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granpa
Joined: 07.03.2015

Nov 14 @ 3:16 PM ET
If your 1C isn't putting up a point per game clip, then someone else has to be. Right now, I'm not sure there is a player in the system capable of that. Stutzle is probably the closest, and he may end up being a centre. Who knows.

While its' important to have a well-rounded roster, it's also important to have guys that can score, seemingly, at will. I'm not sure why you wouldn't want to address an obvious glaring hole in the roster and put your eggs in Brown, Norris, Pinto, etc basket. Sens are at the start of a rebuild. The purpose of that is develop players at key positions to be an elite team. If the Sens were a competitive team, they could try to duct tape that position, but that isn't the case.

- Gord_Wilson_2.0


I agree but nobody knows which way most of their prospects are trending because they're still in the minors. I believe the Sens should've kept the better prospects in Ottawa last year. Whatever they needed to work on could have been done at the NHL level (ex: pace, work ethic, intensity level, etc). Had they done that, they would have a much better idea as to where these players are going to be in a few years. I think the Sens wasted a year of their rebuild program especially when the management and owner expect a contender or a cup within 4 years.
Barrykerr1
Joined: 08.06.2014

Nov 14 @ 8:54 PM ET
I agree but nobody knows which way most of their prospects are trending because they're still in the minors. I believe the Sens should've kept the better prospects in Ottawa last year. Whatever they needed to work on could have been done at the NHL level (ex: pace, work ethic, intensity level, etc). Had they done that, they would have a much better idea as to where these players are going to be in a few years. I think the Sens wasted a year of their rebuild program especially when the management and owner expect a contender or a cup within 4 years.
- granpa


I think the Senators got gun shy after the decision to rush Curtis Lazar. He looked great as the captain of Team Canada at the world junior championship. Who wouldn’t playing with Conner McDavid as a line mate. Dorion is not going to make that mistake again. There is no need to rush prospects when the team is in a rebuilding mode.

I wonder what Lazar’s career would have been if he had spent a year in the AHL playing against men before jumping directly from junior to the NHL?
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Nov 15 @ 5:28 AM ET
Roby Järventie off to very nice Liiga start with 6 goals and 6 assists in 14 games.

Sens fans won't want to miss a game at the world juniors. Lots of futures to follow.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Nov 15 @ 8:02 AM ET
I agree but nobody knows which way most of their prospects are trending because they're still in the minors. I believe the Sens should've kept the better prospects in Ottawa last year. Whatever they needed to work on could have been done at the NHL level (ex: pace, work ethic, intensity level, etc). Had they done that, they would have a much better idea as to where these players are going to be in a few years. I think the Sens wasted a year of their rebuild program especially when the management and owner expect a contender or a cup within 4 years.
- granpa


A+
Gord_Wilson_2.0
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 10.11.2011

Nov 15 @ 10:17 AM ET
I agree but nobody knows which way most of their prospects are trending because they're still in the minors. I believe the Sens should've kept the better prospects in Ottawa last year. Whatever they needed to work on could have been done at the NHL level (ex: pace, work ethic, intensity level, etc). Had they done that, they would have a much better idea as to where these players are going to be in a few years. I think the Sens wasted a year of their rebuild program especially when the management and owner expect a contender or a cup within 4 years.
- granpa

I agree. There is even speculation those players could be held in the minors this year as well. Signings of Galchenyuk, bringing in Watson and Gudbransson cause a bit of an unnecessary log jam. If players are good enough, they should be in the NHL.

I get you don't want to rush prospects, but at a certain point, you have to see what they can do at this level.
spazzbot
Location: Maple Zombie
Joined: 02.14.2013

Nov 15 @ 10:34 AM ET
I agree. There is even speculation those players could be held in the minors this year as well. Signings of Galchenyuk, bringing in Watson and Gudbransson cause a bit of an unnecessary log jam. If players are good enough, they should be in the NHL.

I get you don't want to rush prospects, but at a certain point, you have to see what they can do at this level.

- Gord_Wilson_2.0


I do believe last year they would have had more prospects showcased in the last month but covid19 halted that. A few players will have to be here for sure next season such as logan brown to prove what they can do or likely be moved along. All in all the Sens have lost about 1 year of progression due to covid. Very unfortunate but every team is in the same position. Perhaps though this is harder on the Sens due to the fact they are very much relying on drafting and developing to build their team. So in agreement they will have to start forcing some prospects quicker into the NHL system and likely in turn be forced to make quicker decisions on them. Or continue the path they have set and be about 2 years behind schedule.
granpa
Joined: 07.03.2015

Nov 15 @ 11:13 AM ET
I agree. There is even speculation those players could be held in the minors this year as well. Signings of Galchenyuk, bringing in Watson and Gudbransson cause a bit of an unnecessary log jam. If players are good enough, they should be in the NHL.

I get you don't want to rush prospects, but at a certain point, you have to see what they can do at this level.

- Gord_Wilson_2.0


3 months ago I was sure that they would load up on prospects for the new season because sooner or later they have to see what they've got. But with all the signings lately I would not be surprised if some players are held back.
Gord_Wilson_2.0
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 10.11.2011

Nov 15 @ 12:33 PM ET
3 months ago I was sure that they would load up on prospects for the new season because sooner or later they have to see what they've got. But with all the signings lately I would not be surprised if some players are held back.
- granpa

Based on the depth chart to date on cap friendly, assuming Stutzle makes the lineup, there are only really two spots up for grabs amongst forwards, so Brown, Norris, Formenton, and Batherson are the likely guys to fill those spots. Don't forget, guys like Chalpik, Balcers, and Abramov (maybe even a wild card in Sokolv) could very well make noise.

On defence, there is another log jam and Brannstrom could very well not be starting the season in the NHL.

I get injuries will come into play and likely some healthy scratches, but considering the amount of prospect pumping everyone has done for the Sens, the lack of confidence amongst the young players to allow them to have a legitimate shot at making the roster is a little puzzling. The prospects in question are not 19 years old anymore either.

At some point, you have to slot them in and then it's on the player to prove if they belong or not. The roster is not deep. So if a young player is on the roster, they have a very good opportunity to showcase they can be a crucial NHL player.
granpa
Joined: 07.03.2015

Nov 15 @ 12:46 PM ET
Based on the depth chart to date on cap friendly, assuming Stutzle makes the lineup, there are only really two spots up for grabs amongst forwards, so Brown, Norris, Formenton, and Batherson are the likely guys to fill those spots. Don't forget, guys like Chalpik, Balcers, and Abramov (maybe even a wild card in Sokolv) could very well make noise.

On defence, there is another log jam and Brannstrom could very well not be starting the season in the NHL.

I get injuries will come into play and likely some healthy scratches, but considering the amount of prospect pumping everyone has done for the Sens, the lack of confidence amongst the young players to allow them to have a legitimate shot at making the roster is a little puzzling. The prospects in question are not 19 years old anymore either.

At some point, you have to slot them in and then it's on the player to prove if they belong or not. The roster is not deep. So if a young player is on the roster, they have a very good opportunity to showcase they can be a crucial NHL player.

- Gord_Wilson_2.0


Are we looking at a potential $hit storm. By holding back these prospects what kind of message are they sending to all the college players that are not signed.
Gord_Wilson_2.0
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 10.11.2011

Nov 15 @ 2:22 PM ET
Are we looking at a potential $hit storm. By holding back these prospects what kind of message are they sending to all the college players that are not signed.
- granpa

I don't think there will be a poop storm just yet and it's more likely that college players will finish their college careers rather than opt out early anyways.

The issue is potentially overvaluing your prospects which has happened before. It would suck to hold onto a Logan Brown (just for example) for so long just to label him a bust rather than use him as a trade piece years prior when his stock was ok.

However, as long as a few guys get a shot this year and the the remaining can get in the year after, it can be ok. The biggest issue holding back guys is not fully knowing what you have for the NHL roster. Very rarely does a team have immediate success with rookies and 2nd year players.
Michael Stuart
Tampa Bay Lightning
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 09.09.2020

Nov 15 @ 5:01 PM ET
Why Mike we don t have the 2D logo already ?
- Crosside


I don't control the images haha
ktownfan
Joined: 12.07.2014

Nov 15 @ 10:35 PM ET
Roby Järventie off to very nice Liiga start with 6 goals and 6 assists in 14 games.

Sens fans won't want to miss a game at the world juniors. Lots of futures to follow.

- spatso


Any news on any of the other prospects?
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Nov 16 @ 9:00 AM ET
Any news on any of the other prospects?
- ktownfan


Ryan Kennedy of Hockey News ranked the top 100 NHL prospects that will play in the upcoming NCAA season.

3. Jake Sanderson
5. Shane Pinto
14. Jacob Bernard Docker
45. Jonny Tychonnick
63. Tyler Kleven

All the Sens prospects will play at North Dakota except for Tychonnick. He played at North Dakota before transferring out. Are we allowed to say North Dakota Fighting Sens. It would be more politically correct than Sioux.
Gord_Wilson_2.0
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 10.11.2011

Nov 16 @ 10:11 AM ET
Ryan Kennedy of Hockey News ranked the top 100 NHL prospects that will play in the upcoming NCAA season.

3. Jake Sanderson
5. Shane Pinto
14. Jacob Bernard Docker
45. Jonny Tychonnick
63. Tyler Kleven

All the Sens prospects will play at North Dakota except for Tychonnick. He played at North Dakota before transferring out. Are we allowed to say North Dakota Fighting Sens. It would be more politically correct than Sioux.

- spatso

It will be incredibly interesting to see if going big on prospects at one NCAA institution will work. I've always found the NCAA route for prospects a mixed bag. Maybe chemistry carries over to the pros. My biggest issue with NCAA prospects is that they sometimes have the longest route to the pros as a good chunk of them decide to finish their NCAA careers.
way i c it
Ottawa Senators
Location: ottawa, ON
Joined: 11.09.2020

Nov 16 @ 10:22 AM ET
I don't think there will be a poop storm just yet and it's more likely that college players will finish their college careers rather than opt out early anyways.

The issue is potentially overvaluing your prospects which has happened before. It would suck to hold onto a Logan Brown (just for example) for so long just to label him a bust rather than use him as a trade piece years prior when his stock was ok.

However, as long as a few guys get a shot this year and the the remaining can get in the year after, it can be ok. The biggest issue holding back guys is not fully knowing what you have for the NHL roster. Very rarely does a team have immediate success with rookies and 2nd year players.

- Gord_Wilson_2.0


Among Dorion's new Fs additions only Dadonov is sure of a spot, the rest are marginal NHLers. Shaw, Hailey, Galcheniuck, Watson were all signed as insurance. The prospects in our system are better, but stuff happens such as injuries, bad camp, personal leave etc. The same applies on D except maybe for Gudbranson, Brown and Zub are insurance signings.
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