he can be traded to 21 teams the whole time though.
- 21peter

This.

If the Leafs didn't have a Phil Kessel buyout on the books they'd be under the cap ceiling right now.

he can be traded to 21 teams the whole time though.
- 21peter

For sure. But no trade clauses are things that players need to earn and should be tactics to get their price down a bit. Not given to career nothings.

I think it's kinda insane that Holl can potentially say "yeah, no. I don't want to be traded there."

For sure. But no trade clauses are things that players need to earn and should be tactics to get their price down a bit. Not given to career nothings.

I think it's kinda insane that Holl can potentially say "yeah, no. I don't want to be traded there."
- GreatGigInTheSky

Ehh... it's only 10 teams and it's a short term, cheap contract. Much ado about nothing, methinks.

For sure. But no trade clauses are things that players need to earn and should be tactics to get their price down a bit. Not given to career nothings.

I think it's kinda insane that Holl can potentially say "yeah, no. I don't want to be traded there."
- GreatGigInTheSky

but but but Dubie is such a bad mother(frank)ing GM; he crushed poor Dermott... Why was he softer than slime on this one? Is he a bit on the mad side?

but but but Dubie is such a bad mother(frank)ing GM; he crushed poor Dermott... Why was he softer than slime on this one? Is he a bit on the mad side?
- 21peter

I mean, in the COVID world, would Holl have managed to secure a 2Mx3 contract with an M-NTC? Probably not. The landscape has changed.

But still... I think he's just fine at 2Mx3. I want to see more of him with Muzzin.

Ehh... it's only 10 teams and it's a short term, cheap contract. Much ado about nothing, methinks.
- mjones242

I would expect that Holl or Engvall are Seattle-bound next year anyway.

Ehh... it's only 10 teams and it's a short term, cheap contract. Much ado about nothing, methinks.
- mjones242

Hopefully very short term.

but but but Dubie is such a bad mother(frank)ing GM; he crushed poor Dermott... Why was he softer than slime on this one? Is he a bit on the mad side?
- 21peter

Because he unfortunately likes Holl.

I mean, in the COVID world, would Holl have managed to secure a 2Mx3 contract with an M-NTC? Probably not. The landscape has changed.

But still... I think he's just fine at 2Mx3. I want to see more of him with Marincin.
- mjones242

*fixed that to (frank) you up real good

Ehh... it's only 10 teams and it's a short term, cheap contract. Much ado about nothing, methinks.
- mjones242

2M for a guy that can play in the top 4 makes sense to me.

People got sour on him when he had to be their number 1 D when Rielly and Muzzin went down. I for one don’t expect him to play well when being tasked with that.

But when he plays behind some D ahead of him he’s done well.

I can’t ask much more for a guy that makes 2M. 1.3M over league minimum.

I would expect that Holl or Engvall are Seattle-bound next year anyway.
- Monkeypunk

and then a clever guy comes along

Hopefully very short term.
- GreatGigInTheSky

I’m happy you’ve found the leafs player you can pour all your anger and hate on for no particular reason.

I haven’t found mine yet.

There is no explanation for a 28 year old with a hand full of games of mediocre hockey at the NHL level getting a partial no trade clause on a 3 year deal.
- GreatGigInTheSky

He played well in the top 4.

2M is what he gets. 1.3M over league minimum.

Who cares about a partial no trade clause. If they need to trade him they can, 20 other teams would be interested in a 4/5 D getting 2M.

I like that its 1 year. Its good for Dermott to prove himself as well as he doesn't need expansion protection since he doesn't have a contract for the following year.
- Aaron_85

Seattle can pick his rights up.

Seattle can pick his rights up.
- Santo_44

They can? Didn't know that

I always hope players for teams I don't like win their arbitration and get more money but I think Buttalo's number is closer than the players here.
- GreatGigInTheSky

yeah, no way I see Ullmark worth 4.1 at this point.

They can? Didn't know that
- 21peter

He’ll be arbitration eligible so depending on the year he has they may not want him.

They could choose holl at 2M over Dermott at what Weegar is about to get.

He’ll be arbitration eligible so depending on the year he has they may not want him.

They could choose holl at 2M over Dermott at what Weegar is about to get.
- Santo_44

👍

I’m happy you’ve found the leafs player you can pour all your anger and hate on for no particular reason.

I haven’t found mine yet.
- Santo_44

I don't like nothing players that the team is better off without. Sue me.

Holl isn't good and I'd take 8 of the guys they've got over him if I include Sandin and Liljegren. $2M is too much for a pressbox player so trade him and free up $2M. Gives them more CAP to work with so they can make a better add at the deadline.

I don't know, makes way too much sense to me.

*fixed that to (frank) you up real good
- 21peter

I don't like nothing players that the team is better off without. Sue me.

Holl isn't good and I'd take 8 of the guys they've got over him if I include Sandin and Liljegren. $2M is too much for a pressbox player so trade him and free up $2M. Gives them more CAP to work with so they can make a better add at the deadline.

I don't know, makes way too much sense to me.
- GreatGigInTheSky

Liljegren is not even close to being ready to be an everyday defender and Sandin, who looks like he may have the tools to be a legit Top 4 d-man, is too weak, too green, and too left-handed to take Holl's spot at this stage. But, and more importantly, Sandin and Liljegren can (and will) be buried - that flexibility is key to maintaining the cap situation.

Having said that, it's going to be interesting seeing how Dermott/Lehtonen/Holl perform in training camp. We'll probably see 7D dress on some nights and a lot of rotation in and out of the lineup for each on nights they only have 6D. Should be fun seeing how the situation evolves during the course of the season.

2M for a guy that can play in the top 4 makes sense to me.

People got sour on him when he had to be their number 1 D when Rielly and Muzzin went down. I for one don’t expect him to play well when being tasked with that.

But when he plays behind some D ahead of him he’s done well.

I can’t ask much more for a guy that makes 2M. 1.3M over league minimum.
- Santo_44

Totally agreed!

Liljegren is not even close to being ready to be an everyday defender and Sandin, who looks like he may have the tools to be a legit Top 4 d-man, is too weak, too green, and too left-handed to take Holl's spot at this stage. But, and more importantly, Sandin and Liljegren can (and will) be buried - that flexibility is key to maintaining the cap situation.

Having said that, it's going to be interesting seeing how Dermott/Lehtonen/Holl perform in training camp. We'll probably see 7D dress on some nights and a lot of rotation in and out of the lineup for each on nights they only have 6D. Should be fun seeing how the situation evolves during the course of the season.
- mjones242

1st paragraph- Yeah, that's why I said if I included them. They're much more important to the team going on but right now Holl is better. That still makes Holl #7.

2nd- I hope Lehtonen comes out flying like he is in the K and I'm happy Dermott will be healthy.

1st paragraph- Yeah, that's why I said if I included them. They're much more important to the team going on but right now Holl is better. That still makes Holl #7.

2nd- I hope Lehtonen comes out flying like he is in the K and I'm happy Dermott will be healthy.
- GreatGigInTheSky

Kind of hard to rank Lehtonen, a guy who has never played a single game in the NHL, over Holl at this point, no?

I'd also argue against Dermott > Holl. He's about as mehdiocre as a player can get. Plus, he seems to enjoy sporting speedos and cornrows.