET pressure - keep in mind they have so many NTC’s

Also I’m down if Sens signed him for 7-7.5m making the decision even harder.

The one where you just assume Norris/Brown are ready for top-6 NHL minutes, with no evidence whatsoever? And then suggest trading the team's most established C at a time where they can't even maximize the trade return?

Or by "I wouldn't worry about them trading Tierney" did you mean you didn't think they would trade him, as opposed to not being worried about the result of trading Tierney.
- khawk

I meant they will NOT trade him.

Sign Mathew Barzal 5-6 years @8.45M ?
(compensation 1st, 2nd, 3rds)

Sign Mathew Barzal 5-6 years @8.45M ?
(compensation 1st, 2nd, 3rds)
- AlfieisKing

guaranteed the isles would match that

I meant they will NOT trade him.
- granpa

Ah, well then sorry for being such a d!ck. I agree, there's no need to trade Tierney, until the younger guys have really shown they're ready for those kind of tough minutes at the NHL level.

Ah, well then sorry for being such a d!ck. I agree, there's no need to trade Tierney, until the younger guys have really shown they're ready for those kind of tough minutes at the NHL level.
- khawk

Tierney is not the most talented center on the team but he plays the position so well.

Cirelli would never sign that offer sheet, that's a terrible deal for him. he could sign for 3 mil to stay in Tampa and still take home more than he'd get on a 4.3 mil deal in Ottawa.

i'd do the deal for Sergachev, but Tampa would match and just move someone else.
- sensarmy_11

they CANT move someone else out, no one wants whop they are willing to move out, they could not give away TJ with unconditional waivers and no one is waiving their NTC. only 3 teams can take on 5m in dead cap for 3+ years without negatively affecting their team, OTT, detroit and NJ, all other teams 12m or less in cap and still plenty opf players they need to sign, and there are better players available still in UFA that are better than TJ, Killorn not to mention those with NTC will need to be protected in the expansion draft so teams are not exactly jumping at the chance of getting TBL NTC players who are all 30 or over with the exception of gourde.

Sign Mathew Barzal 5-6 years @8.45M ?
(compensation 1st, 2nd, 3rds)
- AlfieisKing

That's like the Aho offer sheet... just a waste of time. The more interesting one would be something like a $10.9M/yr offer, which "only" costs an additional 1st round pick. Not sure it works for the Senators, but if the Rangers did it... Panarin/Zibanejad and Lafreniere/Barzal would be a lethal pair of scoring lines.

That's like the Aho offer sheet... just a waste of time. The more interesting one would be something like a $10.9M/yr offer, which "only" costs an additional 1st round pick. Not sure it works for the Senators, but if the Rangers did it... Panarin/Zibanejad and Lafreniere/Barzal would be a lethal pair of scoring lines.
- khawk

rangers will be in cap hell soon in that situation - Zibanejad and Laf will be 16-18m

guaranteed the isles would match that
- sensarmy_11

Again
It’s the cap space issue for them. They still have to sign pulock

Again
It’s the cap space issue for them. They still have to sign pulock
- AlfieisKing

They aren’t going to sacrifice barzal in order to sign pullock

They aren’t going to sacrifice barzal in order to sign pullock
- sensarmy_11

they got 8.9m for both... say they match, who can they move? A lot of NTC and players that other teams won't fit in

they got 8.9m for both... say they match, who can they move? A lot of NTC and players that other teams won't fit in
- AlfieisKing

Off the top of my head, they could pretty easily move cizikas, clutterbuck, hickey, even leddy if they ate some $$