They played almost strictly zone the Bills first two drives and got absolutely torched.
- Stripes77

Alle(lite)n figured out zone.....

said post had absolutely not a damn single thing to do with russ wilson.
you know better.
- TheHank

So who had 4 turnovers against the Bills then on Sunday ? Cedric Wilson ?

I completely understand Turbo’s point.

I’ve also been highly critical of Allen’s play in years past and can also admit that he’s been a top 10 QB in the NFL this year.

I’m sure Seahawks fans are thinking today that they are happy to be 6-2 with that CFL caliber defence they have and can give Wilson the benefit of the doubt.

I’m sure if Allen had the performance Wilson had it would be met with skepticism. That’s what happens when you have yet to win a playoff game and your in year 3 and not a QB with a Super Bowl ring and a Marshawn Lynch one yard run away from having 2 rings.

Is it possible to agree with Sbroads that Allen is a top 10 QB in the NFL but also recognize that because Allen does not have a large sample size of greatness he isn’t afforded the same benefit of doubt ?

Like Jesus Lamar Jackson was the MVP of the entire league last year and how many people would rank him top 5, even a top 10 at this point ?

I think bother posters made valid points

They played almost strictly zone the Bills first two drives and got absolutely torched.
- Stripes77

According to @PFF, the Seahawks were in cover 0 for 11.8% of their snaps & cover 1 for 33.8% of their snaps vs BUF. That’s WAY too much man coverage for that secondary.

That’s nearly 46% of the defensive snaps in man coverage.

So who had 4 turnovers against the Bills then on Sunday ? Cedric Wilson ?

I completely understand Turbo’s point.

I’ve also been highly critical of Allen’s play in years past and can also admit that he’s been a top 10 QB in the NFL this year.

I’m sure Seahawks fans are thinking today that they are happy to be 6-2 with that CFL caliber defence they have and can give Wilson the benefit of the doubt.

I’m sure if Allen had the performance Wilson had it would be met with skepticism. That’s what happens when you have yet to win a playoff game and your in year 3 and not a QB with a Super Bowl ring and a Marshawn Lynch one yard run away from having 2 rings.

Is it possible to agree with Sbroads that Allen is a top 10 QB in the NFL but also recognize that because Allen does not have a large sample size of greatness he isn’t afforded the same benefit of doubt ?

Like Jesus Lamar Jackson was the MVP of the entire league last year and how many people would rank him top 5, even a top 10 at this point ?

I think bother posters made valid points
- Pegullaville

That’s not the point though

The point is you can’t simultaneously give the benefit of the doubt to guys because they’ve done it over “years” while then nitpicking “5 or 6 out of 9 games”.

If you need to do it for years to be judged either way, then what Allen did against Seattle and KC are both meaningless. Nothing he does against AZ will mean anything, because it’s years away from determining if he’s actually elite or not.

It’s a silly hill to die on

So who had 4 turnovers against the Bills then on Sunday ? Cedric Wilson ?

I completely understand Turbo’s point.

I’ve also been highly critical of Allen’s play in years past and can also admit that he’s been a top 10 QB in the NFL this year.

I’m sure Seahawks fans are thinking today that they are happy to be 6-2 with that CFL caliber defence they have and can give Wilson the benefit of the doubt.

I’m sure if Allen had the performance Wilson had it would be met with skepticism. That’s what happens when you have yet to win a playoff game and your in year 3 and not a QB with a Super Bowl ring and a Marshawn Lynch one yard run away from having 2 rings.

Is it possible to agree with Sbroads that Allen is a top 10 QB in the NFL but also recognize that because Allen does not have a large sample size of greatness he isn’t afforded the same benefit of doubt ?

Like Jesus Lamar Jackson was the MVP of the entire league last year and how many people would rank him top 5, even a top 10 at this point ?

I think bother posters made valid points
- Pegullaville

The one thing people who are Allen detractors or who won’t give him his due is he has steadily developed every single year. In fact if you look at his improvements every quarter of his last two seasons he has developed and improved.

Now I would be lying if I said I expected the stats he is putting up but I did expect at least a top 15 QB.

He is top 10 easily and close to, if not top 5 this season.

He has done the work every off season. I don’t see him reverting back, he might not be able to keep up this pace but he is a franchise QB.

The logic you are trying to apply is circular and makes absolutely 0 sense.

You keep saying his counterparts have been elite for multiple seasons or year over year great, so that’s why they are elite, correct?

Yet you keep pointing out “5 or 6 games out of 9” as if those 3 games he wasn’t great matter.

In reality, if your point is he needs to be elite for multiple seasons, to be considered in that category, and have his bad games not matter, then even if he was excellent 9 out of the 9 games, that shouldn’t change your stance.

So you should probably do one of two things

Take your big, fat, giant L like a man.

Or

Stop posting after every game about his few bad ones, and simply say nothing he does this season matters, at all, because in order to be judged, he needs to have multiple seasons of either good, bad, or elite play.

But since I know you won’t do the latter.....eat the L
- sbroads24

Half a season isn’t long enough to be considered elite

Neither is 12th out of 32

I’ll continue to repeat myself, bc it’s correct

just stop with that bullpoop trump narrative.
grow up.
- TheHank

Cry about it

We do.

It would be one thing to say, credit Daboll with Allen’s success, or flat out say it’s an aberration and he’s not that good and will get worse.

But he seems to want to make the same lazy take each week with no substance, not really say anything either way, while trying to make sure we’re not getting too excited over Allen every single Sunday/Monday since week 1.
- sbroads24

YOU brought up Allen to me
I didn’t say anything about him this week till you moved the goalposts in that direction

I know facts aren’t your strong suit,
but don’t say I’m bringing up Allen when it’s YOU

It's the same negative bs over & over
- jcragcrumple

Broads knows all about that with every one of his Sabres takes 😂😂😂

Half a season isn’t long enough to be considered elite

Neither is 12th out of 32

I’ll continue to repeat myself, bc it’s correct
- jdfitz77

Hes been in the league 3 years.

Hes been in the league 3 years.
- sbroads24

And not played “really good” until this year

How can you not understand that the sample size matters?

And not played “really good” until this year

How can you not understand that the sample size matters?
- jdfitz77

How can you not understand how severely flawed your point is?

Year 1 - below average passing, above average running

Year 2- average passing, elite running

Year 3- elite passing, elite running when he needs to. Top 3 in passing yards, total TD’s, top 10 in everything else.

His development has been linear. He’s elite now.

Eat...dat.....L

How can you not understand how severely flawed your point is?

Year 1 - below average passing, above average running

Year 2- average passing, elite running

Year 3- elite passing, elite running when he needs to. Top 3 in passing yards, total TD’s, top 10 in everything else.

His development has been linear. He’s elite now.

Eat...dat.....L
- sbroads24

Has not been very good for long enough to be considered elite
Sample size matters dude

He’s got 5 games of 300+ yards, not 25

Has not been very good for long enough to be considered elite
Sample size matters dude

He’s got 5 games of 300+ yards, not 25
- jdfitz77

It sincerely does not matter, at all.

His numbers say he’s elite. He’s elite.

This isn’t Drew Stafford scoring 30 goals in a contract year

This is a top 10 pick who’s steadily developed every game since he’s been drafted

Go back and tell me what his last 16 game numbers are. You know what, I will

Last 16 games for Allen

4,032 passing yards

29 passing TD’s

10 rushing TD’s

8 picks

4000 yards and almost 40 TD’s


****Elite****

Walk around in circles, walk around in circles
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oNdv70QHEkE

It sincerely does not matter, at all.

His numbers say he’s elite. He’s elite.

This isn’t Drew Stafford scoring 30 goals in a contract year

This is a top 10 pick who’s steadily developed every game since he’s been drafted

Go back and tell me what his last 16 game numbers are. You know what, I will

Last 16 games for Allen

4,032 passing yards

29 passing TD’s

10 rushing TD’s

8 picks

4000 yards and almost 40 TD’s


****Elite****
- sbroads24

Honest question as I have no dog in this fight.

Is Allen elite? Or is he having an elite season?

It sincerely does not matter, at all.

His numbers say he’s elite. He’s elite.

This isn’t Drew Stafford scoring 30 goals in a contract year

This is a top 10 pick who’s steadily developed every game since he’s been drafted

Go back and tell me what his last 16 game numbers are. You know what, I will

Last 16 games for Allen

4,032 passing yards

29 passing TD’s

10 rushing TD’s

8 picks

4000 yards and almost 40 TD’s


****Elite****
- sbroads24

No, it’s not
Half the league throws for 4,000yds now
Get a grip

No, it’s not
Half the league throws for 4,000yds now
Get a grip
- jdfitz77

11 QB’s had 4,000 yards

4 QB’s had more than 29 passing TD’s

1 QB had 10 rushing TD’s.....the league MVP.

He’s elite.

Sorry you’re wrong

Honest question as I have no dog in this fight.

Is Allen elite? Or is he having an elite season?
- Michael Pachla

👏👏👏
He’s gotta finish the season strong as well
AND
Do it again next year (at least)

He hasn’t even won a playoff game yet

11 QB’s had 4,000 yards

4 QB’s had more than 29 passing TD’s

1 QB had 10 rushing TD’s.....the league MVP.

He’s elite.

Sorry you’re wrong
- sbroads24

If u want me to stop talking about him,
Stop being the one to bring it up dummy

He’s had a very good half a season
Your trump math doesn’t hold up

👏👏👏
He’s gotta finish the season strong as well
AND
Do it again next year (at least)

He hasn’t even won a playoff game yet
- jdfitz77

Now that we have your timeline, please stfu about the Kansas City game, or the Jets game, or any individual game, because expecting someone to have 32 elite games in a row is hilariously unrealistic

Half a season isn’t long enough to be considered elite

Neither is 12th out of 32

I’ll continue to repeat myself, bc it’s correct
- jdfitz77

I'm new around here, Seems like you know alot about hockey and football.

What bothers you the most about Allen? and do you feel like a non throwing arm injury could have affected a couple of the games 5-8?

Now that we have your timeline, please stfu about the Kansas City game, or the Jets game, or any individual game, because expecting someone to have 32 elite games in a row is hilariously unrealistic
- sbroads24

He has to be elite for 2 seasons, to prove he's been elite the entire time....wonder how long it took to realize Eichel is elite?

Now that we have your timeline, please stfu about the Kansas City game, or the Jets game, or any individual game, because expecting someone to have 32 elite games in a row is hilariously unrealistic
- sbroads24

I never said that anyone had to
Putting words in my mouth doesn’t increase the
ONLY 6 games Allen has thrown for 300yds

U can move the goalposts all you want,
but IMO, Allen has to be very good for a longer duration of time to be considered “elite”

And 12th out of 32 isn’t “elite” either
Saying that is laughable

He has to be elite for 2 seasons, to prove he's been elite the entire time....wonder how long it took to realize Eichel is elite?
- Lunaion

He’s not obviously, since he hasn’t played a full season as an elite player.

So Eichel could possibly be elite if he’s elite in 2022 and 2023. (2021 will be a short season so, you know, sample size)