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Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hart-Land, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Nov 24 @ 2:01 PM ET
Wasnt Mike Richter also a free agent at the time?

Just so odd a GM who won 2 cups on the strength of goaltending didn't find it that important. That is what he gets for listening to dirty Russians

- login


I think he was but didn't think he would leave NYR. I remember it being down to Cujo and Beezer. I was shocked when we signed beezer and it ended up costing us.

No idea why we didn't prioritize goaltending, but it looks like we've finally rectified that.
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Nov 24 @ 3:24 PM ET
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corduroy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: “How many times is she gonna ask this f'n question?”, NT
Joined: 12.09.2006

Nov 24 @ 5:37 PM ET
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- mayorofangrytown


The captain's birthday got you down?
Hesh_
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.29.2013

Nov 24 @ 5:51 PM ET
I think he was but didn't think he would leave NYR. I remember it being down to Cujo and Beezer. I was shocked when we signed beezer and it ended up costing us.

No idea why we didn't prioritize goaltending, but it looks like we've finally rectified that.

- Hextall271


For some reason I thought another name was out there, and Beezer was a dark horse 3rd, but most of us thought/hoped Cujo would be the guy. I know Khabibulkn was fighting with the Coyotes at the time over money and perhaps there were rumblings of a trade. Maybe it was even Richter because he was from the area, but I don’t think that’s who I was thinking of. I dunno for SOME reason the mid/late 90s and early 00s are a haze for me.

No idea why...
Angus4444
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.03.2018

Nov 24 @ 6:27 PM ET
For some reason I thought another name was out there, and Beezer was a dark horse 3rd, but most of us thought/hoped Cujo would be the guy. I know Khabibulkn was fighting with the Coyotes at the time over money and perhaps there were rumblings of a trade. Maybe it was even Richter because he was from the area, but I don’t think that’s who I was thinking of. I dunno for SOME reason the mid/late 90s and early 00s are a haze for me.

No idea why...

- Hesh_

That’s also my thinking. I thought Ed Belefour . I think he might have been in Chicago
Big_E_88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wilmington, DE
Joined: 01.17.2014

Nov 24 @ 6:40 PM ET
Could be wrong, but I seem to remember rumors of the Flyers being interested in Mika Kiprusoff during the 00's before he became a total stud for the Flames. Not sure if this was at the same time as the CuJo/Beezer situation. I feel like the Kiprusoff thing was a little later in the decade, and it was a trade rumor not a FA signing.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Nov 24 @ 7:18 PM ET
For some reason I thought another name was out there, and Beezer was a dark horse 3rd, but most of us thought/hoped Cujo would be the guy. I know Khabibulkn was fighting with the Coyotes at the time over money and perhaps there were rumblings of a trade. Maybe it was even Richter because he was from the area, but I don’t think that’s who I was thinking of. I dunno for SOME reason the mid/late 90s and early 00s are a haze for me.

No idea why...

- Hesh_


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meduser
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: BC
Joined: 06.23.2012

Nov 24 @ 7:37 PM ET

Today @ 12:09 PM ET
When the Flyers signed John Vanbiesbrouck wasn’t there another free agent goalie everybody wished the team had signed? For some reason I think it was Ed Belefour.
Bill or anyone else remember. ?

Thought it was Richter and Joseph, and the stretch was Beezer.

Still shocked they didn't bring Richter home.
Bendecko
Location: Cave Putorium
Joined: 02.29.2020

Nov 24 @ 9:44 PM ET
The captain's birthday got you down?
- corduroy

Still sickorona from the last super-spreader rally he attended.
jmdodgeser4
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.26.2009

Nov 25 @ 7:20 AM ET
Still sickorona from the last super-spreader rally he attended.
- Bendecko


What city is on fire now ?
Bendecko
Location: Cave Putorium
Joined: 02.29.2020

Nov 25 @ 8:22 AM ET
What city is on fire now ?
- jmdodgeser4

yes
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Nov 25 @ 8:34 AM ET
Thought it was Richter and Joseph, and the stretch was Beezer.

Still shocked they didn't bring Richter home.

- meduser


Richter's first choice was to remain a Ranger.
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Nov 25 @ 9:50 AM ET
Gagne is one of my favorite all-time hockey players. IMO, he belongs in the team HOF and should have retired a Flyer.

Cap dumped for Matt Walker after all he had done for the team was bad. Then that whole Dan Cleary fiasco after his 2nd stint was even more disrespectful.

Was so happy to see him get the chance to raise the Cup, even if it wasn't for the Flyers. He had a wonderful career.

- Tomahawk


Business is business. Homer, by his own admission, should have been a bit more upfront with Gagne about the fact that cap issues might force a trade that offseason (so it wasn't taken so personally when the ask came to waive his no-movement clause).

But the worse part from a Flyers standpoint is that they had a one-for-one offer from Boston that would have sent Tim Thomas here and Gagne to the Bruins. The Flyers couldn't take it because of their salary cap situation.

Also Gagne was still refusing to waive at that time. Later, he said he would waive ONLY for Tampa, which made it hard to get any value in return. An injured Walker turned out to be an especially bad return.

Thomas, of course, won the Cup, the Vezina and the Conn Smythe in 2010-11.
Angus4444
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.03.2018

Nov 25 @ 10:11 AM ET
Business is business. Homer, by his own admission, should have been a bit more upfront with Gagne about the fact that cap issues might force a trade that offseason (so it wasn't taken so personally when the ask came to waive his no-movement clause).

But the worse part from a Flyers standpoint is that they had a one-for-one offer from Boston that would have sent Tim Thomas here and Gagne to the Bruins. The Flyers couldn't take it because of their salary cap situation.

Also Gagne was still refusing to waive at that time. Later, he said he would waive ONLY for Tampa, which made it hard to get any value in return. An injured Walker turned out to be an especially bad return.

Thomas, of course, won the Cup, the Vezina and the Conn Smythe in 2010-11.

- bmeltzer

Wow, didn’t know about the whole Boston thing. Why was Boston willing to trade Thomas Bill ?
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Nov 25 @ 10:38 AM ET
Wow, didn’t know about the whole Boston thing. Why was Boston willing to trade Thomas Bill ?
- Angus4444


They had the much younger Rask, who took over the majority of the starting duties in 2009-10, and Thomas's contract had term left along with a cap hit similar to Gagne's. So they proposed a money-for-money contract swap of Gagne for Thomas but Philly couldn't do it (and Gagne wasn't yet willing to waive his NMC). There is more detail about this in Jay Greenberg's Flyers at 50 book.

As it turned out, Thomas reassumed the No. 1 role in 2010-11, winning the Vezina, the Conn Smythe and the Cup.

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