I agree. I don't think he's far away at all. I will blog about it or do a feature on the Flyers' site ahead of camp.
- bmeltzer

Can't wait to read it, sir.

Between Myers, Hart and Frost, I'm super optimistic about the Flyers' future.

Completely disagree. Laughton is a guy who you should pencil into your top 9. He is versatile, can play center or wing. He can play effectively in the majority of in game situations. He is always going to be a cost controlled player is exactly the kind of player that every top team needs.
- MJL

Pencil him in on the wing in the top 9 I can understand. Not as a center.
What is you definition of he will be a cost controlled player? He will need to be resigned; at what term and money would you pay him. He strikes me as the type of player who will get more term and money than he should.

I agree. I don't think he's far away at all. I will blog about it or do a feature on the Flyers' site ahead of camp.
- bmeltzer

I really expect a competitive training camp for the offense. I’m hoping AV really let’s Them have at it. Would love to see some snarl from this team, start the season flying out of the gate.

I really expect a competitive training camp for the offense. I’m hoping AV really let’s Them have at it. Would love to see some snarl from this team, start the season flying out of the gate.
- Angus4444

It should definitely help that it’s not a new coaching staff or entire system to learn.

Can't wait to read it, sir.

Between Myers, Hart and Frost, I'm super optimistic about the Flyers' future.
- Tomahawk

Yep

It was cute and in no way surprising, when a few months ago you shared you're still living with your parents.

Never change. A true leader for the demise of this board. You're talking to yourself, your ball washer, and a handful of people who decided to stay.

It's intriguing how the mods never put the hammer down. Wouldn't be anything to do with a family relation would it?


- FlyerFan3260

Decided to stay lol is that in reference to the HF boards migration? I checked it out on a couple separate occasions, both times it became a hard pass. Earlier this season they would speak of Ghost as a 65 point Dman that should never have been taken out of the lineup and then the playoffs it was all AVs fault (he did suck at the challenges though)

It was cute and in no way surprising, when a few months ago you shared you're still living with your parents.

Never change. A true leader for the demise of this board. You're talking to yourself, your ball washer, and a handful of people who decided to stay.

It's intriguing how the mods never put the hammer down. Wouldn't be anything to do with a family relation would it?


- FlyerFan3260

What is/are your other ID(s) here?

It was cute and in no way surprising, when a few months ago you shared you're still living with your parents.

Never change. A true leader for the demise of this board. You're talking to yourself, your ball washer, and a handful of people who decided to stay.

It's intriguing how the mods never put the hammer down. Wouldn't be anything to do with a family relation would it?


- FlyerFan3260

No, he said that his parents live with him, and that he goes to the basement after work because he is concerned about their contracting Covid because they have severe underlying medical issues. He has also said his work forces him to be with the public and he washes hands 100 times a day because of that.

I have had many differences with the esteemed gentleman about other issues. But anyone in today's age who takes on parental responsibilities when they are old and ailing and exercises this level of care and responsibility deserves to be lauded, not mocked.

Don't kid yourself that I am speaking about an exodus to a specific site. It's very much beyond that.

It makes me chuckle a little to see the same arrogant fool even today. Pathetic low life that can't handle someone having a different opinion, and needing to establish some form of internet superiority.

Keep at it, because this is the only safe haven you have. Wonder why that is?
- FlyerFan3260

Haha please read that back to yourself. You are coming off as such an arrogant D bag it’s laughable.

I really liked how competitive he was on both sides of the puck.

A few tweaks and adjustments and he'll be ready for show time.
- Tomahawk

I agree, why I said its time to give him more rope. Young players need to earn their ice time. We saw that with TK, SanHeim etc. Now that Frost has a year of the pro experience, as long as he comes to camp in great shape he deserves a chance to stick, to fail forward

Hockey Writers com has an article today that says the Pens are preparing to offer Haula a 3x 3M contract as he has refused lesser offers to date. Rumors are rumors. But if he is not the one year guy the Flyers need perhaps Soderberg would fit the bill as a cheaper option for that 3C insurance. He’s an older player but actually has been much more reliable health wise and consistently scores in double digits. Also can play wing and is probably a better defensive player than Haula.

Hockey Writers com has an article today that says the Pens are preparing to offer Haula a 3x 3M contract as he has refused lesser offers to date. Rumors are rumors. But if he is not the one year guy the Flyers need perhaps Soderberg would fit the bill as a cheaper option for that 3C insurance. He’s an older player but actually has been much more reliable health wise and consistently scores in double digits. Also can play wing and is probably a better defensive player than Haula.
- Djapana

yeah with the Flyers pipeline they need no part of that...

What is/are your other ID(s) here?
- Scoob

Where did you find that quote? I didn’t see it today.

No, he said that his parents live with him, and that he goes to the basement after work because he is concerned about their contracting Covid because they have severe underlying medical issues. He has also said his work forces him to be with the public and he washes hands 100 times a day because of that.

I have had many differences with the esteemed gentleman about other issues. But anyone in today's age who takes on parental responsibilities when they are old and ailing and exercises this level of care and responsibility deserves to be lauded, not mocked.
- PT21

I don’t know who this references, but I agree.

No, he said that his parents live with him, and that he goes to the basement after work because he is concerned about their contracting Covid because they have severe underlying medical issues. He has also said his work forces him to be with the public and he washes hands 100 times a day because of that.

I have had many differences with the esteemed gentleman about other issues. But anyone in today's age who takes on parental responsibilities when they are old and ailing and exercises this level of care and responsibility deserves to be lauded, not mocked.
- PT21

You and I may disagree on hockey and politics, but you have my absolute support here.

Hockey Writers com has an article today that says the Pens are preparing to offer Haula a 3x 3M contract as he has refused lesser offers to date. Rumors are rumors. But if he is not the one year guy the Flyers need perhaps Soderberg would fit the bill as a cheaper option for that 3C insurance. He’s an older player but actually has been much more reliable health wise and consistently scores in double digits. Also can play wing and is probably a better defensive player than Haula.
- Djapana

1) I don't think there are many players still on the UFA market who are realistically going to get a 3-year contract, especially in the current marketplace.

2). While teams can exceed the cap in the offseason by up to 10 percent, it's never a great spot to be in. Pittsburgh only has $1.318M of cap space available at present below the ceiling. Besides, didn't the Penguins supposedly have a cut-cutting directive?

3) Haula is coming off back-to-back seasons where he's missed considerable time due to injuries. He's not going to get a RAISE from where his last contract was ($2.75M) at the same term, especially in the current flat-cap marketplace. Few teams want to take on salary dumps and relying on LTIR is a formula for taking on cap penalties the next year (in a flat cap situation, no less).

Could the Pens sign Haula? Sure. For $3M cap at 3 years. No way.

Frost has to earn the spot not have it handed to him. If he comes into camp and earns the spot, then he plays. It's really that simple.
- MJL

MJ, I think I agree with this mostly. But, there's a major issue that complicates this and other rookies' situation: The coronavirus shutdown of the AHL. Since the league is predominantly a gate revenue league, keeping them shutdown would mean players like Frost and other bubble young guys become a major issue when they can't play unless they play in NHL games, or come up with some other solution. How do they develop if they're not in the NHL lineup and they're not playing in the AHL?

I've read somewhere here before an idea about creating a "B team" scenario where each NHL team brings their AHL team wherever they go and let them play before the NHL scheduled game. I'm not sure how else they do it and still maintain financial viability of the AHL teams that are likely to go under with no games.

It's a complicated problem.

MJ, I think I agree with this mostly. But, there's a major issue that complicates this and other rookies' situation: The coronavirus shutdown of the AHL. Since the league is predominantly a gate revenue league, keeping them shutdown would mean players like Frost and other bubble young guys become a major issue when they can't play unless they play in NHL games, or come up with some other solution. How do they develop if they're not in the NHL lineup and they're not playing in the AHL?

I've read somewhere here before an idea about creating a "B team" scenario where each NHL team brings their AHL team wherever they go and let them play before the NHL scheduled game. I'm not sure how else they do it and still maintain financial viability of the AHL teams that are likely to go under with no games.

It's a complicated problem.
- Letterkenney

Is there any chance there will be larger roster sizes for this season ?

Honestly though, your personal experience is a scream for askance about Patrick, quite the opposite of the perspective you suggest.

Consider the differences.

1. You have mentioned you were around 50, so you managed to get the migraines under control almost 30 years ago. Since then, medical knowledge has grown quite a bit. Patrick has had a history of migraines apparently in his youth personally (before this) as well in his family, and would have had access to much more medical resources and expertise than what you did (well before he joined the Flyers) Yet not only has he failed to control it, it is now progressed to the point it is career threatening.

2. You associate your migraines with concussions, and then say you are a successful musician (so hopefully no one has punched you after you bringing it under control for singing Bob Marley badly). Patrick is returning to a field where concussions are par for the course.

3. You associate your issues not just to concussions but cumulative trauma (7 concussions!). Patrick has never had any severe head hits here I can recall. But there are hundreds of little jolts, hits, bumps, shoves etc. that are part of Hockey. In other words, the accumulation will start to pile up soon once more.

I truly want the kid to recover and flourish. I also understand the allure of faith. But the facts are disconcerting, and for me, it does not look as though your personal history is reassuring at all.
- PT21

PT, who peed in your cornflakes this morning?

Is there any chance there will be larger roster sizes for this season ?
- ClaudeFather

CF, I have no idea. Other here, particularly Bill, would know more than I.

I really think unless you are going to add a top six upgrade you stay with your group. If Hoffman was your man, then you make room for him. On D it is a little different, you really need a 1-2 year stop gap. I guess you could say if they right center came along but what are the chances of that happening and checking all the boxes.

Going through the Bill's write up and the Athletic you can really see the depth, some of them are bound to hit. Yes, they are missing top end. Who knows maybe there is a G in there somewhere. Top end comes from getting lucky in draft, winning the lottery and it being the right draft. Beyond that it is a numbers game, keep picking well and keep hoping.

I really think unless you are going to add a top six upgrade you stay with your group. If Hoffman was your man, then you make room for him. On D it is a little different, you really need a 1-2 year stop gap. I guess you could say if they right center came along but what are the chances of that happening and checking all the boxes.

Going through the Bill's write up and the Athletic you can really see the depth, some of them are bound to hit. Yes, they are missing top end. Who knows maybe there is a G in there somewhere. Top end comes from getting lucky in draft, winning the lottery and it being the right draft. Beyond that it is a numbers game, keep picking well and keep hoping.
- wcorvette

They have players with potential to be top end players, but no surefire guarantees.
Frost could top out as a 25 goal, 70 point player and Forester, if he continues to improve his skating, could be a guy who puts up 35-40 goals in his prime.

I really think unless you are going to add a top six upgrade you stay with your group. If Hoffman was your man, then you make room for him. On D it is a little different, you really need a 1-2 year stop gap. I guess you could say if they right center came along but what are the chances of that happening and checking all the boxes.

Going through the Bill's write up and the Athletic you can really see the depth, some of them are bound to hit. Yes, they are missing top end. Who knows maybe there is a G in there somewhere. Top end comes from getting lucky in draft, winning the lottery and it being the right draft. Beyond that it is a numbers game, keep picking well and keep hoping.
- wcorvette

That’s why you take a shot on a guy like Laine when you have the chance imo. Aside from the fluke of getting Nolan Patrick the way the Flyers operate has them rarely picking in the top 10. The mindset of “build through the draft, but never allow ourselves to be a bottom team” just seems so odd to me.

They have players with potential to be top end players, but no surefire guarantees.
Frost could top out as a 25 goal, 70 point player and Forester, if he continues to improve his skating, could be a guy who puts up 35-40 goals in his prime.
- BiggE

I agree, he could hit G potential, probably just short. G has that compete level that is natural, haven't seen that in Frost but he can be a top 6, top line winger

They have players with potential to be top end players, but no surefire guarantees.
Frost could top out as a 25 goal, 70 point player and Forester, if he continues to improve his skating, could be a guy who puts up 35-40 goals in his prime.
- BiggE

I also think the folks they drafted in the Allison 2-3 year period, you will see some top 6 and top 9 forwards.