oh boy

Giving a guy the guillotine cause he was terrible when he was 12.

Not your finest hour boys...

This exactly.

I just have a problem with people making assumptions of a 19 year old for something he did in grade 9.

Its sad.
- Santo_44

Well for what it's worth, if I had terrorized a disabled black kid FOR YEARS as a teenager, I would totally expect people to still call me out for it 5 years later.

Because I would feel like I deserve every little bit of it. And more.

But that's just me.

This exactly.

I just have a problem with people making assumptions of a 19 year old for something he did in grade 9.

Its sad.
- Santo_44

Based on the facts laid out before us, its easy to make assumptions.
We just don't know how hes acted since.

What does his situation have to do with dipping a sucker in the urinal and giving it to a disabled child.
- bixll

EWWWW!

Well for what it's worth, if I had terrorized a disabled black kid FOR YEARS as a teenager, I would totally expect people to still call me out for it 5 years later.

Because I would feel like I deserve every little bit of it. And more.

But that's just me.
- Scabeh

"Occurred for various reasons"?
I agree, dont judge him on one stupid douchebag act he did years ago.....but there is no "reason" for what he did. Inexcusable.
- Fakepartofme

What he did was very very wrong.

But yes, there usually are psychological issues for why a kid acts out like this. Its not an excuse, its just important to investigate and turn the kid around as soon as possible.

I have no knowledge of this guy so I cant have an opinion. I do think its unfair how so many people are labeling him for what he did in grade 9.

- AdamFrench

KAZOOOOOOOO

Well for what it's worth, if I had terrorized a disabled black kid FOR YEARS as a teenager, I would totally expect people to still call me out for it 5 years later.

Because I would feel like I deserve every little bit of it. And more.

But that's just me.
- Scabeh

Agreed.
But i guarantee that if the kid had made amends and has since done a complete 180 and learned from his sh!tty actions, that one is going out of their way to print or tweet about that.
If that occured

I agree - we can't forgive someone for something they did as a teenager. People don't change - ever.

That's why I also believe we should lock up all criminals and throw away the key. You can't reform people, so stop trying. Once a piece of sh!t, always a piece of sh!t.

oh boy

Giving a guy the guillotine cause he was terrible when he was 12.

Not your finest hour boys...
- 21peter

Its actually pretty sad

Kids dont deserve to be on the hook for the entire world to see on something that they did for the rest of their life. The kid did his time, suffered the consequences and is now an NHL draftee.

I hate social media sometimes.

oh boy

Giving a guy the guillotine cause he was terrible when he was 12.

Not your finest hour boys...
- 21peter

I think he did it from the ages of 12-14.. It wasn't just an isolated incident.

oh boy

Giving a guy the guillotine cause he was terrible when he was 12.

Not your finest hour boys...
- 21peter

I know this doesn’t surprise you.

I agree - we can't forgive someone for something they did as a teenager. People don't change - ever.

That's why I also believe we should lock up all criminals and throw away the key. You can't reform people, so stop trying. Once a piece of sh!t, always a piece of sh!t.
- Leafs43

I know you are joking

but (frank) some people have this mindset.

I didnt think some guys on here would.

I know this doesn’t surprise you.
- Woderwick

WIIIIIIIIIIIILLLSSSOOOOOOOOOOOON

I think he did it from the ages of 12-14.. It wasn't just an isolated incident.
- PatC80

Irrelevent.

No one is debating wether what he did was bad or how bad it was...

Its actually pretty sad

Kids dont deserve to be on the hook for the entire world to see on something that they did for the rest of their life. The kid did his time, suffered the consequences and is now an NHL draftee.

I hate social media sometimes.
- Santo_44

he's a fourth rounder. Can be easily sent to Leipsic island

Irrelevent.

No one is debating wether what he did was bad or how bad it was...
- Santo_44

I don't think it's irrelevent.

Because if it was just one very, very mean prank at one time when he was 12.

We wouldn't be talking about this.

But it happened FOR YEARS.

So we are.

Irrelevent.

No one is debating wether what he did was bad or how bad it was...
- Santo_44

I don't know. I don't think it's irrelevant.. Maybe if it was an isolated incident. Over the course of two years, that seems like a pattern to me.

Frightening article in the Athletic on the financial state of MLB, and the deep cuts they are making.

Here's the doozy:

"The league’s revenues in 2020 were $3 billion and expenses were $6.1 billion, per a league official. Revenues in 2019 totaled $10.7 billion. Had this season been played normally, with fans in the stands, MLB claims it expected $10 billion in revenues and $10.2 billion in expenses — a suggestion that MLB expected to both lose money in 2020, and take in less than it did the year before. "

I don't think it's irrelevent.

Because if it was just one very, very mean prank at one time when he was 12.

We wouldn't be talking about this.

But it happened FOR YEARS.

So we are.
- Scabeh

yes, what the icky Habs fan said..

people don't change easily..

new blog everyone

I don't know. I don't think it's irrelevant.. Maybe if it was an isolated incident. Over the course of two years, that seems like a pattern to me.
- PatC80

Agreed.

I'm sorry if I may sound overly judgemental about this kind of behavior but my brother was bullied quite alot throughout his teenage years, and he wasn't a disabled kid that couldn't defend himself.

Point is, after seeing the kid of impact these actions can have on a person, I'm not one to forgive such actions easily.

I don't know. I don't think it's irrelevant.. Maybe if it was an isolated incident. Over the course of two years, that seems like a pattern to me.
- PatC80

We might need Max to solve this in an elite way.

I'm sure he's a shrink as well...

Agreed.

I'm sorry if I may sound overly judgemental about this kind of behavior but my brother was bullied quite alot throughout his teenage years, and he wasn't a disabled kid that couldn't defend himself.

Point is, after seeing the kid of impact these actions can have on a person, I'm not one to forgive such actions easily.
- Scabeh

One of the things I'm proudest of, is that I stood up for quite a few bullied boys against bumholes. And most often those who did it were big losers themselves - either in sports or school in general. And they often came from troubled homes...

Calling another kid the N word, specially one with a disability, is NOT a mistake. It is a bad kid.

What the kid did was not a mistake, it was thought out...
- bixll

You think a 14 year old boy can put together a well thought out plan or course of action?!

Miller sent out 31 pre-draft letters explaining the situation and apologizing for it. Xavier Gutierrez, Arizona's team president and a member of the NHL's Executive Inclusion Council, deemed him an acceptable draftee.

You know what would be a great story? Mitchell Miller becoming a voice of tolerance and motivational speaker on the subject.

Kids do stupid poop when they're kids. People shouldn't be cancelled or be forced to don a scarlet letter forever for stupid or vile decisions they made as a youth.