Posters are talking about the Flyers not having enough top end. Possibly right now but if we're talking about building through the draft, which is an ongoing process, we need to speculate a little. I'll go out on a limb and state that I think that 2-3 years from now, Frost will be leading the team in scoring.

So maybe we'll see something like this. Top be clear, this is pure speculation and anyone making an argument that some of it wont happen, can't be proven wrong.

In the future I can see young players scoring in this range. Give or take.

Frost 20 goals, 50 assists 70 points
Konecny 30 goals 40 assists 70 points
Farabee 25 goals 30 assists 55 points
Lindblom 20 goals 25 assists 45 points.

Then you have the scoring of Giroux, Couturier, Voracek and Hayes.

This is just the forwards. Seems like potentially plenty of offense to me.
- MJL

This was my hopes/thoughts/estimates as well for those 4.

This was my hopes/thoughts/estimates as well for those 4.
- Hesh_

I think it is very conservative. Which is fine...give or take. It proves the point still.

Posters are talking about the Flyers not having enough top end. Possibly right now but if we're talking about building through the draft, which is an ongoing process, we need to speculate a little. I'll go out on a limb and state that I think that 2-3 years from now, Frost will be leading the team in scoring.

So maybe we'll see something like this. Top be clear, this is pure speculation and anyone making an argument that some of it wont happen, can't be proven wrong.

In the future I can see young players scoring in this range. Give or take.

Frost 20 goals, 50 assists 70 points
Konecny 30 goals 40 assists 70 points
Farabee 25 goals 30 assists 55 points
Lindblom 20 goals 25 assists 45 points.

Then you have the scoring of Giroux, Couturier, Voracek and Hayes.

This is just the forwards. Seems like potentially plenty of offense to me.
- MJL

I don’t have the same optimism for Frost so quickly. I think we traded Schenn just over three years ago now and still waiting for things to shape out in that deal. Should Morgan Frost be the next Giroux where we take a young guy late in the first round and becomes the face of our franchise, that’s being struck by lightning twice, unless you can think of other examples.

Most teams (not all) really bottomed out and managed to get a first overall franchise player before becoming a contender. If Frost can be Giroux in his prime or Barzel today, we might be one of the luckiest teams in the nhl to not truly hit rock bottom for years before climbing back to the top.

This was my hopes/thoughts/estimates as well for those 4.
- Hesh_

It would be nice to raise the bar a little and find a 40 goal scorer.

Per usual. You can’t comprehend. Your 3 second search turned up article propaganda saying doctors “says” history. Flyers doctors or flyers related doctors. Again because you can’t comprehend. SHOW A REPORT OR LINK TO ARTICLE PRE DRAFT ABOUT NOPA AND MIGRAINES. not while with flyers. Or after 2017. Another words 17-18 years (age) of nopa. There are none. Stop trying to peddle oh this doctor says there’s a “history”. Find an actual article. I’m sure bill will even tell you there are none. Or he would’ve sourced it already.


Also yes it’s been stated many times by this gambler and professional migraine sufferer that exercise can trigger migraines from time to time. But of course simple mjl leaves out the part that “the professional “ gambler also stated there’s no way those triggers all of a sudden keep a healthy trained young professional athlete out of action for well over a year WITHOUT and that’s key WITHOUT a TRAUMA. No way. Name any athlete WITHOUT trauma (usually a concussion ) who has missed well over a year of action due to migraines alone In any sport? None is the answer.
- SMS4016

propaganda

HIPAA
- KINGKENZO

Come on. If HIPAA were the factor, then we would never know anything about any athlete's ailment. We would not know about Oscar's cancer and Max Domi's diabetes and so on. Such news leaks out, usually from the player's camp. It is espcially hard to contain when a player is coming from the juniors, because he needs to divulge it to all drafting teams, which means a wide circle of possible leakers.

What Swami was saying is this: produce a report BEFORE his current injury/ailment that mentioned NoPa's migraines in his youth. Because the current explanation by the Flyers is retroactive repackaging of his issues.

You may agree or disagree, but there are no reports whatsoever of this issue in the time period in question.

As such, his belief cannot be refuted by evidence.

I think it is very conservative. Which is fine...give or take. It proves the point still.
- NC Flyers Fan

Is hope technically a point that can be proved?

Come on. If HIPAA were the factor, then we would never know anything about any athlete's ailment. We would not know about Oscar's cancer and Max Domi's diabetes and so on. Such news leaks out, usually from the player's camp. It is espcially hard to contain when a player is coming from the juniors, because he needs to divulge it to all drafting teams, which means a wide circle of possible leakers.

What Swami was saying is this: produce a report BEFORE his current injury/ailment that mentioned NoPa's migraines in his youth. Because the current explanation by the Flyers is retroactive repackaging of his issues.

You may agree or disagree, but there are no reports whatsoever of this issue in the time period in question.

As such, his belief cannot be refuted by evidence.
- PT21

he can believe whatever he wants, but just because he gets migraines sometimes doesn't make him an expert on anything this kid is dealing with. no matter how many times he tries to act like he is. he's also been rooting for him to not ever play again for months now. super weird.

he can believe whatever he wants, but just because he gets migraines sometimes doesn't make him an expert on anything this kid is dealing with. no matter how many times he tries to act like he is. he's also been rooting for him to not ever play again for months now. super weird.
- Ftown19125

I don't recall him claiming to be an expert. I also don't recall him rooting against the kid to play - that's stupid. He is delivering his guesses with a certain flamboyance, which is the way he always does.

The point is this - ignoring his cocky manner, there is no logical evidence to shoot his claim down. I don't like conspiracy theories, but usually they can be shot down pretty easily. This one is harder to shoot down, afaik.

I don't recall him claiming to be an expert. I also don't recall him rooting against the kid to play - that's stupid. He is delivering his guesses with a certain flamboyance, which is the way he always does.

The point is this - ignoring his cocky manner, there is no logical evidence to shoot his claim down. I don't like conspiracy theories, but usually they can be shot down pretty easily. This one is harder to shoot down, afaik.
- PT21

right. so referring to him as fake migraine boy and the other insults he's used towards Patrick, he's been hoping the entire time he comes back and plays. got it.

he also has certainly tried to play off that because he has dealt with migraines that he is credible in describing what Patrick is going through and his likelihood of playing in the future.

you call it delivering it with a certain flamboyance, I call it being an idiot.

Come on. If HIPAA were the factor, then we would never know anything about any athlete's ailment. We would not know about Oscar's cancer and Max Domi's diabetes and so on. Such news leaks out, usually from the player's camp. It is espcially hard to contain when a player is coming from the juniors, because he needs to divulge it to all drafting teams, which means a wide circle of possible leakers.

What Swami was saying is this: produce a report BEFORE his current injury/ailment that mentioned NoPa's migraines in his youth. Because the current explanation by the Flyers is retroactive repackaging of his issues.

You may agree or disagree, but there are no reports whatsoever of this issue in the time period in question.

As such, his belief cannot be refuted by evidence.
- PT21

I was specifically speaking about the situation that you felt to need to bold. It is absolutely a factor. Medical information can not be released without consent. His records were released with permission during the scouting process. This explains why the Flyers and other teams were aware of a preexisting condition. An individual's medical records are not public knowledge, therefore, wouldnt be know to a jounalist unless somebody violated HIPAA.
Oskar's situation isnt comparable.

I am on record for saying I believe NP's condition is more PCS related than the organization has let on to.

Here's an article explaining the difference:

https://deadspin.com/do-h...ly-to-athletes-1844195531

I was specifically speaking about the situation that you felt to need to bold. It is absolutely a factor. Medical information can not be released without consent. His records were released with permission during the scouting process. This explains why the Flyers and other teams were aware of a preexisting condition. An individual's medical records are not public knowledge, therefore, wouldnt be know to a jounalist unless somebody violated HIPAA.
Oskar's situation isnt comparable.

I am on record for saying I believe NP's condition is more PCS related than the organization has let on to
- KINGKENZO

I am very aware what HIPAA rules are.

But the point is this: if it affected him before this in juniors, it is likely that his coach,teammates, friends, family, girlfriend etc knew about it. Since having migraines carries no social stigma, usually you will see a player be upfront about something like that and it will become public knowledge. If he doesnt address it, and it is indeed relevant, it will distort scouting and press reports and predraft rankings of various parties.

Does this mean that it is impossible he had migraines? No, just that it would be unusual. Think of all the athletes you know. How many of them had a relevant history of health conditions that emerged after their pro careers began in the modern age? Everything from heart ailments to pneumonia to family history of cancer is discussed in the press. Because it is in the players interest to waive HIPAA.

right. so referring to him as fake migraine boy and the other insults he's used towards Patrick, he's been hoping the entire time he comes back and plays. got it.

he also has certainly tried to play off that because he has dealt with migraines that he is credible in describing what Patrick is going through and his likelihood of playing in the future.

you call it delivering it with a certain flamboyance, I call it being an idiot.
- Ftown19125

I dont see your logic. Zillions of people call DeSean Jackson a pansy for getting injured so often. Does that imply they dont want him to play?

Anyway, I am not the guy's advocate. There is a new blob for some time now.

I dont see your logic. Zillions of people call DeSean Jackson a pansy for getting injured so often. Does that imply they dont want him to play?

Anyway, I am not the guy's advocate. There is a new blob for some time now.
- PT21

you come here basically every day and see this guy's comments. if you don't think he's relishing in the fact that Patrick's career could be in jeopardy, then I don't know what to tell you.

you come here basically every day and see this guy's comments. if you don't think he's relishing in the fact that Patrick's career could be in jeopardy, then I don't know what to tell you.
- Ftown19125

I agree, its always been my impression he is not only rooting against the kid but actively hates him for some reason.

Come on. If HIPAA were the factor, then we would never know anything about any athlete's ailment. We would not know about Oscar's cancer and Max Domi's diabetes and so on. Such news leaks out, usually from the player's camp. It is espcially hard to contain when a player is coming from the juniors, because he needs to divulge it to all drafting teams, which means a wide circle of possible leakers.

What Swami was saying is this: produce a report BEFORE his current injury/ailment that mentioned NoPa's migraines in his youth. Because the current explanation by the Flyers is retroactive repackaging of his issues.

You may agree or disagree, but there are no reports whatsoever of this issue in the time period in question.

As such, his belief cannot be refuted by evidence.
- PT21

Come on and think about this logically. There is a drastic difference between revealing and talking about a hockey related injury that the player is currently faced with versus revealing medical issues from the players past that at the time, at the draft, were not occurring. That would absolutely fall under HIPPA laws. There is no mention of it at the time of the draft for those very reasons. I agree that in many cases, a players medical condition leaks out but that's not 100% and it's certainly not evidence that the Flyers are lying about his condition and the cause of it. It's circumstantial.

Now let's look at the youtube doctors premise of the Flyers and the doctors are lying about Patrick's condition and it has nothing to do with migraines. His entire body of evidence, LOL is that we can't find an article reporting it at the time of the draft. Can't get any thinner than that. If you want to hitch your wagon to that, be my guest but it doesn't make you sound very intelligent.

you come here basically every day and see this guy's comments. if you don't think he's relishing in the fact that Patrick's career could be in jeopardy, then I don't know what to tell you.
- Ftown19125

I see the dude's relish being derived from pointing out of the conspiracy rather than an underlying ill wish.

Anyway!

More to the general point, I hope those of you who wish that there is no conspiracy, that there was indeed a personal history of migraine with NP, understand what you are wishing for.

Because if that is indeed the case, and he was aware of an underlying issue, and presumably then following protocol, and yet was unable to prevent this debacle, that would sharply lower the chances of him being able to come back. His chances of coming back would be much higher if this is the first time he is observing protocol (assuming that it is indeed migraines that is playing a significant role here).

I see the dude's relish being derived from pointing out of the conspiracy rather than an underlying ill wish.

Anyway!

More to the general point, I hope those of you who wish that there is no conspiracy, that there was indeed a personal history of migraine with NP, understand what you are wishing for.

Because if that is indeed the case, and he was aware of an underlying issue, and presumably then following protocol, and yet was unable to prevent this debacle, that would sharply lower the chances of him being able to come back. His chances of coming back would be much higher if this is the first time he is observing protocol (assuming that it is indeed migraines that is playing a significant role here).
- PT21

not sure why you're saying "those of you" and lumping me in with anyone. I don't know if there's a conspiracy, and I don't care. I just hope that NP is ready to go for next season. that's it. I don't know what the flyers knew or didn't know, and I don't presume to. I hope the kid gets better and he can help the team move forward next season.

I don't recall him claiming to be an expert. I also don't recall him rooting against the kid to play - that's stupid. He is delivering his guesses with a certain flamboyance, which is the way he always does.

The point is this - ignoring his cocky manner, there is no logical evidence to shoot his claim down. I don't like conspiracy theories, but usually they can be shot down pretty easily. This one is harder to shoot down, afaik.
- PT21

He's not guessing. He's flat out stating that the team and the doctors are lying about his condition. With zero evidence. You're not using logic.

not sure why you're saying "those of you" and lumping me in with anyone. I don't know if there's a conspiracy, and I don't care. I just hope that NP is ready to go for next season. that's it. I don't know what the flyers knew or didn't know, and I don't presume to. I hope the kid gets better and he can help the team move forward next season.
- Ftown19125

I said those of 'you' because this was a public reply. Chill.

Is hope technically a point that can be proved?
- PT21

It certainly cannot be disproven. What a person bases their projections on is solid facts of the past and the lessons learned. Since each player is an individual, no comparable is an exact match and illness/injuries are mostly unpredictable.

You may be sad to learn based on our last argument...I’m working on a project to view my own subjective analysis in complete hindsight of the past cup contenders and cup winners with a star player focus. It will take me some weeks. If it changes anything for me in the “Hope” category, I’ll let you know.

I agree, its always been my impression he is not only rooting against the kid but actively hates him for some reason.
- MBFlyerfan

exactly, and I've seen you call him out for it.

but apparently this is all in our imagination because that isn't what he's doing. please.

I am very aware what HIPAA rules are.

But the point is this: if it affected him before this in juniors, it is likely that his coach,teammates, friends, family, girlfriend etc knew about it. Since having migraines carries no social stigma, usually you will see a player be upfront about something like that and it will become public knowledge. If he doesnt address it, and it is indeed relevant, it will distort scouting and press reports and predraft rankings of various parties.

Does this mean that it is impossible he had migraines? No, just that it would be unusual. Think of all the athletes you know. How many of them had a relevant history of health conditions that emerged after their pro careers began in the modern age? Everything from heart ailments to pneumonia to family history of cancer is discussed in the press. Because it is in the players interest to waive HIPAA.
- PT21

If at the time of the draft, his migraine issues were not prevalent and it was an issue in the past, why would the player b upfront about it if it was considered to be a past issue and not present? It wouldn't be unusual at all.

I see the dude's relish being derived from pointing out of the conspiracy rather than an underlying ill wish.

Anyway!

More to the general point, I hope those of you who wish that there is no conspiracy, that there was indeed a personal history of migraine with NP, understand what you are wishing for.

Because if that is indeed the case, and he was aware of an underlying issue, and presumably then following protocol, and yet was unable to prevent this debacle, that would sharply lower the chances of him being able to come back. His chances of coming back would be much higher if this is the first time he is observing protocol (assuming that it is indeed migraines that is playing a significant role here).
- PT21

That's asinine and completely false. It has no relevance on his chances to come back. Treating and managing the condition is all that is relevant.

exactly, and I've seen you call him out for it.

but apparently this is all in our imagination because that isn't what he's doing. please.
- Ftown19125

Only with PT21's ignorance is the burden of proof put not on the person who is claiming that the team has lied about the players condition and cause but on those who take the teams word on the condition. It's up to others to disprove his premise that the team lied about it and not on the person claiming the team lied.