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belcherbd
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Nanaimo
Joined: 02.16.2007

Oct 27 @ 5:31 PM ET
Not in the slightest. I just find it funny that now that they are not Canucks, they are crappy players. Most people in here had them ranked based on importance of re-signing.
- Marwood


dbot
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Auckland -Burn it all down
Joined: 10.22.2008

Oct 27 @ 5:32 PM ET
Not in the slightest. I just find it funny that now that they are not Canucks, they are crappy players. Most people in here had them ranked based on importance of re-signing.
- Marwood


Alternatively, Calgary fans now think highly of Markstrom, Tanev, etc, now that they've been signed by them.

funny how that works
CoolerHeads
Joined: 07.04.2015

Oct 27 @ 5:32 PM ET
Benning ---> Cody Glass ---> Matt Sekeres ---> Kevin Bacon

Fixed
NewYorkNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 07.11.2015

Oct 27 @ 5:33 PM ET
So, now Markstrom, Tanev, Toffoli & Leivo are "crappy players".

He's taking a lot of heat for maxing out his cap on crappy bottom 6 players who are good in the room.

- Marwood


No, that's not what I meant (or said they were all crappy, but thanks for spinning it that way), they're anywhere from replacement to great players.

I think most people here agree the one person that he was held back on was Toffoli, and that's as he knew the Schmidt deal was happening.

He wasn't going to – and shouldn't have – match Marky and Tanev. Stetch is a replaceable player. Leivo, as much as I wanted him, is a replaceable player that actively chose to play in Calgary over Van when offered the same contract. Now people are questioning why JB didn't give Fatty a contract.... as if the cap was holding them back, as well as every other GM in the NHL.
dbot
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Auckland -Burn it all down
Joined: 10.22.2008

Oct 27 @ 5:35 PM ET
No, they're anywhere from replacement to great players.

I think most people here agree the one person that he was held back on was Toffoli, and that's as he knew the Schmidt deal was happening.

He wasn't going to – and shouldn't have – match Marky and Tanev. Stetch is a replaceable player. Leivo, as much as I wanted him, is a replaceable player that actively chose to play in Calgary over Van when offered the same contract. Now people are questioning why JB didn't give Fatty a contract.... as if the cap was holding them back, as well as every other GM in the NHL.

- NewYorkNuck


That fact that JB didn't foresee the global pandemic, economic recession and flat cap blows my mind.
Poor planning really.
We need to hire a real capologist.
belcherbd
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Nanaimo
Joined: 02.16.2007

Oct 27 @ 5:38 PM ET
That fact that JB didn't foresee the global pandemic, economic recession and flat cap blows my mind.
Poor planning really.
We need to hire a real capologist.

- dbot


No one expected him to predict the pandemic, the criticism is that he signed a bunch of poopty players to bad contracts.

Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Oct 27 @ 5:38 PM ET
That fact that JB didn't foresee the global pandemic, economic recession and flat cap blows my mind.
Poor planning really.
We need to hire a real capologist.

- dbot

I knew COVID would end up being the ultimate Benning excuse.
Makita
Referee
Vancouver Canucks
Location: #theonlyrealfan, BC
Joined: 02.16.2007

Oct 27 @ 5:40 PM ET
Do think Mathews is overpaid?
- belcherbd

yes
CoolerHeads
Joined: 07.04.2015

Oct 27 @ 5:40 PM ET
I don't see QH or Petey, let alone the Canucks, wanting to sign long term deals in the middle of the flat cap era. I expect it will be two three year bridge deals in the $5.5 - $7M dollar range.

Petey has rights but QH doesn't (no arb or offer sheet rights) - team shouldn't grind him too much and cause bad blood but regardless the third year salary will be nice and high so they each have big qualifying offers due at the end.
belcherbd
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Nanaimo
Joined: 02.16.2007

Oct 27 @ 5:42 PM ET
yes
- Makita


Me too!
Makita
Referee
Vancouver Canucks
Location: #theonlyrealfan, BC
Joined: 02.16.2007

Oct 27 @ 5:43 PM ET
No one expected him to predict the pandemic, the criticism is that he signed a bunch of poopty players to bad contracts.
- belcherbd

good players good contracts...except Eriksson.


Edit...poop forgot the sarcasm winky face guy....
dbot
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Auckland -Burn it all down
Joined: 10.22.2008

Oct 27 @ 5:44 PM ET
No one expected him to predict the pandemic, the criticism is that he signed a bunch of poopty players to bad contracts.
- belcherbd


Signing players to terms where they are eventually bought out is common practice.

The pandemic has obviously impacted on this.
dbot
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Auckland -Burn it all down
Joined: 10.22.2008

Oct 27 @ 5:46 PM ET
I knew COVID would end up being the ultimate Benning excuse.
- Marwood


The ultimate?


belcherbd
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Nanaimo
Joined: 02.16.2007

Oct 27 @ 5:46 PM ET
Signing players to terms where they are eventually bought out is common practice.

The pandemic has obviously impacted on this.

- dbot


No, having to buy out a player is poor management. If anything covid has made it an acceptable in the short term.
belcherbd
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Nanaimo
Joined: 02.16.2007

Oct 27 @ 5:46 PM ET
good players good contracts...except Eriksson.


Edit...poop forgot the sarcasm winky face guy....

- Makita


I was worried for a minute there.
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Oct 27 @ 5:51 PM ET
Who do you guys have on your expansion n protection lists?
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Oct 27 @ 5:53 PM ET
You think Hoglander has a higher upside that Podz?
Bold.
I like it.
My gut disagrees, but i like it.

- dbot


I think both have similar upside, to be good middle 6 wingers who drive possession with a decent mix of speed/strength/skill.
dbot
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Auckland -Burn it all down
Joined: 10.22.2008

Oct 27 @ 5:57 PM ET
Who do you guys have on your expansion n protection lists?
- neem55


Protect:

Pettersson
Bo
Brock
J.T.M.
Virtanen
Gaudette
Motte


Schmidt
Myers
Juolevi

Demko

That leave Zack Mac, Rousell and Holtby as exposed.
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Oct 27 @ 5:59 PM ET
Protect:

Pettersson
Bo
Brock
J.T.M.
Virtanen
Gaudette
Motte


Schmidt
Myers
Juolevi

Demko

- dbot

I like, except id probably leave the giraffe exposed.
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Oct 27 @ 6:01 PM ET
Not in the slightest. I just find it funny that now that they are not Canucks, they are crappy players. Most people in here had them ranked based on importance of re-signing.
- Marwood

All ex Canucks are worthless scraps
Mungo
Vancouver Canucks
Location: VANCOUVER, BC
Joined: 03.10.2014

Oct 27 @ 6:06 PM ET
Protect:

Pettersson
Bo
Brock
J.T.M.
Virtanen
Gaudette
Motte


Schmidt
Myers
Juolevi

Demko

That leave Zack Mac, Rousell and Holtby as exposed.

- dbot


I think the Canucks will have an opportunity to trade for some better forwards and Defenseman than Gaudette, Motte and Juolevi. Teams with an abundance of depth would probably take anything rather than lose them for nothing.
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Oct 27 @ 6:14 PM ET
I think the Canucks will have an opportunity to trade for some better forwards and Defenseman than Gaudette, Motte and Juolevi. Teams with an abundance of depth would probably take anything rather than lose them for nothing.
- Mungo

Yes good point, we are in a great position to potentially steal better depth prior to the draft. Helps that Hughes and Rathbone are exempt
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Oct 27 @ 6:16 PM ET
The ultimate?



- dbot

You're right, "other GM's make bad signings" is the ultimate. I stand corrected.
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Oct 27 @ 6:26 PM ET
I knew COVID would end up being the ultimate Benning excuse.
- Marwood

Or was it his plan?????
dbot
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Auckland -Burn it all down
Joined: 10.22.2008

Oct 27 @ 6:28 PM ET
Yes good point, we are in a great position to potentially steal better depth prior to the draft. Helps that Hughes and Rathbone are exempt
- CanuckDon


For sure.
I see the logic in poaching a Dman from another club and exposing Myers.
I actually like Myers myself and think it'd be 50/50 if Seattle would take him.
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