No. Keith sure. If you're going strictly by age and his receding hairline then sure, Kane is past his prime.

His play says otherwise. He's coming off two of his best years from a pts perspective and is still way more than capable of driving a first or second line.

If I were Buffalo I wouldn't likely do that trade either, but if I'm Stanbo, that's in the neighborhood of what I'd accept...and I'm referring to the one Theo the blogger mentioned.
- HawkintheD

So you'd hold onto an aging superstar for nothing less than 5 former and future 1st round picks?

They wouldn't have to add sweetener to Keith. His contract is perfect for a team that is low on cash and he can still play NHL defense. His cap hit isn't high. He isn't at his peak, but there are teams that could use a guy like him in a heartbeat.
- breadbag

You'd swear some people who post just look at his age and figure he's toast. At last year's deadline these were some of the deals for dmen. If Gusto can get a 3rd, it's hilarious to think the Hawks wouldn't be able to get a 1st round pick.

Andy Greene (also 37 and not as good) for a 2nd
Dylan Demelo for a 3rd
Marco Scannella for a 2nd and 4th
Alec Martinez for two 2nd's
Gus for a 3rd
Brady Skjei for a 1st

So you'd hold onto an aging superstar for nothing less than 5 former and future 1st round picks?
- TheSabresTaco

Love your avi, but try reading what I posted again. Where did I say, if I was Chicago I wouldn't do that deal?

I also didn't say nothing less. I said that's in the neighborhood of what I'd want. From Buffalo, I'd at least want Cozens and their next two first rounders. Less than that...no thanks.

So you'd hold onto an aging superstar for nothing less than 5 former and future 1st round picks?
- TheSabresTaco

I can make 5 former 1st round picks work

Risto, Girgensons, Mittlestadt, Okposo and Reinhart

Sure it's like $42m in salary and most of them suck, but think about the draft pedigree the Hawks would be getting. It would be a steal for them

You'd swear some people who post just look at his age and figure he's toast. At last year's deadline these were some of the deals for dmen. If Gusto can get a 3rd, it's hilarious to think the Hawks wouldn't be able to get a 1st round pick.

Andy Greene (also 37 and not as good) for a 2nd
Dylan Demelo for a 3rd
Marco Scannella for a 2nd and 4th
Alec Martinez for two 2nd's
Gus for a 3rd
Brady Skjei for a 1st
- HawkintheD

This isn’t an apt comparison. Half of them were on expiring contracts so the teams didn’t have to worry about future cap hits. That adds value. The others cap hits were much smaller and in skjei case he is young and in his prime


So not one of those guys works as a comparison

Love your avi, but try reading what I posted again. Where did I say, if I was Chicago I wouldn't do that deal?

I also didn't say nothing less. I said that's in the neighborhood of what I'd want. Form Buffalo, I'd at least want Cozens and their next two first rounders. Less than that...no thanks.
- HawkintheD

Well what you said was, that's in the neighborhood of what you'd accept, as Stanbo. So I ask, why is that not seen as a massive overpayment from Buffalo? Wouldn't it be realistic and acceptable to accept less than 5 >24 yo first round talents?

And yes, tacos are life.

This isn’t an apt comparison. Half of them were on expiring contracts so the teams didn’t have to worry about future cap hits. That adds value. The others cap hits were much smaller and in skjei case he is young and in his prime


So not one of those guys works as a comparison
- ChrisMS

Maybe not but my original point still stands. Keith for a first isn't exactly a Twilight Zone trade which some people seem to be suggesting.

Well what you said was, that's in the neighborhood of what you'd accept, as Stanbo. So I ask, why is that not seen as a massive overpayment from Buffalo? Wouldn't it be realistic and acceptable to accept less than 5 >24 yo first round talents?

And yes, tacos are life.
- TheSabresTaco

There is absolutely no debating that point...agreed!

Like I said, if I'm BUF, no way would I do that deal. If I'm Stanbo, I'm not parting with Kane for anything other than an overpayment...if it's massive, even better.

If you're suggesting the 5 players the other guy suggested? Reinhart could be part of the deal, but the other four?

Stan says...No deal...he (frank)ing better anyway.

There is absolutely no debating that point...agreed!

Like I said, if I'm BUF, no way would I do that deal. If I'm Stanbo, I'm not parting with Kane for anything other than an overpayment...if it's massive, even better.

If you're suggesting the 5 players the other guy suggested? Reinhart could be part of the deal, but the other four?

Stan says...No deal...he (frank)ing better anyway.
- HawkintheD

I was joking about those guys.

This is my real proposal. No salary retention on any piece. Including Kane.


Reinhart, Ristolainen, Mittelstadt, Mattias Samuelsson, 2021 1st and 2022 3rd.

I think it's pretty fair

If you base the first bolded off of what he said in every interview, then it is exactly what he wants to do.

We have no idea what we have in our D prospects yet, until they get on the ice against the NHL. Hughes and Makar are dynamic, smart hockey players, but they both need to improve their defensive play. We've seen Boqvist play for 1/2 a year. Let's let our prospects actually develop.
- Chunk

maker and Hughs both looked like # 1's the 1st day on the ice. boquist got scratched after playing how many games. I still think he is good player just do not see a guy that small ever becoming #1. by all accounts we are middle of road prospect wise. how do we get into the top 5? drafting #7 every year will not do it. I think you want to keep 1-2 of the guys but you need to be open to moving any of them. if it makes you a cup contender in 3-4 years.

Theo, you're taking a beating and I won't pile on, but I will use the word you used - loony. There's a lot of loony in your proposals.

I had proposed a Chi/Buf trade a couple days ago (here or maybe another site?) which had Kane going to Buffalo and Okposo and Cozens coming back being the main pieces - with the proviso that additional details would need to be worked out. Okposo has a $6M cap hit for 3 more years and would essentially be in lieu of the Hawks retaining any of Kane's salary - so it would be a net $4.5M added to Buffalo's cap and subtracted from the Hawks cap. Cozens would essentially be the 1st round draft pick and he is already 2 years closer to the NHL than a 2021 pick would be. Plus he hasn't used any of his ELC years yet so he still has 3 or 4 years left depending if he slides again or not.

That would mean there is still one salary retention left for the Hawks to use to trade Toews where they could maximize the return by retaining 50%.

You'd swear some people who post just look at his age and figure he's toast. At last year's deadline these were some of the deals for dmen. If Gusto can get a 3rd, it's hilarious to think the Hawks wouldn't be able to get a 1st round pick.

Andy Greene (also 37 and not as good) for a 2nd
Dylan Demelo for a 3rd
Marco Scannella for a 2nd and 4th
Alec Martinez for two 2nd's
Gus for a 3rd
Brady Skjei for a 1st
- HawkintheD

I forgot the uninformed also read these threads. While age is a factor, more significantly it is the "term" of contracts like Keith's which impact their value. The trades you identified are all rentals, which always have a significantly inflated value. The further impact of the pandemic has also made movement of a player such as Keith impossible.

Theo likes the potential in Delia over the consistency which I suggest Laakinen brings. However both goaltenders need to stay sharp and that could be a problem.

If we did negotiate a bunch of first tound selections through such trades, MAYBE (?) there would be a goaltebder to snag. Even if taken just a tad early.

All the eggs are in one basket if you are waiting on the Commosensa kid.

Theo, nice work here sir. This is what a rebuild would look like and that's the point for me. The names, other than the core, in this exercise don't matter what matters is this is what a rebuild would look like.

I just don't do trade scenarios but do look at players and think he'd fit as a Blackhawk. The exception for me is Kane to Buffalo sometime, someday cuz he'd probably go there and Buffalo it seems, like any team, would welcome a 100 pt player who shows no signs of slowing down.

I do doubt the Hawks will get full fair value for Kane but Saad for Panarin shows it's possible. For me any deal with BUF starts with Cozens and a #1 and go from there. I'll always believe in Mittlestadt's incredible talent and would not mind rolling the dice on this kid.

Anyway, a Cozens or Mittlestadt is not gonna get BUF over the top this yr or next but with Kane coming on board good chance Hall would sign long term and along with Dahlin and Eichel that's a helluva 4 man core that will be effective for 5 yrs. A lot to like for a struggling BUF franchise.

The immediate fits for BUF and the futures/young players fit for the Hawks. That's why I can see something like this happening. Sure you gotta make the money fit for BUF and the compensation as I stated is not enough but IMO the parameters fit as does the logic for both organIzations.

Whelp, might as well throw my hat into the ring:

To Jets
Toews $5.25 retained
Carpenter

To Hawks
Lowry
Perreault
Perfetti (or Heinola & 2021 2nd)

To Panthers
Keith
Nylander

To Hawks
Anton Lundell (or Denisenko & 2021 1st)

***I wouldn’t trade Kane, but if I HAD to:

To Sabres
Kane

To Hawks
Reinhart
Risto
Quinn
2021 1st

To Flyers
Murphy

To Hawks
Frost or 1st 2021

Another proposal if Buffalo trade goes thru:

To Flyers
Risto

To Hawks
JVR
Frost
2021 1st

***After season, 2nd 2021 & 2nd 2022 to have Seattle choose Seabrook in expansion draft

I’ll now hang up and wait to be roasted 😬

Sorry Theo, the Cap police has to pull you over

1). Can only retain salary on up to 3 contracts, Hawks already have Saad and Matta retained

2) With Saad’s and Mattas combined cap hit of $1.75 million, even if you somehow skirt how many contracts you can retain dollars on, you are retaining an additional $12 mil. In salary, Hawks are only able to retain at most 15% of the cap, which is approximately $12.7 million.
- LAHawk

You Da Man, LA. Did not know you could only retain money on 3 contracts and 15% of the cap.

I'll openly admit I'm horrible at trade proposals and this blog showed it, haha!

Just have fun with it and I'll be back on the serious train with a new blog tomorrow.

Or perhaps a trade goes down today...just not any of the ones I suggested

Sportsman21
@NHL_News_Source
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Source: The Blackhawks are unlikely to trade Kane, Toews or Keith during their rebuild.

no idea who this is but this goes completely against what Stan wants to do. so basically we will be mid lottery for the next 3 years. you need to get mutiple #1's and and high end prospects to really rebuild. at this point we have no top pairing D in the prospect list and priobably 1 forward in Dach. Kubalik and CAt are fringe and need to see how they progress. if kubalik is 20 goal guy he is 3rd and if Cat is a 25 guy he is also a 3rd liner. mostly because they are AVG at best in the other aspects D, passing, skating, cycle, etc.
- kmw4631

I agree with you on Kubalik and ADB but you really don't know about #1 D pairing. Keep in mind Keith was a 2nd round draft pick.

You Da Man, LA. Did not know you could only retain money on 3 contracts and 15% of the cap.
- Mr Ricochet

Yes, thanks LAHawk for the tip on the 3 contract limit on money retention. Great to know.

Whelp, might as well throw my hat into the ring:

To Jets
Toews $5.25 retained
Carpenter

To Hawks
Lowry
Perreault
Perfetti (or Heinola & 2021 2nd)

To Panthers
Keith
Nylander

To Hawks
Anton Lundell (or Denisenko & 2021 1st)

***I wouldn’t trade Kane, but if I HAD to:

To Sabres
Kane

To Hawks
Reinhart
Risto
Quinn
2021 1st

To Flyers
Murphy

To Hawks
Frost or 1st 2021

Another proposal if Buffalo trade goes thru:

To Flyers
Risto

To Hawks
JVR
Frost
2021 1st

***After season, 2nd 2021 & 2nd 2022 to have Seattle choose Seabrook in expansion draft

I’ll now hang up and wait to be roasted 😬
- DrewDawg

So Seabs waives his NMC to move to the land of "never sunny?"

maker and Hughs both looked like # 1's the 1st day on the ice. boquist got scratched after playing how many games. I still think he is good player just do not see a guy that small ever becoming #1. by all accounts we are middle of road prospect wise. how do we get into the top 5? drafting #7 every year will not do it. I think you want to keep 1-2 of the guys but you need to be open to moving any of them. if it makes you a cup contender in 3-4 years.
- kmw4631

I'm not even saying that Boqvist is going to be the guy, but for comparison's sake, Makar and Hughes are both a year older (21) an both had two years in the NCAA.

Boqvist had a year in the OHL and a cup of coffee in the AHL. We have several high ceiling defenseman prospects, but they all have to develop. You can't just say "they're not as good as Hughes/Makar now, so they likely won't be".

Lastly, even with the worst record in the league, you only have an 18% chance of getting the #1 overall pick. Building a team is an organic process. It is very difficult to say anyone will be a contender in "X" years.

I forgot the uninformed also read these threads. While age is a factor, more significantly it is the "term" of contracts like Keith's which impact their value. The trades you identified are all rentals, which always have a significantly inflated value. The further impact of the pandemic has also made movement of a player such as Keith impossible.
- Jackie Daytona

The cash outlay for the last three years of Keith's deal are $2.65M, $2.1M and $1.5M respectively.

It's not like the Hawks are currently in Cap Hell and Keith's deal of the remaining Core is probably the most tradable.

I get the idea of trading rentals at the TDL inflates value, but you're original point was that it's ridiculous to think anyone would part with a first for him...which is ridiculous.

Last week there was talk about big news breaking on the team. Someone mentioned possible President named. Was the news the letter, or is there still some news that will break?

Last week there was talk about big news breaking on the team. Someone mentioned possible President named. Was the news the letter, or is there still some news that will break?
- powerenforcer

The news was the letter.

I was joking about those guys.

This is my real proposal. No salary retention on any piece. Including Kane.


Reinhart, Ristolainen, Mittelstadt, Mattias Samuelsson, 2021 1st and 2022 3rd.

I think it's pretty fair
- jcragcrumple

No worries. Was pretty clear your other proposal was a goof. The 2021 1st is a good start along with Cozens. That's where I'd want the basis of the deal to start.

Hawks don't have a need for Risto as he would just block the path of one of the dmen prospects which is what the Hawks are already dealing with. Don't know much about Samuelsson in terms of how he'd rate vs some of the current Hawk dmen prospects.