Pencil him in on the wing in the top 9 I can understand. Not as a center.
What is you definition of he will be a cost controlled player? He will need to be resigned; at what term and money would you pay him. He strikes me as the type of player who will get more term and money than he should.
- Striiker

I personally like Laughton better and think that he is a better player on the wing but part of his value as a player is his versatility. He can also play center. In my opinion, Laughton will always be a player with a 3rd line value contract. He'll likely never put up enough points to get into a higher salary level with the lack of PP time.

Honestly though, your personal experience is a scream for askance about Patrick, quite the opposite of the perspective you suggest.

Consider the differences.

1. You have mentioned you were around 50, so you managed to get the migraines under control almost 30 years ago. Since then, medical knowledge has grown quite a bit. Patrick has had a history of migraines apparently in his youth personally (before this) as well in his family, and would have had access to much more medical resources and expertise than what you did (well before he joined the Flyers) Yet not only has he failed to control it, it is now progressed to the point it is career threatening.

2. You associate your migraines with concussions, and then say you are a successful musician (so hopefully no one has punched you after you bringing it under control for singing Bob Marley badly). Patrick is returning to a field where concussions are par for the course.

3. You associate your issues not just to concussions but cumulative trauma (7 concussions!). Patrick has never had any severe head hits here I can recall. But there are hundreds of little jolts, hits, bumps, shoves etc. that are part of Hockey. In other words, the accumulation will start to pile up soon once more.

I truly want the kid to recover and flourish. I also understand the allure of faith. But the facts are disconcerting, and for me, it does not look as though your personal history is reassuring at all.
- PT21

Patrick having history of migraines in childhood is false. Didn’t and haven’t seen 1 report of that predraft. Team lied to cover for concussion. Don’t just believe me or team. Do some research. Nowhere is there any mention of migraines.

MJ, I think I agree with this mostly. But, there's a major issue that complicates this and other rookies' situation: The coronavirus shutdown of the AHL. Since the league is predominantly a gate revenue league, keeping them shutdown would mean players like Frost and other bubble young guys become a major issue when they can't play unless they play in NHL games, or come up with some other solution. How do they develop if they're not in the NHL lineup and they're not playing in the AHL?

I've read somewhere here before an idea about creating a "B team" scenario where each NHL team brings their AHL team wherever they go and let them play before the NHL scheduled game. I'm not sure how else they do it and still maintain financial viability of the AHL teams that are likely to go under with no games.

It's a complicated problem.
- Letterkenney

I agree completely. Players like Frost have already missed considerable playing time. No doubt that it certainly doesn't help. There's a lot we don't know about the upcoming season. Will roster be expanded? How will coaches handle that? The season may be drastically condensed. How much practice time will there be? Many unknowns at this point.

I really think unless you are going to add a top six upgrade you stay with your group. If Hoffman was your man, then you make room for him. On D it is a little different, you really need a 1-2 year stop gap. I guess you could say if they right center came along but what are the chances of that happening and checking all the boxes.

Going through the Bill's write up and the Athletic you can really see the depth, some of them are bound to hit. Yes, they are missing top end. Who knows maybe there is a G in there somewhere. Top end comes from getting lucky in draft, winning the lottery and it being the right draft. Beyond that it is a numbers game, keep picking well and keep hoping.
- wcorvette

I don't want the Flyers to do anything like that. Let the kids play. If you sign Hoffman, then it takes away a spot from someone. Unless we can unload JVR, which isn't happening. I think the Flyers have a number of players who can hit top end.

Patrick did take some significant hits. IDK why some suggest he didn’t. This is the first one that comes to mind and in listening to the video. Clement refers to a hit the night before this.

https://youtu.be/b8ztLI484dE

Patrick did take some significant hits. IDK why some suggest he didn’t. This is the first one that comes to mind and in listening to the video. Clement refers to a hit the night before this.

https://youtu.be/b8ztLI484dE
- NC Flyers Fan

They suggest he didn’t because they’re sheep. Nopa has clearly taken numerous shots to the head. He’s probably been playing with concussion on top of concussion. Til he had the Crosby effects. Hopefully he’s over it.

Patrick having history of migraines in childhood is false. Didn’t and haven’t seen 1 report of that predraft. Team lied to cover for concussion. Don’t just believe me or team. Do some research. Nowhere is there any mention of migraines.
- SMS4016

Fair enough. I did a search for Nolan Patrick and migraines for the period before April 1, 2018 and found 0 hits.

Paradoxically enough, this might strengthen MBFF's optimism, though for the wrong reasons. If it has nothing to do with migraines and is concussion related, well others have managed to come back from it. We discussed Crosby, Bergeron in the past. If he is very careful, and fortunate, and is now evaluated very carefully anytime there is an issue, it is possible it won't "pile up" like perhaps it did to cause problems.

They suggest he didn’t because they’re sheep. Nopa has clearly taken numerous shots to the head. He’s probably been playing with concussion on top of concussion. Til he had the Crosby effects. Hopefully he’s over it.
- SMS4016

Who are "they"?

Who are these "they" that say Patrick hasn't taken some big hits?

Who are "they"?

Who are these "they" that say Patrick hasn't taken some big hits?
- MBFlyerfan

Probably the same they who like to diagnose players ailments without any firsthand knowledge or a medical degree.

Who are "they"?

Who are these "they" that say Patrick hasn't taken some big hits?
- MBFlyerfan

I did. I just did not remember anything severe enough during his Flyers stay.

Who are "they"?

Who are these "they" that say Patrick hasn't taken some big hits?
- MBFlyerfan

“They” refers to anyone that thinks nopa hasn’t taken head shots. Someone posted video clearly showing head first into boards. He’s taken numerous shots like this just with flyers. Idk why people think his migraines were from condition from childhood. It’s clearly concussion related. Not being argumentative but I challenge anyone to produce just 1 article showing anywhere we here nopa sufferered from migraines predraft. I know I’ve searched forever and can’t find 1. Possible #1 pick would’ve definitely come up in predraft reports if it were true. Maybe bill could show link to article if there was one.

I don't want the Flyers to do anything like that. Let the kids play. If you sign Hoffman, then it takes away a spot from someone. Unless we can unload JVR, which isn't happening. I think the Flyers have a number of players who can hit top end.
- MJL

There is a strong case to stand pat. What players do you think will hit top end?

“They” refers to anyone that thinks nopa hasn’t taken head shots. Someone posted video clearly showing head first into boards. He’s taken numerous shots like this just with flyers. Idk why people think his migraines were from condition from childhood. It’s clearly concussion related. Not being argumentative but I challenge anyone to produce just 1 article showing anywhere we here nopa sufferered from migraines predraft. I know I’ve searched forever and can’t find 1. Possible #1 pick would’ve definitely come up in predraft reports if it were true. Maybe bill could show link to article if there was one.
- SMS4016

This took me 3 seconds to find

https://www.sportstalkphilly.com/2020/07/high-expectations.html#:~:text=It's%20not%20a%20concussion%2C%20according,minor%20hockey%2C%20in%20junior%20hockey.&text=It's%20been%20periodic%20migraines%20and,concerned%20and%20we%20were%20concerned.

" It's not a concussion, according to the doctors. Nolan does have a history of migraines, going back to when he was younger -- he had some in minor hockey, in junior hockey. There's a family history, as well. I think at this point; he feels relieved to know what it is. It's been periodic migraines and cluster headaches throughout the summer and I think he was concerned and we were concerned. "

https://www.theintell.com...ed-with-migraine-disorder

"“Nolan does have a history of migraines,″ Fletcher said. “Going back to when he was younger. I think at this point he’s relieved to know what it is. The doctor feels there’s a regimen they can put him on and with medication we can control the situation. And we’re hopeful.″

Despite all the info from the professional youtube doctors here (with a side of gambling), I found this article talking with an actual expert, which was interesting. Talks a little about how physical activity and contact can be a trigger but not a cause of migraines.



https://www.phillyvoice.c...efferson-headache-center/

That’s why you take a shot on a guy like Laine when you have the chance imo. Aside from the fluke of getting Nolan Patrick the way the Flyers operate has them rarely picking in the top 10. The mindset of “build through the draft, but never allow ourselves to be a bottom team” just seems so odd to me.
- hereticpride

Idk, I would not want to be buffalo or Edmonton, tanking does not guarantee anything. We have been a playoff bubble team for almost a decade now but things have started to turn a corner.

That’s why you take a shot on a guy like Laine when you have the chance imo. Aside from the fluke of getting Nolan Patrick the way the Flyers operate has them rarely picking in the top 10. The mindset of “build through the draft, but never allow ourselves to be a bottom team” just seems so odd to me.
- hereticpride

In my opinion anyone who think they should take a shot at Laine to build the team around is badly misguided. I would never support the team I root for to purposely lose to get a higher draft pick. I want no part of that.

Posters are talking about the Flyers not having enough top end. Possibly right now but if we're talking about building through the draft, which is an ongoing process, we need to speculate a little. I'll go out on a limb and state that I think that 2-3 years from now, Frost will be leading the team in scoring.

So maybe we'll see something like this. Top be clear, this is pure speculation and anyone making an argument that some of it wont happen, can't be proven wrong.

In the future I can see young players scoring in this range. Give or take.

Frost 20 goals, 50 assists 70 points
Konecny 30 goals 40 assists 70 points
Farabee 25 goals 30 assists 55 points
Lindblom 20 goals 25 assists 45 points.

Then you have the scoring of Giroux, Couturier, Voracek and Hayes.

This is just the forwards. Seems like potentially plenty of offense to me.

bill, re ratcliff, he needs some mentoring from kevin hayes

I am astounded by the posters on this board. Guess not surprised though.
- Striiker

I am not saying I agree with playing Frost in the playoffs, too much risk of hurting his future confidence imo However I agree that posters on this board are of the bully mentality and tend to gang up on people. Hence my lack of comments on this board. Positive comments can get thrased if you not part of the gang. They all know who they are and personally I can match any one of them with Flyer or nhl knowledge but don't even bother, every team board has the same six bullies that make this site more for reading the EK bs and not bother commenting. Have a good day

This took me 3 seconds to find

https://www.sportstalkphilly.com/2020/07/high-expectations.html#:~:text=It's%20not%20a%20concussion%2C%20according,minor%20hockey%2C%20in%20junior%20hockey.&text=It's%20been%20periodic%20migraines%20and,concerned%20and%20we%20were%20concerned.

" It's not a concussion, according to the doctors. Nolan does have a history of migraines, going back to when he was younger -- he had some in minor hockey, in junior hockey. There's a family history, as well. I think at this point; he feels relieved to know what it is. It's been periodic migraines and cluster headaches throughout the summer and I think he was concerned and we were concerned. "

https://www.theintell.com...ed-with-migraine-disorder

"“Nolan does have a history of migraines,″ Fletcher said. “Going back to when he was younger. I think at this point he’s relieved to know what it is. The doctor feels there’s a regimen they can put him on and with medication we can control the situation. And we’re hopeful.″
- MJL

Per usual. You can’t comprehend. Your 3 second search turned up article propaganda saying doctors “says” history. Flyers doctors or flyers related doctors. Again because you can’t comprehend. SHOW A REPORT OR LINK TO ARTICLE PRE DRAFT ABOUT NOPA AND MIGRAINES. not while with flyers. Or after 2017. Another words 17-18 years (age) of nopa. There are none. Stop trying to peddle oh this doctor says there’s a “history”. Find an actual article. I’m sure bill will even tell you there are none. Or he would’ve sourced it already.


Also yes it’s been stated many times by this gambler and professional migraine sufferer that exercise can trigger migraines from time to time. But of course simple mjl leaves out the part that “the professional “ gambler also stated there’s no way those triggers all of a sudden keep a healthy trained young professional athlete out of action for well over a year WITHOUT and that’s key WITHOUT a TRAUMA. No way. Name any athlete WITHOUT trauma (usually a concussion ) who has missed well over a year of action due to migraines alone In any sport? None is the answer.

Per usual. You can’t comprehend. Your 3 second search turned up article propaganda saying doctors “says” history. Flyers doctors or flyers related doctors. Again because you can’t comprehend. SHOW A REPORT OR LINK TO ARTICLE PRE DRAFT ABOUT NOPA AND MIGRAINES. not while with flyers. Or after 2017. Another words 17-18 years (age) of nopa. There are none. Stop trying to peddle oh this doctor says there’s a “history”. Find an actual article. I’m sure bill will even tell you there are none. Or he would’ve sourced it already.


Also yes it’s been stated many times by this gambler and professional migraine sufferer that exercise can trigger migraines from time to time. But of course simple mjl leaves out the part that “the professional “ gambler also stated there’s no way those triggers all of a sudden keep a healthy trained young professional athlete out of action for well over a year WITHOUT and that’s key WITHOUT a TRAUMA. No way. Name any athlete WITHOUT trauma (usually a concussion ) who has missed well over a year of action due to migraines alone In any sport? None is the answer.
- SMS4016

Why would the Flyers lie? What difference would it make? Concussion or migraines it doesn’t matter the kid is trying to get better and play the game he loves.

Why would the Flyers lie? What difference would it make? Concussion or migraines it doesn’t matter the kid is trying to get better and play the game he loves.
- flyav

We have already been over this...concussions can trigger migraines. Even after a concussion has healed, a person with chronic migraines can be left to deal with those.
Since everyone is different and medical knowledge has gotten better, recounting of our own experiences isn’t helpful to gauge his progress. Also since we have no actual medical history direct from the source along with treatment plans and updates, it is really silly to speculate.

I am going to wait for his comeback until Nolan Patrick himself says otherwise. I think we all wish the kid the best.

Per usual. You can’t comprehend. Your 3 second search turned up article propaganda saying doctors “says” history. Flyers doctors or flyers related doctors. Again because you can’t comprehend. SHOW A REPORT OR LINK TO ARTICLE PRE DRAFT ABOUT NOPA AND MIGRAINES. not while with flyers. Or after 2017. Another words 17-18 years (age) of nopa. There are none. Stop trying to peddle oh this doctor says there’s a “history”. Find an actual article. I’m sure bill will even tell you there are none. Or he would’ve sourced it already.


Also yes it’s been stated many times by this gambler and professional migraine sufferer that exercise can trigger migraines from time to time. But of course simple mjl leaves out the part that “the professional “ gambler also stated there’s no way those triggers all of a sudden keep a healthy trained young professional athlete out of action for well over a year WITHOUT and that’s key WITHOUT a TRAUMA. No way. Name any athlete WITHOUT trauma (usually a concussion ) who has missed well over a year of action due to migraines alone In any sport? None is the answer.
- SMS4016

This is why you're normally ignored. Here are your words

" Not being argumentative but I challenge anyone to produce just 1 article showing anywhere we here nopa sufferered from migraines predraft"

. SHOW A REPORT OR LINK TO ARTICLE PRE DRAFT ABOUT NOPA AND MIGRAINES. not while with flyers. Or after 2017. Another words 17-18 years (age) of nopa. There are none. Stop trying to peddle oh this doctor says there’s a “history”. Find an actual article.
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- SMS4016

HIPAA

HIPAA
- KINGKENZO

Of course. Our resident youtube physician/gambler wants someone to produce a medical report I guess. His ignorance is astounding.