Wow, still reading far more then I'm putting out there.
I never said anything about Elite collectivism.
When I use the word elite it isn't the rich, it's the super rich that I'm talking about.
The disparity is inheritantly evil, some of the super rich are very bad people.
We live in a world of corporationism where the welfare of the plebiscite is a secondary concern to profit, this has resulted in slave labor sweat shops overseas, we don't see our care about these people because of the profits it creates within our stock portfolio.
I'm a business owner, capitalist land owner with rental properties, I'm either lower middle class or upper lower class. I am not advocating for a free ride, I do however recognize the hypocrisy of our so called free country that is propped up by slave labor and exploiting peoples overseas. If you can't see and recognize it you are by definition, one of the sheep.
- Pres.cup

So how do you feel about Bill Gates? He's pretty (frank)ing rich.

I personally feel that he does quite a bit of work trying to help the disadvantaged. However many others I speak with think he's all about making money and control.

Human nature and fears and biases lol...remember in a world of 7.8 billion people 75% or more across the globe still believe in false deities and 'higher' forms of power. It's not about scaling back theories it's about getting people to look at things realistically and from both sides. Which is almost systematically impossible at this point. Lots of division.
- LordHumungous

So what you're saying is trust science?

Seems odd coming from a climate denier.

So what you're saying is trust science?

Seems odd coming from a climate denier.
- golfingsince

oh climate change is real...just not in the way you think it is...

Wow, still reading far more then I'm putting out there.
I never said anything about Elite collectivism.
When I use the word elite it isn't the rich, it's the super rich that I'm talking about.
The disparity is inheritantly evil, some of the super rich are very bad people.
We live in a world of corporationism where the welfare of the plebiscite is a secondary concern to profit, this has resulted in slave labor sweat shops overseas, we don't see our care about these people because of the profits it creates within our stock portfolio.
I'm a business owner, capitalist land owner with rental properties, I'm either lower middle class or upper lower class. I am not advocating for a free ride, I do however recognize the hypocrisy of our so called free country that is propped up by slave labor and exploiting peoples overseas. If you can't see and recognize it you are by definition, one of the sheep.
- Pres.cup

what exactly are you advocating?

you say that you are worried about a "great reset," but are saying that the system is broken and needs to be re-done. isn't that some sort of grand reset as well?

i really don't understand your point other than the "system," is broken and favours the rich/powerful. well, that's a great insight.

if you are bucking against the system on a large scale, can you not see that the people protesting in the us are doing the same thing on a smaller scale? they just don't see or care about the larger machinations because they are focusing on the micro day-to-day affect it has on their lives. the system might be at fault but it's the cops who are enforcing it on a day to day basis.

yesterday (or previously) you said that people get distracted into fighting amongst each other so they miss who is really to blame... the elites/system. that's just another way of saying, "they don't have the same opinion as me as to who is to blame so they are wrong." where's the open-mindedness?

and with respect to your larger point, what exactly are you advocating? some worldwide insurrection against the system? whatever that means.

So how do you feel about Bill Gates? He's pretty (frank)ing rich.

I personally feel that he does quite a bit of work trying to help the disadvantaged. However many others I speak with think he's all about making money and control.
- golfingsince

he's hinted around it before. he's one of those that believes that the gates foundation is up to no-good vis-a-vis immunization.

any doubt why measles outbreaks happen out here (north america)?

oh climate change is real...just not in the way you think it is...
- LordHumungous

I can get my head around the facts that there are many aspects to it, some of us can't.

oh climate change is real...just not in the way you think it is...
- LordHumungous

when you say "you," you're actually saying climate scientists.

yeah, yeah, they're all being "funded" by climate change.

but for smart guys who are in it for the money (according to you,) wouldn't more take that sweet oil money and tell the truth? if 98% of the climate scientists are in it for the money, why don't they just make more money by telling "your truth?"

I can get my head around the facts that there are many aspects to it, some of us can't.
- golfingsince

Many aspects yes...the biggest being one of the biggest tax scams/cash grab in history. Look at it from decade to decade since alot of the scamming started:

1960s - Anit OIl - 'gone' in ten years the promises were.
1970's - ice age in 10 years.
1980's - acid rain will destroy all crops in ten years.
1990's - ozone layer will be destroyed in 10 years.
2000's - ice caps will be gone in ten years.
2010 - 'global warming' lol which was such an outright lie and they knew it so it was changed to 'climate change'. None happened.

Now since people are calling out the climate change hoax there will be a new one soon...probably 'drought' after 2023 or something Biden-esque lol

See the pattern? I'm not saying climate change isn't real actually it's very real which has alot to do with NATURAL earth processes and the planets in the solar system. This has been proven time again that it's a cycle and not a result of man made intervention. If people would actually go back and research it it's all there...instead of being fed the govt' monikers.

Carbon 'taxes', profiteering...the climate change 'engine' produces something like 440 trillion-500 trillion dollars per year but I guess hey...why get rid of that right? lol

when you say "you," you're actually saying climate scientists.

yeah, yeah, they're all being "funded" by climate change.

but for smart guys who are in it for the money (according to you,) wouldn't more take that sweet oil money and tell the truth? if 98% of the climate scientists are in it for the money, why don't they just make more money by telling "your truth?"
- RealityChecker

There's little doubt that earth has gone through many climate changes before. The problem is, you can't hang you're entire theory on that. There is always a reason why it changes, and in this case there isn't a singular event.

Since there is more an more scientific evidence every week that points towards human evolution as being a root contributor at the least, you have to figure it's at least a solid part of the equation. Also, as we have industrialized the world the pace has accelerated.

when you say "you," you're actually saying climate scientists.

yeah, yeah, they're all being "funded" by climate change.

but for smart guys who are in it for the money (according to you,) wouldn't more take that sweet oil money and tell the truth? if 98% of the climate scientists are in it for the money, why don't they just make more money by telling "your truth?"
- RealityChecker

You're obviously one of the sharper guys on here RC. I'm sure even you can see deep down there is some funky sh!t going on.

There's little doubt that earth has gone through many climate changes before. The problem is, you can't hang you're entire theory on that. There is always a reason why it changes, and in this case there isn't a singular event.

Since there is more an more scientific evidence every week that points towards human evolution as being a root contributor at the least, you have to figure it's at least a solid part of the equation. Also, as we have industrialized the world the pace has accelerated.
- golfingsince

Humans and industry do play a small role but it's insignificant to change the climate the way it's being sold. Even as far back as the industrial revolution. The last multiple major volcanic eruptions have spewed more carbon into the atmosphere than a combined 100-150 + years of industry.

Many aspects yes...the biggest being one of the biggest tax scams/cash grab in history. Look at it from decade to decade since alot of the scamming started:

1960s - Anit OIl - 'gone' in ten years the promises were.
1970's - ice age in 10 years.
1980's - acid rain will destroy all crops in ten years.
1990's - ozone layer will be destroyed in 10 years.
2000's - ice caps will be gone in ten years.
2010 - 'global warming' lol which was such an outright lie and they knew it so it was changed to 'climate change'. None happened.

Now since people are calling out the climate change hoax there will be a new one soon...probably 'drought' after 2023 or something Biden-esque lol

See the pattern? I'm not saying climate change isn't real actually it's very real which has alot to do with NATURAL earth processes and the planets in the solar system. This has been proven time again that it's a cycle and not a result of man made intervention. If people would actually go back and research it it's all there...instead of being fed the govt' monikers.

Carbon 'taxes', profiteering...the climate change 'engine' produces something like 440 trillion-500 trillion dollars per year but I guess hey...why get rid of that right? lol








- LordHumungous

I addressed some of this before so I won't cover it again.

I can address your decade statements a bit.

-they found new sources of oil including oil sands, offshore drilling.

-I know nothing about the ice age claims

-Acid rain was dealt with, see Mulroney/Bush. I actually witnessed it as it happened in Ontario when I was a kid. You could literally look at the trees and see it's effects vs trees elsewhere.

-We took similar action with the ozone, it seems to be recovering.

-No one said 10 years for the ice caps but they're still shrinking. Check out the columbia icefields for a similar occurence.

-climate change was coined because idiots couldn't realize that setting a record low for a day or week meant little when you're average temperature for the year was up a degree over 5 years.


As for the taxes, blame yourself. If you want to keep supporting a style of government that prioritizes taxing people vs corporations that's your business.

Humans and industry do play a small role but it's insignificant to change the climate the way it's being sold. Even as far back as the industrial revolution. The last multiple major volcanic eruptions have spewed more carbon into the atmosphere than a combined 100-150 + years of industry.
- LordHumungous

The science i'm reading has volcanic activity at roughly 2% of humans.

Even if the correction brought the total up 20 times, it would be less than half. I'd suggest you find some data to support your claim.

Whatever you say bud...whatever you say.

Human Nature

You're obviously one of the sharper guys on here RC. I'm sure even you can see deep down there is some funky sh!t going on.
- LordHumungous

here's the issue. the peer reviewed studies say one thing and your youtube videos say another.

i'll go with studies that i can read and see what other scientists in that field say about it.

i'll tell you one thing though: when 98% of experts agree on something, that means there's a lot of truth there.

you can shoot the messenger by saying that they're all in it for the money but, you and i both know that the argument rings hollow.

anyway, here's some things for you to ponder:
https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/


https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

Humans and industry do play a small role but it's insignificant to change the climate the way it's being sold. Even as far back as the industrial revolution. The last multiple major volcanic eruptions have spewed more carbon into the atmosphere than a combined 100-150 + years of industry.
- LordHumungous

Volcanoes can impact climate change. During major explosive eruptions huge amounts of volcanic gas, aerosol droplets, and ash are injected into the stratosphere. Injected ash falls rapidly from the stratosphere -- most of it is removed within several days to weeks -- and has little impact on climate change. But volcanic gases like sulfur dioxide can cause global cooling, while volcanic carbon dioxide, a greenhouse gas, has the potential to promote global warming.

Do the Earth's volcanoes emit more CO2 than human activities? No.
Carbon dioxide (CO2) is a greenhouse gas and is the primary gas blamed for climate change. While sulfur dioxide released in contemporary volcanic eruptions has occasionally caused detectable global cooling of the lower atmosphere, the carbon dioxide released in contemporary volcanic eruptions has never caused detectable global warming of the atmosphere. In 2010, human activities were responsible for a projected 35 billion metric tons (gigatons) of CO2 emissions. All studies to date of global volcanic carbon dioxide emissions indicate that present-day subaerial and submarine volcanoes release less than a percent of the carbon dioxide released currently by human activities. While it has been proposed that intense volcanic release of carbon dioxide in the deep geologic past did cause global warming, and possibly some mass extinctions, this is a topic of scientific debate at present.
https://www.usgs.gov/natu...g%20of%20the%20atmosphere.

Whatever you say bud...whatever you say.

Human Nature
- LordHumungous

To me that reads as I'll just stick my head back in the sand (oil sand) and refuse to acknowledge the science.

- RealityChecker

Just can't accept 'reality' hey Reality?

https://www.forbes.com/si...-century/?sh=8125a5176d3c

You can no more convince me than I can convince you lol but it's fun.

To me that reads as I'll just stick my head back in the sand (oil sand) and refuse to acknowledge the science.
- golfingsince

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKmz7OGcyzU

Yeah...science sucks lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKmz7OGcyzU

Yeah...science sucks lol
- LordHumungous

Nothing like having a B.A.A. in radio and television to dispute science. You keep telling people "they're smarter than that". Maybe you should heed your own advice and look into things without your bias.


For every scientific climate denier there are 100 that actually prove it.

Nothing like having a B.A.A. in radio and television to dispute science. You keep telling people "they're smarter than that". Maybe you should heed your own advice and look into things without your bias.


For every scientific climate denier there are 100 that actually prove it.
- golfingsince

lol actually it's the reverse but all good man. Best to you anyways.

lol actually it's the reverse but all good man. Best to you anyways.
- LordHumungous

https://www.google.com/se...&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Just can't accept 'reality' hey Reality?

https://www.forbes.com/si...-century/?sh=8125a5176d3c

You can no more convince me than I can convince you lol but it's fun.
- LordHumungous

you just cited an editorial that gives opinion without any citations to facts or studies.

opinion to support your opinion.

LH just doing LH things. lol. you be you champ.