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Forums :: Blog World :: Eklund: Source: The Rangers Considering Making Offer Sheet For Barzal.
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patenaude
Joined: 07.19.2006

Oct 23 @ 4:14 PM ET
It would make more sense, and with a greater probability of success for the Rangers to offer sheet Anthony Cirelli.
junaka3
Joined: 08.12.2009

Oct 23 @ 4:17 PM ET
Rangers cant offer in that range, anywhere between 6.5-10.9, because they dont have their 2nd round pick. Barzal wont sign anything less than 6.5 so they'd need to go into the four 1sts compensation range which is not happening.
- vlongo4419

Considering the prospect pool we’ve built, 4 firsts wouldn’t really hurt us going forward. If you’re signing Barzal, you’re hoping to consistently be going deep in playoffs. And it’s not like we can’t trade for 1st rounders.
Steven_Seagull
Joined: 03.03.2016

Oct 23 @ 4:24 PM ET
Neat, so Ek listens to the Steve Dangle Podcast, too?
mattstake
Joined: 07.01.2012

Oct 23 @ 4:52 PM ET
where does he come up with this sht?
gergeswillems
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Malkin wants to be The Man, ON
Joined: 02.01.2016

Oct 23 @ 5:16 PM ET
where does he come up with this sht?
- mattstake

https://youtu.be/l6DOGITIfAY
DarthProbert
Joined: 06.29.2016

Oct 23 @ 5:49 PM ET
So, if Barzal gets the offer sheet, he's free to go to NYI's management and say "here's the offer, will you match or not?" right? Then he can just get his contract settled just like that. He could use the offer to get signed with his own team with no intention of playing for NYR.
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

Oct 23 @ 6:04 PM ET
Considering the prospect pool we’ve built, 4 firsts wouldn’t really hurt us going forward. If you’re signing Barzal, you’re hoping to consistently be going deep in playoffs. And it’s not like we can’t trade for 1st rounders.
- junaka3


the 11 million a year cap hit would certainly hurt though

I dont think Barzal is an 11 million player, not yet anyway
Sharks77
Season Ticket Holder
San Jose Sharks
Location: San Bruno, CA
Joined: 06.08.2013

Oct 23 @ 6:11 PM ET
Malkin is going to L.A.

No way, EK has been saying for years Malkin is heading to Chicago
BluesDroogie
St Louis Blues
Location: St. Louis, MO
Joined: 06.12.2014

Oct 23 @ 6:37 PM ET
Offer sheets galore time!!!!!! We saw how many were given last off season??!!!!!!

Ek is smart
ghostibator
Washington Capitals
Joined: 02.17.2010

Oct 23 @ 6:44 PM ET
I know I am just perpetuating the clickbait by responding (and you could care less if your posts make any sense in relation to another - very Trumpian). Alas, I can't help myself....

You claimed the Isles are ready to trade Barzal for a sack of potatoes (clearly false); so why would the Rags offer sheet him and give up a ton of picks / potential when they can likewise trade an attractive sack of potatoes?

Hmmmmm......
mattstake
Joined: 07.01.2012

Oct 23 @ 8:20 PM ET
https://youtu.be/l6DOGITIfAY
- gergeswillems

BernardShakey
Joined: 08.16.2016

Oct 23 @ 8:23 PM ET
Would love to see this move. The dozens of islander fans could then move on from hating on Tavares to Barzal. The common denominator is the third rate franchise...Ny Islanders
fls13
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 03.24.2009

Oct 23 @ 11:42 PM ET
The Rangers should focus on improving the worst amateur drafting in the NHL over the last 20+ years. If they don't prioritize that, they're going nowhere.
currphij
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Airdrie, AB
Joined: 08.25.2013

Oct 24 @ 12:19 AM ET
It doesn't need to be that crazy.
Make this a 7 year offer sheet and the total salary is divided by 5 years.

For it to work for the Rangers, they would need to offer up a salary of $54,538,681 over 7 years to equal the $10,907,736 requirement for 4 x 1st round draft picks.

That's only $7,791,240 per year. I could see Barzal getting $7.8 Mil a season.
thechezman
New Jersey Devils
Location: 9083103373, NJ
Joined: 04.24.2016

Oct 24 @ 12:48 AM ET
F T R .
Landsbergfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gävle, Sweden
Joined: 07.15.2014

Oct 24 @ 4:36 AM ET
No they aren't.

https://www.hockeybuzz.co...Boeser-Mons-Buzz/1/106411

Columbus Offer Sheet for Barzal? That rumor is out there... Eklund

https://www.hockeybuzz.co...-Offer-Up-Barzal/1/107958

- gergeswillems

BJs not very profitablein in these mask days.
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

Oct 24 @ 7:05 AM ET
It doesn't need to be that crazy.
Make this a 7 year offer sheet and the total salary is divided by 5 years.

For it to work for the Rangers, they would need to offer up a salary of $54,538,681 over 7 years to equal the $10,907,736 requirement for 4 x 1st round draft picks.

That's only $7,791,240 per year. I could see Barzal getting $7.8 Mil a season.

- currphij


why wouldnt the Islanders just match that then?

they have a brand new arena they are going to want to sell tickets to and Barzal is their leading gate atraction
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

Oct 24 @ 7:07 AM ET
The Rangers should focus on improving the worst amateur drafting in the NHL over the last 20+ years. If they don't prioritize that, they're going nowhere.
- fls13


Rangers pretty much have the best prospects group in the NHL at the moment, thanks for the concern though
Jrw10
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 02.21.2013

Oct 24 @ 9:29 AM ET
Just like Aho wanting to go to Montreal & signed the offer sheet, Barzal would have to want to go to the Rangers & would have to sign the offer sheet, but, does Barzal want to go play for the Rangers? That would be the question!
Nfdbulldawg
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 06.29.2007

Oct 24 @ 10:30 AM ET
Would love to see this move. The dozens of islander fans could then move on from hating on Tavares to Barzal. The common denominator is the third rate franchise...Ny Islanders
- BernardShakey


Islander fans WILL NEVER STOP HATING TAVARES!!!! Just saying.
Nfdbulldawg
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 06.29.2007

Oct 24 @ 10:33 AM ET
This is the big "IF". Just like if my Aunt had ballz she would be my Uncle.
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Oct 24 @ 11:15 AM ET
NYI do have just under 9 mill available to sign both Pulock and Barzal which is not enough IMO so it isnt out of the realm of possibility


Thing is GMs are smart. They arent going to just throw out offer sheets just because they can. They will do so if the cost makes sense, player is open to it and if they believe there is a good chance it wont get matched.

A big reason why offer sheets are not as common is because teams will generally match the offer. In order to poach a player, you got to pay them more than the other team can or is willing to pay. With Stars, teams will move mountains to keep them. If an offersheet came in right now for Barzal, I could tell you right now Leddy or Boychuck would be shipped out instantly with a top prospect or pick.

I just dont see a scenario where the Isles dont match either RFA which is why you probably wont see any offer sheets.

If you look back at the recent Offer sheet history you will see a trend.

Typically all the Star players were matched, Fedorov in 1998, Vanek in 2007, Weber in 2012, RoR in 2013 and Aho in 2019 were all matched.

Even most of the lower tier players(Lower than players above) were matched like S.Bernier, Hjarlmarsson, Backes and Kesler. The only one that was let go was Dustin Penner in 2007 to EDM. Giving up a 1st, 2nd and 3rd was a lot to give up for an average 2nd line Winger.




VonDouche
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Whitehall, MI
Joined: 06.26.2014

Oct 24 @ 2:14 PM ET
Who's here for no other reason than to call out this for being the obviously made up bologna it is?

Literally no conversation in the world between two people has been "yeah we were all in the team meeting and GM was talking about how he is considering offer sheeting Barzal" he just might actually do it. Let alone that info making its way to you. They would say it to the press before people who regularly converse with the decision makers would say it to you. That's not even something a GM just goes around telling anyone. He MIGHT talk it over with his wife. He just MAY have a conversation with someone about the pros and cons of doing it. But realistically it wasn't even a thought in his head, let alone one he voiced to anyone who voiced to someone else who voiced it to the guy you claim to know.

Maybe JUST MAYBE if you were an "insider" for a specific team your "sources" might come off as being a real thing, but with how many outlandish claims you make about every team in the NHL, you clearly make stuff up to try and get more clicks. Especially since real insiders never say anything about these wild claims that never come true.
Ranjaz023
Location: CT
Joined: 09.14.2020

Oct 26 @ 12:56 AM ET
Islanders have 8.9m in cap space according to cap friendly with only about 500k in bonuses possible they have about 8.4m to spend. I doubt they would want to spend right up to the cap in a flat cap league for the next few years. Only RFA/UFA players are Cizikas, Beauviller, Sorkin and Dal Cole. Everyone else will be signed for at least another year. Their big guys are signed through at least 2023-2024.

If the Rangers were to offer sheet it would have to be over 7.5m for it to make sense. Then it would really make things tough on the Islanders as they would only clear about 7m to resign a potential great goalie and all the other parts they would need for their middle and bottom 6.

Rangers at an offer of 7/7 would be giving up a 1st, 2nd and 3rd. Since the Rangers dont have their 2nd in the 2021 draft they can't offer anything between 5.478-7.305, they would have to go above that to 7.305-9.131 whigh would be 2 first rounders a 2nd and 3rd. Since they again, don't have thier own 2nd they would have to move up the ladder again and offer over 9.131 and give up their next 4 first round picks. I doubt that would EVER happen given the history of the organization during the post Sather era and the ongoing rebuild. They could go the opposite way and try for a sheet of 3.652-5478 and give up a 1st and 3rd round pick but I'd think the Islanders would (and could) match.

I really don't see this working AT ALL for the Rangers. They couldn't really even offer sheet the guy unless they want to low ball the guy or pay over what he is probably worth because they don't have their 2nd next year. It's a dumb idea considering all the contracts the Rangers need to hand out to Zib and thier RFA's coming up over the next few years.
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