I think you should be the one to do a little research. Not only is he considered one of the most defensively responsible forwards on the team by the coaching staff, but the stats back that up. Not to mention the fact that his PK metrics are fantastic especially when compared to some of his teammates.
- NorthNuck

Yes he is solid on the PK and provides some offence. I didn’t say he was a bad player

Motte isn't a 3rd liner but as 4th liners go, he's a great defensive player.
- NorthNuck

You're best players need to be able to beat the other teams best players. No 4th line is going to shut down another teams top line for 16 minutes a night. Maybe 1 out of 4 games they might keep them off the score sheet.

I wouldn't want Beagle's line to be on the ice for 16 minutes a night. I think he plays too much at 12 minutes a night.

Yeah really. You advocate Podz needs to play in the AHL first. He's coming over and will first get his start in the Canucks 3/4 lines.

But do you understand the flat cap realities? Canucks will have to replace UFA's like Pearson with ELC's. The Canucks top prospect is Podz.

Do the math and stop bongwater bathsalt guzzling. So as to understand, what is realistic is not leg humping because you don't like it.
- NuckUp

You're best players need to be able to beat the other teams best players. No 4th line is going to shut down another teams top line for 16 minutes a night. Maybe 1 out of 4 games they might keep them off the score sheet.

I wouldn't want Beagle's line to be on the ice for 16 minutes a night. I think he plays too much at 12 minutes a night.
- manvanfan

Motte gets outscored 2:1 at 5V5. How is that solid defence? He is always hemmed in his zone. Does he have sh!tty linemates? Sure, but he is also part of the problem. I do like him on the PK though and it’s possible he still has a bit of upside

Yes he is solid on the PK and provides some offence. I didn’t say he was a bad player
- CanuckDon

You know what's key to being a good PKer? Strong defensive play

You're best players need to be able to beat the other teams best players. No 4th line is going to shut down another teams top line for 16 minutes a night. Maybe 1 out of 4 games they might keep them off the score sheet.

I wouldn't want Beagle's line to be on the ice for 16 minutes a night. I think he plays too much at 12 minutes a night.
- manvanfan

This is all true but not about Motte nor the problems of the 3rd line & what options there are to help fix it.

You're best players need to be able to beat the other teams best players. No 4th line is going to shut down another teams top line for 16 minutes a night. Maybe 1 out of 4 games they might keep them off the score sheet.

I wouldn't want Beagle's line to be on the ice for 16 minutes a night. I think he plays too much at 12 minutes a night.
- manvanfan

I don't want Beagle to be on the ice for the Canucks at all, but we're stuck with him. Motte on the other hand was brought back for his quality play.

You know what's key to being a good PKer? Strong defensive play
- NorthNuck

He is a liability 5v5. PK it’s all about the hustle and Motte has that in spades

Motte gets outscored 2:1 at 5V5. How is that solid defence? He is always hemmed in his zone. Does he have sh!tty linemates? Sure, but he is also part of the problem. I do like him on the PK though and it’s possible he still has a bit of upside
- CanuckDon

Other than LE the rest of the bottom 6 are far more the real issue. Slow & devoid of offence causes more problems that is difficult to pin on Motte.

Sometimes, even from a casual, it must be pointed out.

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- Benny Blanco

Other than LE the rest of the bottom 6 are far more the real issue. Slow & devoid of offence causes more problems that is difficult to pin on Motte.
- Nighthawk

I’m not a Motte hater. He is by far my favourite 4th liner. Just pointing out that he can be a liability when he plays too much

Take away Gaudette’s insulated scoring & LE’s D it leaves Motte being great value. The rest are overpaid & cannot be gone soon enough. Beagle winning FO’s isn’t enough for him to be around.

Yeah really. You advocate Podz needs to play in the AHL first. He's coming over and will first get his start in the Canucks 3/4 lines.

But do you understand the flat cap realities? Canucks will have to replace UFA's like Pearson with ELC's. The Canucks top prospect is Podz.

Do the math and stop bongwater bathsalt guzzling. So as to understand, what is realistic is not leg humping because you don't like it.
- NuckUp

Most teams will have flat cap issues. Do you think Jimbo's dumb contracts may come into play here?

I’m not a Motte hater. He is by far my favourite 4th liner. Just pointing out that he can be a liability when he plays too much
- CanuckDon

Yes but again the options are few. I want Gaudette to be 3C but he has to improve a ton on his 2-way game. Til he does that too much falls on Bo.

Most teams will have flat cap issues. Do you think Jimbo's dumb contracts may come into play here?
- VanHockeyGuy

Of course they do but nobody foresaw covid coming nor the rise of Petey so soon. Buyouts became much more a topic & owners are not keen on eating money in these difficult times.

Of course they do but nobody foresaw covid coming nor the rise of Petey so soon. Buyouts became much more a topic & owners are not keen on eating money in these difficult times.
- Nighthawk

They were dumb contracts before Covid-19. Didn't JB want Glass?

The last 3rd line was a success on what level? Gaudette hardly played.
- Nighthawk

Well there are 4 teams that can boast the same scoring depth as Van last season. You want better defensively. Ok insert Sutter. Win a few less games because he scores at half the rate.

Ok. Bye Brandon and take Beagle with you
- CanuckDon

If multiple players refuse to go in to a bubble, can teams pick and choose which ones to MTA?

I’m not a Motte hater. He is by far my favourite 4th liner. Just pointing out that he can be a liability when he plays too much
- CanuckDon

Well said Don!!

Motte gets outscored 2:1 at 5V5. How is that solid defence? He is always hemmed in his zone. Does he have sh!tty linemates? Sure, but he is also part of the problem. I do like him on the PK though and it’s possible he still has a bit of upside
- CanuckDon

It should be 8 minutes a night plus 3 minutes of PK time. Not 11 minutes then PK time. Beagle has been just bad since he got to Van.

If Green could pick and choose his spots better for the 3rd and 4th lines.

This is awesome

https://twitter.com/jamma...tatus/1323720535486930945

It should be 8 minutes a night plus 3 minutes of PK time. Not 11 minutes then PK time. Beagle has been just bad since he got to Van.

If Green could pick and choose his spots better for the 3rd and 4th lines.
- manvanfan

Absolutely. And I think they are overused because Gaudette isn’t pulling his weight

This is awesome

https://twitter.com/jamma...tatus/1323720535486930945
- VanHockeyGuy

That’s mean

Motte gets outscored 2:1 at 5V5. How is that solid defence? He is always hemmed in his zone. Does he have sh!tty linemates? Sure, but he is also part of the problem. I do like him on the PK though and it’s possible he still has a bit of upside
- CanuckDon

How about Motte at Center between Rousell and ZacMac for a 4th line. Waive Beags and Sutter, to make extra cap room, for a D upgrade. Then play our top 2 prospect forwards in their place on a 18 roster with taxi squad.

Absolutely. And I think they are overused because Gaudette isn’t pulling his weight
- CanuckDon

Gaudette and Virtanen, If you filter out players that played 13 minutes or less per night. Gaudette and Virtanen are 1 and 2 in scoring.

5v5 they didn't dominate but they also made up for it with in secondary PP time.

They were on the ice for 10 more goals against 5v5 but they were also on the ice for 17 PP GF. That's still a plus 7 in scoring to the team. If anyone thinks Beagle and Motte would light up the PP if they got the same amount of time. You would be mistaken.

They are that secondary offence that more than half the league is looking for in the bottom 6.

It allows Canucks on nights that the first two lines in check that you can look to for scoring or if the first PP isn't going the second isn't laughable.