If you could ditch a contract which would it be? Girgs, Okposo, Skinner
- GilPerreault11

Why can't they do what smart teams do and figure out a way to ditch 2 or even all 3?

If you could ditch a contract which would it be? Girgs, Okposo, Skinner
- GilPerreault11

Skinner without hesitation, Okposo brings diversity to PSE he’s a keeper.

What everyone fails to realize now is Girgs doesn’t have to drive to Pitt every night to taste some WAP. That lady is comfy in some suburban $500k house in the 716 waiting to play wife for him.

Kid is just a stinky Latvian (works his balls off, neck down type) that wants stability - Kougar club provides that. I’m expecting 16g, 18a if they play a full season.

Less long lonely drives more time in a better environment means success.

If you could ditch a contract which would it be? Girgs, Okposo, Skinner
- GilPerreault11

Okposo without hesitation

Okposo without hesitation
- jcragcrumple

Skinner is going to be your twice as heavy and longer Okposo contract when you see that light.

Here are the 100 disclaimers, with the bold for what I was responding to, but I was told that was not the topic at hand...

I suppose. I know they love him unconditionally. I think you get him the right partner and you're on your way. Shed Montour or Miller for an LD that has a transition game. Hanifin or Valimaki.

Kinda tough seeing Montour on the block after a fresh 1 year deal, though. And we know Ralph doesn't like Miller.

Just trying to read the leaves.
- kingcong39

Thought I clarified it the first time, but I will again.

You're stuck with him. He's staying. So your options are find him a partner that makes him more efficient, or don't. That's my point.

And no, that wasn't my only post on the matter.

Skinner is going to be your twice as heavy and longer Okposo contract when you see that light.
- GilPerreault11

There's definitely an argument for Skinner, but I think he's going to be highly useful over the next 4-5 years when we should be good. Okposo's remaining 3 years being gone means I could re-sign Hall easily and still have Skinner. He had a horrible year but i think will bounce back in a major way.

Basically I'd take care of the immediate waste of money

There's definitely an argument for Skinner, but I think he's going to be highly useful over the next 4-5 years when we should be good. Okposo's remaining 3 years being gone means I could re-sign Hall easily and still have Skinner. He had a horrible year but i think will bounce back in a major way.

Basically I'd take care of the immediate waste of money
- jcragcrumple

Been buying since the season ended, this is going to be a hell of a bounce back year for Skins. Get ready.

There's definitely an argument for Skinner, but I think he's going to be highly useful over the next 4-5 years when we should be good. Okposo's remaining 3 years being gone means I could re-sign Hall easily and still have Skinner. He had a horrible year but i think will bounce back in a major way.

Basically I'd take care of the immediate waste of money
- jcragcrumple

We'll see but in two years I predict every trade you propose on here will have a Skinner dump just as you now have an Okposo dump.

We'll see but in two years I predict every trade you propose on here will have a Skinner dump just as you now have an Okposo dump.
- GilPerreault11

Skinner's gonna be Skinner for several more years. Don't think I'll be wrong, but if I am, take this $5 coupon to Bennigans.

Skinner's gonna be Skinner for several more years. Don't think I'll be wrong, but if I am, take this $5 coupon to Bennigans.
- TheSabresTaco

I've seen Skinner for the last 100 games and since he won't be on a Drew Stafford half a contract year like he was when he scored 40 but collapsed in Feb and hasn't been the same since I'll go with that.

Skinner has 258 goals over 720 games

or .35 goals per game

Girgensons is at 61 over 469 games

or .13 goals per game.

You're right, Skinner scores goals at almost 3x the rate Girgensons does, not 4.
- sbroads24

Thank you.

Let's do the last 100 games as a sabre for both guys?

Seems more realistic, same team , same surrounding cast?

Thank you.

Let's do the last 100 games as a sabre for both guys?

Seems more realistic, same team , same surrounding cast?
- Boss34

Why not the last two full seasons? Or does that not fit your narrative?

Edit: I know it doesn’t

OHL to start regular season Feb 4th

Why not the last two full seasons? Or does that not fit your narrative?
- Stripes77

18, 16, 15, 18, 19

At 26, is there really any question what Girgs is at this point?

Skinner's gonna be Skinner for several more years. Don't think I'll be wrong, but if I am, take this $5 coupon to Bennigans.
- TheSabresTaco

Skinner was skinner last year am I not mistaken?

14 goals ?

Skinner is the single worst unmovable, untradeable contract in the nhl

He Was irrelevant on the ice and score sheet last season

Almost like he took his overpriced contract and slowed down.

18, 16, 15, 18, 19

At 26, is there really any question what Girgs is at this point?
- Lunaion

He wants to compare Girgensons to Skinner post his ankle injury in early 2019. Not the entire season. He’s just manipulating the data in his favor.

Why not the last two full seasons? Or does that not fit your narrative?

Edit: I know it doesn’t
- Stripes77

So what? 100 games 2 seasons/ STILL WRONG

52 goals for skinner
19 goals for girgs

Basically 1/3 goal production. Oh, gurgs didnt play with eichel.

So 4 x 19 = 76 goals ? That is skinners expectation?
That doesn't fit your narrative or broads or tacos.

So what? 100 games 2 seasons/ STILL WRONG

52 goals for skinner
19 goals for girgs

Basically 1/3 goal production. Oh, gurgs didnt play with eichel.

So 4 x 19 = 76 goals ? That is skinners expectation?
That doesn't fit your narrative or broads or tacos.
- Boss34

53 goals 86 points last two seasons

Versus 37 points last two seasons for Girgensons.

Skinner didn’t play with Eichel for 59 games either instead he had Sobotka and Mojo to carry.

18, 16, 15, 18, 19

At 26, is there really any question what Girgs is at this point?
- Lunaion

Do certain players play better under different coaches and systems?

Ralph liked the way girgs played in his system and paid the guy accordingly.

Girgs has been glued to Larsson similiar to sammie and eichel. He has been handicapped by linemates ( and probably handicapped a few teammates himself)

I think most smart gms take a whole career into consideration, but if the coach likes the player and sees him as a borderline 3rd liner for 2.2 ? Seems reasonable?

53 goals 86 points last two seasons

Versus 37 points last two seasons for Girgensons.


Skinner didn’t play with Eichel for 59 games either instead he had Sobotka and Mojo to carry.
- Stripes77

I dont care how you manipulate the #'s. Do whatever you want?

Skinner is not 4x the point producer or goal scorer, but he's making 4x + as much.

That is the argument, and you are failing to prove anything other than my point

Do certain players play better under different coaches and systems?

Ralph liked the way girgs played in his system and paid the guy accordingly.

Girgs has been glued to Larsson similiar to sammie and eichel. He has been handicapped by linemates ( and probably handicapped a few teammates himself)

I think most smart gms take a whole career into consideration, but if the coach likes the player and sees him as a borderline 3rd liner for 2.2 ? Seems reasonable?
- Boss34

My point is that he's played under 6 coaches and has pretty much been the same player under all of them.

I don't like the idea that he's been held back in any way. He's had every opportunity to move up in the lineup and benefits from more minutes than you'd really like to give him.

A. Hall is a LW, Reinhart is a RW
B. They signed him to a 1 year deal, where he can walk if things do not go well.
C. What exactkly is Ralph's "vision" and do you have any quotes or links to back up that vision or just pure speculation because they made a boneheaded decision on Girgensons?
- sbroads24

Lucky it's a short season because lately the sabres start the season very well but then go off a cliff

Getting into the playoffs and playing well could convince hall to stay

If not or not in the playoffs hunt then he is a trade chip

I dont care how you manipulate the #'s. Do whatever you want?

Skinner is not 4x the point producer or goal scorer, but he's making 4x + as much.

That is the argument, and you are failing to prove anything other than my point
- Boss34

I guess I’ll repeat it for the 134,213th time.

Everyone on the planet agrees Skinner is overpaid.

You’re new buddy Taylor Hall had 4 more goals than Girgensons last year. A few *less* than Sam Reinhart.

He makes 8 mil. What gives? He should be tripling Girgensons numbers are least

Skinner was skinner last year am I not mistaken?

14 goals ?

Skinner is the single worst unmovable, untradeable contract in the nhl

He Was irrelevant on the ice and score sheet last season

Almost like he took his overpriced contract and slowed down.
- Boss34

Skinner agreed to stay here for 8 years.

Where’s that loyalty characteristic you claim to like ?

Big difference...Skinner was signed by Botts to produce offence and Girgs was signed by KA/Kruegs to bring energy, kill penalties and shut down other teams producers.

I don't care if people think they overpaid for Girgs, honestly the discussion is old. They signed him before free agency opened before they knew what the market looked like, maybe they wanted him more than Girgs wanted to stay. I don't know and neither do you. They wanted to keep him, they got what they wanted. You can try to compare point toals or whatever between Skinner and Girgs but you are wasting your time. Girgs has one roll as Krueger sees it and Skinner, who was signed by Botts, has a very different one. They made a decision, they got the guy they were comfortable with. He cost what he cost, period. There was no overpaying, they paid what they felt they had to in order to keep said player. There was no guarantee they could have gotten some other player they really liked in free agency for any cheaper.